From: IN%"paulm@vetsci.usyd.edu.au" "Paul McGreevy" 16-APR-2002 20:21:38.78 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"chism@doolittle2.vetsci.usyd.edu.au" Subj: Chair in Poultry Science Dear List Members Some of you may be interested in applying for the following position at THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY's Faculty of Veterinary Science: Professor of Poultry Science REF NO: A15/002578 A new Chair in Poultry Science has been created with the support of RIRDC and the Poultry Research Foundation of the University of Sydney. The Chair will be located in the Faculty of Veterinary Science, which is currently consolidating its capacity to conduct research and post-graduate training in poultry science and nutrition. The Faculty is seeking an outstanding poultry scientist or veterinarian to lead the Faculty's initiatives in this area. As well as a thorough understanding of the problems facing poultry production in Australia, the successful applicant will have an established record of outstanding research and scholarship in poultry science. Candidates should have an independent research program that has achieved international recognition and a demonstrated ability to provide research leadership and to obtain research funding from competitive grants. Evidence of close liaison with the poultry industries is essential. The successful applicant will have a strong commitment to excellence in teaching and will provide leadership in curriculum design. The successful applicant will also have the superior administrative and leadership skills necessary to achieve improvements in teaching and research and to provide direction and impetus to the future developments in the Faculty. A degree in Veterinary Science, Agriculture, Science or equivalent qualification and a PhD (or equivalent qualification) in an appropriate discipline are essential. The Chair of Poultry Science will be based at Camden on the south-western outskirts of Sydney. The Faculty of Veterinary Science conducts research and teaching in a broad range of disciplines, including microbiology, parasitology, genetics and reproduction, in companion animal species (horses, dogs, cats and aviary birds), wildlife species, intensively raised production animals (pigs and birds) and grazing ruminants, particularly dairy and beef cattle and sheep. The Faculty intends to pursue a new thrust in poultry research which will fully utilise excellent new facilities that have been established at the Camden campus, utilising a wide range of funding, and with considerable ongoing industry support from the Poultry Research Foundation and the RIRDC Chicken Meat and Egg Programs. There will be an expectation that the research program at this unit will have a primary focus on avian digestive physiology and nutrition, with additional work on health, welfare and food safety. The Faculty of Veterinary Science is committed to training scientists to meet the ongoing requirements of the Australian livestock industries for animal nutrition, health and welfare management. The position is full-time fixed term for five years. There is the possibility of an offer for a further period with the agreement of the sponsors of the Chair and subject to the availability of funding. Membership of a University approved superannuation scheme is a condition of employment for new appointees. For further information and a copy of an information brochure should be obtained from Associate Professor Chis Maxwell, Associate Dean, Staff and Students, at the Faculty of Veterinary Science on (+61 2) 9351 2464 or e-mail: chism@vetsci.usyd.edu.au WE ARE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER AND WE OFFER A SMOKE FREE WORKPLACE Remuneration Package: $119,594 p.a. (which includes a base salary Professor Level E $101,537 p.a., leave loading and up to 17% employer's contribution to superannuation) Closing Date: 27/6/2002 From: IN%"joseph.barber@zoo.ox.ac.uk" 17-APR-2002 09:37:55.33 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Fireworks, noises, and animal responses Dear all, I know this subject has come up several times before, but I am looking for some specific referenes regarding animals' responses to fireworks in particular, but any lound noise will do. Also, I don't mind what species are involved. I know there is chicken egg production information out there, but I cannot seem to find it. