RE: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium,was RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
Thanks Loris, that was the information I was looking for.
I tend to prefer the more red tones, but I was attracted to the
independence of humidity that the ziatype claims, since I live in such a
dry climate and my humidification method has been anything but consistent.
Looks like I'll be building a better humidifying box in the near
On Fri, December 1, 2006 12:36 am, Loris Medici wrote:
> Exposing the paper after drying it at least 30 mins in a relatively dry
> environment (not more than 55%) will give warm (brown / red-brown)
> prints. Sodium tungstate warms the print quite differently; shadows
> remain relatively cool brown and midtones->highlights get a golden
> (yellowish) tint - good for some images, not so good for others.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Camden Hardy [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: 30 Kasım 2006 Perşembe 17:21
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> Subject: Re: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New" Paper for
> Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
> Have you tried adding sodium tungstate to the ziatype emulsion to get
> warmer tones?
> If so, how does the color compare to that of the Ware/Malde POP process?
> Camden Hardy
> On Wed, November 29, 2006 10:37 pm, Sandy King wrote:
>> Hi Loris,
>> I always control temperature at around 70F, and
>> within certain limits I can also control RH.
>> However, for various reasons it is much easier to
>> control RH in the 50-60% range in my working room
>> than at the extremes.
>> At 55% RH I really like the results I get with
>> the Ware/Malde POP palladium process. Dmax is
>> excellent and the color is a nice warm black. In
>> some ways nicer than with DOP palladium. But if
>> the RH changes by as much as 5% there will be a
>> chance in image color, warmer going down, more
>> neutral going up. But this is ok, since I have
>> excellent control of RH in the 50-60% range.
>> However, the color shift with RH change is one of
>> the great attractions of the Ware/Malde method.
>> And with dichromate contrast control, which Mike
>> chose not to exploit, you can get contrast
>> control *and* the color you want. And without the
>> cessium salt needed with Ziatype.
>> However, if the type of image one likes is very
>> neutral black, Ziatype with the lithium salt by
>> itself gives great results. I would find it very
>> difficult to make this color with Ware/Malde
>> because a RH of 80% or so would be almost
>> impossible to obtain in my working environment.
>> At 8:16 PM +0200 11/29/06, Loris Medici wrote:
>>>I see. Agree with you on the fact that making identical looking prints
>>>with POP version (at least Ziatype) can be hard... But, that shouldn't
>>>hard to you? I mean you have a lightsource with integrator, you can
>>>humidity and temperature in your working area, you're accustomed to be
>>>consistent in coating + drying the paper (in fact, you're a master
>>>printer!). Do you still find hard to get consistent / close results?
>>>About compression in the shadows: I cheat, I artificially increase
>>>contrast in the shadows. When you have problems - even if you have a
>>>perfect calibration - some extra contrast boost in the shadows (it
>>>should look almost weird on your screen) will do good in that
>>>aspect... The more texture
>>>you have in the shadows, the less you have this "looks dull" problem.
>>>key images with delicate tonal transitions make another problem - I
>>>Pt/Pd (or any other process which results a matte print) is not the
>>>choice for this type of imagery... Carbon is, in my understanding.
>>>From: Sandy King [mailto:email@example.com]
>>>Sent: 29 Kasm 2006 Çars¸amba 18:16
>>>Subject: RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
>>>What I meant by hard to beat is the consistency of DOP, i.e. the
>>>capability of making multiple prints, all with the same density and
>>>color, without worrying about changes in exposure.
>>>FAO with the ammonium salt gives beautiful chocolate colors, if
>>>printing at low humidity.
>>>But you need some type of contrast control if working with negatives
>>>of 1.8 or so intended for DOP palladium. You can actually get it by
>>> adding a
>>>few drops of dichromate to the sensitizer, as you do with ziatype.
>>>no down side to this as far as I can see, and the ability to control
>>>contrast this way makes the Ware/Malde process quite flexible.
>>>FAO with the lithium salt (ziatype) also works well, though I have
>>>only made a few prints with it. But for persons who like nice neutral
>>>black prints this is the way to go with palladium.
>>>But printing with Pt./Pd. drives me crazy at times. The prints always
>>>have this glorious look when they are washing, and when you hang them
>>>up to dry.
>>>Then you come back the next morning when they are dry and they look
>>>contrast, carbon prints improve in look as they dry. I do find that a
>>>of coats of some kind of clear gloss lacquer or varnish recovers some
>>>wet look, but not all of it.