From: Robert W. Schramm (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: 11/18/00-10:16:37 PM Z
I apologize if my post was to flame-like. I guess I am in error for
assuming that this list, which is rather exclusive, is composed of
well above average intelligence people. Even if it is, I guess that
does not mean that they would act sensibly. BTW I know about the
ammonia-iodine compound of which you speak an a few others besides.
Did you know that the entire "Anarchist's Handbook," which contains
the formula for nitroglycerin amoung other formulas, is to be found
on the internet. I had an uncle who was a chemical engineer working for
Dupont, who explained to me how to make nitro and what not to do
and how extremely dangerous it was to make. I believe you would have
to be extremely wacko to attempt this.
There is a publication floating around that suggests a home-made
assembly of a kitchen colander and aluminium foil as a mercury
pot for developing daguerreotypes. It is, of course, extremely
Most of our alternative processes use toxic chemicals. The question,
for me, remains as to how many warnings are needed.
>Subject: Re: Mercury WARNINGS
>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:58:18 -0700
> >>Every so often on this list someone gives us a lecture on some
> >>highly toxic substance. I appreciate the fact that they are concerned
> >>us and again I know they mean well, but really, we already
> >>know about this stuff.
>With all due respect, and I mean that, there are lots of folks on this
>mailing list. Neither you or I know the experience level of every reader.
>For all anyone knows, they will see my long post about mercury then read
>other posts saying that I am too cautious and then proceed to use the
>materials to who knows what end. Many folks want to be told that
>everything in chemistry is safe, and will gravitate towards those folks
>who pat them on the head and tell them not to worry.
>I remember getting a rather angry email the last time I was a member and
>posted a chemical warning. It was from someone who sells related
>chemicals. The reason I got the message was very obvious to me.
>You know as well as I do that chemicals often confuse people. There are
>those occasional posts asking if one chemical can substitute for another.
>This tells me that they are relying on a mailing list not on research. I
>see all these posts asking about chemicals and there is no warnings or
>disclaimers or advice given. Often they ask and perhaps some do not ask
>and travel blindly down a very dangerous road.
>One mail list I was a member of had a question posted about "simple
>explosives" and how they could be made for the 4th of July. One
>respondent posted (with no real warnings) a compound made from Ammonia
>and Iodine. I will not repeat the chemical compound because anyone on
>this list that gets a hankering to try it will find real problems in they
>are stupid enough to try. Just a gentle breeze wafting across the
>chemical well cause detonation. In relatively small quantities, it could
>easily level a building. People who know nothing might get the idea to
>make lots of this stuff and then they are absolutely dead. There is no
>doubt that many on that mailing list knew about that specific compound as
>Some people rely upon the Internet for all of their information and make
>foolish mistakes for their efforts. Just last week, I had a post from a
>new member on a motorcycle mailing list that asked about helmet laws for
>the state they planned to visit. The information given was absolutely
>incorrect. Setting aside any safety issues, there was real possibilities
>for tickets because the asker of the question relied on a mail list for
>info they most certainly considered accurate.
>I agree many on this list understand how chemicals are to be handled, but
>the original question was posted by someone who obviously needed info and
>asked about safety. I gave it to her and will not apologize. I used to
>teach chemical safety and I gave far more information that you or most
>would consider needed; and this was for soldering materials. If I were
>preparing a lesson plan for handling mercury and related compounds, it
>would last at least 2 hours, but I would most certainly be chastised and
>derided for too much information.
>If everyone feels that I am too radical when it comes to chemicals, then
>perhaps the list owner should un -subscribe me so no one has to listen to
>my obviously unwanted lectures on chemicals and their hazards.
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