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joseph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: IN%"PawsAbilities@citlink.net" 17-APR-2002 21:04:42.42 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! Hello, all of you! I am new to the APPLIED-ETHOLOGY list. I am a dog trainer and am studying for certification as a canine behavior counselor. I expect about a year of research to reach this goal, yet I have general interest that exceeds this. I am currently doing research on the topic of dog aggression and possible human contributors to this problem. More specifically, I am interested in how caregivers or environments that lack proper structure ("co-dependent" coddling or lax owners, or environments in which the animal is not reinforced based on behavior) might contribute to this. I am also looking for similar research done on species other than dogs. Although all species would do (anything will help!), I'm especially interested in non-human species that might be considered socially comparable to dogs. Also, I'm new to the online research game. I've found a few databases out there (eg. ScienceDirect), but am a little frustrated by the need to go somewhere that has a subscription to get to articles. Any tips or techniques? I would also welcome pointers to other databases that more experienced folks (you!) find especially valuable. Any insight is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Paula R. Stewart Owner, Paws Abilities Dog Training From: IN%"elly-hiby@angelfire.com" 18-APR-2002 03:39:21.32 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"Ute.Knierim@tiho-hannover.de" "Ute Knierim" CC: Subj: RE: Effect of blue light on broilers or other birds Dear Ute, It may be worth checking up on literature regarding housing birds under UV light, as this part of the spectrum has been found to be very important in bird vision. I know a group at Bristol Uni have been studying the welfare aspects of housing birds under UV and should be publishing their work very soon. Try emailing Arthur Goldsmith at Bristol University for info. Elly On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:25:54 Ute Knierim wrote: >Dear all, > >there is some evidence that broilers, quail, turkeys (and probably >other birds?) are less active under blue light. This effect is also >utilised for the catching process. It seems to me that the birds >merely do not see as well under blue light as they do under other >lights and as do humans. However, up to now I could not find any >reference in my (admittedly not very extensive) literature search that >would really address the question of seeing ability under blue light. >Did anyone of you perform such investigations or know something >about it? > >Thanks for your time and best wishes >Ute >************************************************************ > >Dr. Ute Knierim Institut fuer Tierhygiene, Tierschutz und > Nutztierethologie > Tieraerztliche Hochschule Hannover > Institute of Animal Hygiene, Welfare and > Behaviour of Farm Animals > School of Veterinary Medicine Hannover > >Buenteweg 17 p >D-30559 Hannover > >Tel +49 (0)511 953 8449 >Fax +49 (0)511 953 8588 > >Ute.Knierim@tiho-hannover.de >************************************************************ > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From: IN%"sb@ldc.upenn.edu" "Steven Bird" 19-APR-2002 14:46:00.17 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"BIOACOUSTICS-L@cornell.edu", IN%"animaltalk@mail.talkbank.org" CC: Subj: TableTrans - Observational Coding of Audio Signals (agtk.sf.net) TableTrans - Observational Coding of Audio Signals http://agtk.sf.net/ TableTrans is open source software for transcribing audio recordings using a spreadsheet. A screenshot of the tool is available here: http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/sb/meerkat.gif (Marta Manser's meerkat annotations) Each spreadsheet row is aligned with an audio segment, and whenever a spreadsheet row is selected, the corresponding audio segment is highlighted. The columns of the spreadsheet are user-configurable, and clicking on a column sorts all rows according to the entries in that column. The audio resides in a single file, and the tool can create sets of sound clips based on annotations selected by the user. The spreadsheet can be exported in various formats for external statistical analysis. The tool is being used by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and elsewhere to code extended field recordings of animal vocalizations. The tool was written in Python and C++, and is part of the Annotation Graph Toolkit - software infrastructure for signal annotation tools. The work is part of the Talkbank project (www.talkbank.org), funded by the US National Science Foundation. Supported audio formats: WAV, AU, AIFF, MP3, CSL, SD, Ogg/Vorbis, NIST/Sphere Supported platforms: Windows, Unix Coming soon: video support TableTrans is free, and distributed under an open source license. -Steven Bird -- Steven.Bird@ldc.upenn.edu http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/sb Assoc Director, LDC; Adj Assoc Prof, CIS & Linguistics Linguistic Data Consortium, University of Pennsylvania 3615 Market St, Suite 200, Philadelphia, PA 19104-2608 From: IN%"Shetts@aol.com" 19-APR-2002 16:46:42.76 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! In a message dated 04/17/2002 9:14:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, PawsAbilities@citlink.net writes: > I am a dog trainer and am studying for certification as a canine behavior > counselor. This brings up an interesting topic, at least to me, as the issue of certification has cropped up recently in a few other places. I guess I have a strong bias in this area, as one of the important questions to ask about certification is certified by whom adn what are the criteria. Professional organizations such as the Animal Behavior Society who certify Applied Animal Behaviorists with graduate degrees in animal behavior do not have a vested interest in the training of the people they certify. Candidates for certification present their credentials to the board of certification who then evaluates them based on the stated criteria. The body that certifies Animal Scientists operates in a similar fashion. Where they receive their training/degree is immaterial, as long as it is from an accredited university. "Certifications" which are based on the completion of course work (for a fee of course) by the very entity who is doing the certification, must be closely examined, because usually one cannot be 'certified' by them unless one receives their training from their school. There is no way for one to say they have comparable education/training from somewhere else and still be certified by XYZ School. So its not really certification by an independent body, only a statement that the individual has successfully completed the school's training criteria. Which to me, is self-serving at best and has no outside validity. Just my thoughts, I'm sure others may have different opinions. Best, Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D. Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Littleton, CO www.animalbehaviorassociates.com From: IN%"Shetts@aol.com" 19-APR-2002 16:51:18.83 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Fwd: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! (sorry for the resend - when this appeared in my box only half of it was there) > In a message dated 04/17/2002 9:14:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > PawsAbilities@citlink.net writes: > > > >> I am a dog trainer and am studying for certification as a canine behavior >> counselor. > > This brings up an interesting topic, at least to me, as the issue of > certification has cropped up recently in a few other places. I guess I > have a strong bias in this area, as one of the important questions to ask > about certification is certified by whom adn what are the criteria. > Professional organizations such as the Animal Behavior Society who certify > Applied Animal Behaviorists with graduate degrees in animal behavior do not > have a vested interest in the training of the people they certify. > Candidates for certification present their credentials to the board of > certification who then evaluates them based on the stated criteria. The > body that certifies Animal Scientists operates in a similar fashion. Where > they receive their training/degree is immaterial, as long as it is from an > accredited university. "Certifications" which are based on the completion > of course work (for a fee of course) by the very entity who is doing the > certification, must be closely examined, because usually one cannot be > 'certified' by them unless one receives their training from their school. > There is no way for one to say they have comparable education/training from > somewhere else and still be certified by XYZ School. So its not really > certification by an independent body, only a statement that the individual > has successfully completed the school's training criteria. Which to me, is > self-serving at best and has no outside validity. > Just my thoughts, I'm sure others may have different opinions. > Best, > > Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D. > Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist > Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. > Littleton, CO > www.animalbehaviorassociates.com Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D. Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Littleton, CO www.animalbehaviorassociates.com From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 19-APR-2002 18:40:42.76 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: looking for story/experience about a dog "blackballed" by pack ? Hello - A friend wrote to me of his American Bulldog who came to him as a rescue project, now 4 years old, 85 pounds, resident in household for 2 years. Good disposition and mixes well with all dogs. Equally, all dogs (probably 80 +/-) that have run with her readily accept her ... until recently. For the past three weeks ANY dog that she makes eye contact with warns her off; down to and including a 15-year-old dachshund. There are only five dogs 'common' to the household, all of them intact unless noted: the 15-year old neutered Dachshund, a 7 year old [margory not sure the breed], a 3 year old [again, margory doesn't know breed] and a 5 month old bull pup. All the other dogs are transient with an average stay of 10 to 16 weeks. In the last three weeks every dog the American Bulldog 'meets' warns her off. Her last eustrus was 3 months ago. Initial vet exams reveal nothing apparently wrong (e.g., pyometria) and there have been no signs of any fights, etc. Blood test results not back yet. Friend said it seems nearly as if she's been "black-balled." Please, if others have encountered this sort of thing in pack and if time allows, would be obliged to know what was the cause and resolution. Thank you. margory cohen From: IN%"psimonet@petalk.org" "Patricia Simonet" 19-APR-2002 20:19:54.67 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! on 4/19/02 3:46 PM, Shetts@aol.com at Shetts@aol.com wrote: >=20 > ...I guess I have a strong bias in this area, as one of the important > questions to ask about certification is certified by whom adn what are th= e > criteria... >=20 > ..."Certifications" which are based on the completion of course work (for= a > fee of course) by the very entity who is doing the certification, must be > closely examined, becau Just my thoughts, I'm sure others may have differ= ent > opinions. >=20 I have found that many people are calling themselves animal behaviorist. I am not sure why this has become trendy now. When I first approached my loca= l vet (small community) about behavioral referrals, in preparation for certification, he asked through what agency I was seeking my certification. I think this is wise on his part. When I said it was through the Animal Behavior Society, he sighed in relief. So it is not just a trend, it is a liability problem. Liability insurance becomes part of the equation. My insurer asked what my terminal degree is. Most (80%) of my clients are vet and shelter referrals. The other 20% are referrals from past clients. I do no advertising. I am soon to complete my Ph.D and one of my last milestones to overcome wit= h the Animal Behavior Society is to affiliate or =B3apprentice=B2 under a Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist. There are very few of this breed out in the world. In the meantime, I am having fun with animals and behavioral research. Trisha ----------------------------------------- PeTalk - because our pets matter Patricia Simonet Animal Behaviorist P.O. Box 6735 Incline Village, NV 89450-6735 www.petalk.org psimonet@petalk.org 775 831 8970 775 831 8979 FAX ----------------------------------------- From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 20-APR-2002 10:53:26.80 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All!Hello - Please excuse me writing over yours; it's the email formatting. Certification and liability. Loaded concepts in the same screen. Alot of questions and concern from this writer as well. But just one now, if I may and time allows: How do the certification programs differentiate between a behaviourist and a trainer? What in the work of the behaviourist is considered to be different from the work of a trainer? I've heard tell price per hour is one difference. But my question has to do with the work. Thanks. Interested. margory cohen ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Simonet To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! on 4/19/02 3:46 PM, Suzanne Hetts wrote: ...I guess I have a strong bias in this area, as one of the important questions to ask about certification is certified by whom adn what are the criteria... ..."Certifications" which are based on the completion of course work (for a fee of course) by the very entity who is doing the certification, must be closely examined, becau Just my thoughts, I'm sure others may have different opinions. Patricia Simonet, 4.19.02, wrote: I have found that many people are calling themselves animal behaviorist. I am not sure why this has become trendy now. When I first approached my local vet (small community) about behavioral referrals, in preparation for certification, he asked through what agency I was seeking my certification. I think this is wise on his part. When I said it was through the Animal Behavior Society, he sighed in relief. So it is not just a trend, it is a liability problem. Liability insurance becomes part of the equation. My insurer asked what my terminal degree is. Most (80%) of my clients are vet and shelter referrals. The other 20% are referrals from past clients. I do no advertising. I am soon to complete my Ph.D and one of my last milestones to overcome with the Animal Behavior Society is to affiliate or "apprentice" under a Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist. There are very few of this breed out in the world. From: IN%"chris@thebalanceddog.com" "Chris R." 20-APR-2002 11:24:33.56 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: rescue dog shelter design Hello All, I hope someone out there can help. I very much need references on shelter designs that minimize stress on dogs in the general population, as well as ideas on exercise spaces and enrichment of them. I also need ideas about designs where dogs in behavioral rehab can be in a low stress living situation which maximizes privacy and quiet while minimizing the dog's urge to become defensive about caretakers entering the space to clean or initiate contact. I am assuming that this latter would involve the configuration of the space, furnishings if any, and distances so that someone entering the kennel wouldn't automatically be in the dog's fight radius. That distance would change amongst dogs, I'm sure, but perhaps the furnishings or direction of opening the gate/door could be somehow made like flex space to accomodate several variations. Thanks, Chris Redenbach From: IN%"DMills@dmu.ac.uk" "Daniel Mills" 22-APR-2002 01:52:28.83 To: IN%"chris@thebalanceddog.com" "'Chris R.'", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: rescue dog shelter design I would suggest that you contact the National Canine Defence League, who have come up with an interesting design for one of their shelters. it is sort of herringbone design so dogs do not face each other directly. It seems this greatly reduces noise and I guess some of the stress to which you refer. Daniel Mills BVSc MRCVS Principal Lecturer in Behavioural Studies & Animal Welfare Animal Behaviour, Cognition and Welfare Group University of Lincoln Caythorpe Campus Caythorpe Lincs NG32 3EP UK Tel 44(0)1400 275629 e-mail dmills@dmu.ac.uk web-page www.lincoln.ac.uk/lsa/ -----Original Message----- From: Chris R. [mailto:chris@thebalanceddog.com] Sent: 20 April 2002 20:25 To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Subject: rescue dog shelter design Hello All, I hope someone out there can help. I very much need references on shelter designs that minimize stress on dogs in the general population, as well as ideas on exercise spaces and enrichment of them. I also need ideas about designs where dogs in behavioral rehab can be in a low stress living situation which maximizes privacy and quiet while minimizing the dog's urge to become defensive about caretakers entering the space to clean or initiate contact. I am assuming that this latter would involve the configuration of the space, furnishings if any, and distances so that someone entering the kennel wouldn't automatically be in the dog's fight radius. That distance would change amongst dogs, I'm sure, but perhaps the furnishings or direction of opening the gate/door could be somehow made like flex space to accomodate several variations. Thanks, Chris Redenbach From: IN%"PawsAbilities@citlink.net" 22-APR-2002 20:11:19.48 To: IN%"Shetts@aol.com", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! Suzanne: First of all, I am thrilled that you responded to my post. I am a huge fan of your work. "Pet Behavior Protocols" has been an extremely valuable learning tool and reference for me. Way to go - I'm sure you've heard it before, but you really have a winner there! Ironically, I agree with your comment! ABS certification represents a high achievement. I actually looked at that and would love to be certified at that level. Here's the problem, though: I have not found any other program that offers online education in this field. I am not located near appropriate universities, and my "day job" as director of R&D for a software company will continue to be my primary source of income, so I can't move to get education. I am left as a dog trainer needing to help clients with problem behaviors. There is also no one that I would call fully qualified as a behaviorist within 100 miles of our town. So although I take your advice seriously and do referrals to some excellent behaviorists, my clients won't accept them. Typically, either I or one other person in the area assists, or the dog is abandoned or euthanized. I can continue with my independent research - reading books such as yours and attending seminars when possible - or do the best I can with actual coursework where I can get it. The program is expensive, but I decided to check it out before dismissing it. So far, despite the fact that I have done a lot of learning on my own before taking the course (I have a degree in education and keep current with reinforcement-based training ideas, dealing with problem behaviors, etc.) I am learning quite a lot in this environment. Since participation in the online discussions is a requirement and class members come from a variety of backgrounds (shelter workers, a veterinarian, a lawyer, trainers, etc.) I am hearing a variety of perspectives on the topics. It's better than I thought that way - I've certainly sat through classes where folks with good ideas never spoke up. And perhaps it will some day transfer toward ABS certification, too. Any other online courses? Other thoughts? Better ideas are quite welcome! Paula R. Stewart Owner, Paws Abilities Dog Training -----Original Message----- From: Shetts@aol.com [mailto:Shetts@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:51 PM To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Subject: Fwd: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! (sorry for the resend - when this appeared in my box only half of it was there) In a message dated 04/17/2002 9:14:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, PawsAbilities@citlink.net writes: I am a dog trainer and am studying for certification as a canine behavior counselor. This brings up an interesting topic, at least to me, as the issue of certification has cropped up recently in a few other places. I guess I have a strong bias in this area, as one of the important questions to ask about certification is certified by whom adn what are the criteria. Professional organizations such as the Animal Behavior Society who certify Applied Animal Behaviorists with graduate degrees in animal behavior do not have a vested interest in the training of the people they certify. Candidates for certification present their credentials to the board of certification who then evaluates them based on the stated criteria. The body that certifies Animal Scientists operates in a similar fashion. Where they receive their training/degree is immaterial, as long as it is from an accredited university. "Certifications" which are based on the completion of course work (for a fee of course) by the very entity who is doing the certification, must be closely examined, becau Just my thoughts, I'm sure others may have different opinions. Best, Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D. Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Littleton, CO www.animalbehaviorassociates.com Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D. Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Littleton, CO www.animalbehaviorassociates.com From: IN%"PawsAbilities@citlink.net" 22-APR-2002 20:29:45.30 To: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "'margory cohen'", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! Interesting question, Margory, since I'm living the fuzzy life in between behaviorist and trainer. A fully-qualified behaviorist probably has a PhD from a university with a program dedicated to the understanding of animal learning, behavior and problem solving. A trainer is minimally someone who will help you get your dog to obey a set of commands. In our area, no other trainer will provide socialization for adult dogs, and most will dismiss any dog from class that regularly disrupts the class environment by wanting to bark or play too much. A muzzled dog may not be admitted. Instead of thanking the owner for their responsible behavior in muzzling a questionable dog, they are refused from the class. You get the idea. Many times, what the person wants is a dog that will get along with other dogs and people, will not destroy their house, etc.. They don't really care about sit or down. They bring them to training classes, then are frustrated when they don't get the help they need, nor a referral in many cases. I guess I'm trying to take a more wholistic approach as a trainer - we provide a variety of obedience and agility classes. Within these, we work on preventing problems. We then treat problem behaviors (including dog aggression) if they do develop or arrive, and do referrals for the most serious cases. Paula R. Stewart Owner, Paws Abilities Dog Training -----Original Message----- From: margory cohen [mailto:margory@dnai.com] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:10 AM To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Subject: Re: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! Hello - Please excuse me writing over yours; it's the email formatting. Certification and liability. Loaded concepts in the same screen. Alot of questions and concern from this writer as well. But just one now, if I may and time allows: How do the certification programs differentiate between a behaviourist and a trainer? What in the work of the behaviourist is considered to be different from the work of a trainer? I've heard tell price per hour is one difference. But my question has to do with the work. Thanks. Interested. margory cohen ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Simonet To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! on 4/19/02 3:46 PM, Suzanne Hetts wrote: ...I guess I have a strong bias in this area, as one of the important questions to ask about certification is certified by whom adn what are the criteria... ..."Certifications" which are based on the completion of course work (for a fee of course) by the very entity who is doing the certification, must be closely examined, becau Just my thoughts, I'm sure others may have different opinions. Patricia Simonet, 4.19.02, wrote: I have found that many people are calling themselves animal behaviorist. I am not sure why this has become trendy now. When I first approached my local vet (small community) about behavioral referrals, in preparation for certification, he asked through what agency I was seeking my certification. I think this is wise on his part. When I said it was through the Animal Behavior Society, he sighed in relief. So it is not just a trend, it is a liability problem. Liability insurance becomes part of the equation. My insurer asked what my terminal degree is. Most (80%) of my clients are vet and shelter referrals. The other 20% are referrals from past clients. I do no advertising. I am soon to complete my Ph.D and one of my last milestones to overcome with the Animal Behavior Society is to affiliate or "apprentice" under a Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist. There are very few of this breed out in the world. From: IN%"Beat.Wechsler@fat.admin.ch" "Beat Wechsler" 23-APR-2002 04:09:09.04 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: Conference Freiburg 2002 GERMAN VETERINARY SOCIETY - SECTION OF APPLIED ETHOLOGY, 34th INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS ON APPLIED ETHOLOGY 2002, FREIBURG/GERMANY, 21 - 23 NOVEMBER 2002. The programme of the 2002 meeting will include sessions on the following topics: 1) ALTERNATIVE HOUSING SYSTEMS FOR LAYING HENS Investigations into problems with abnormal behaviour (feather pecking, cannibalism) are of special interest. 2) ETHICAL GUIDELINES CONCERNING THE USE OF ANIMALS FOR EXPERIMENTAL PURPOSES Contributions may also refer to the Guidelines of the ISAE. 3) BEHAVIOUR AND HOUSING OF HORSES Studies into the human-horse relationship are also of interest. 4) FREE PAPERS Preferred are innovative contributions on the behaviour of domestic/captive animals and animal husbandry. There will be a brief meeting of the ISAE-Regional-Group West Central Europe at the congress. CALL FOR PAPERS: Abstracts in German or English must include topic, title, author(s) and affiliation, and should contain sufficient information on objectives, methods, sample size, results, conclusions and implications of the study. DEADLINE for the submission of abstracts for oral presentations (15 min presentation and 15 min discussion, posters are not accepted) is 31 MAY 2002. Abstracts (one page, no figures/tables/references; please assign your abstract to one of the topics) should be sent (hard copy by post; no fax please) to: Dr. U. Pollmann Deutsche Vet.-Med. Gesellschaft Am Moosweiher 2 D- 79108 Freiburg Germany The congress committee will select approx. 25 contributions based on the information provided in the abstracts. Studies that have already been published will not be considered. Authors will be informed about acceptance or rejection of their offers in July 2002, along with a provisional programme and information about registration. There is no congress fee for those giving an oral presentation. For other participants the congress fee will be about DM 150 (for students DM 40). Following the congress, all accepted contributions will be published (approx. 10 pages for each paper, in German or English) in a conference report by KTBL/DVG, Darmstadt, Germany. For further information please contact Dr. U. Pollmann Phone:++49-761-1502-287, FAX:++49-761-1502-299, e-mail: pollmann@cvuafr.bwl.de --------------------------------------------------------------- Beat Wechsler Swiss Federal Veterinary Office Centre for proper housing of ruminants and pigs CH-8356 Taenikon - Switzerland SMTP: Beat.Wechsler@fat.admin.ch X.400: G=Beat;S=Wechsler;O=fat;A=admin;C=ch FAX: ++41 52 365 11 90 Phone: ++41 52 368 31 31 From: IN%"DebHdvm@aol.com" 23-APR-2002 07:10:14.50 To: IN%"PawsAbilities@citlink.net", IN%"margory@dnai.com", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! In a message dated 4/22/2002 9:39:47 PM Central Daylight Time, PawsAbilities@citlink.net writes: > A fully qualified behaviorist probably has a PhD from a university with a > program dedicated to the understanding of animal learning, behavior and > problem solving. Just so you are aware there are also board certified veterinarians (through the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists, a specialty board of the American Veterinary Medical Association) who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of behavioral disorders in companion and large animals. Besides being graduate veterinarians they also have completed training in animal learning, development, neurobiology, animal behavior, problem solving and research and more. They must then submit an application to the specialty college, 3 case reports, proof of a published research based article and pass a rigorous two day examination. Many veterinarians have taken continuing education courses on the diagnosis and treatment of behavior disorders in animals. Often a veterinarian is a good resource for the diagnosis and treatment of behavior disorders especially since medical problems can contribute to behavior problems and must be ruled out and/or treated. Finally, the dispensing of medication is something that should only be done by veterinarians who not only are licensed to do so, but are aware of the indications and contraindications of drug usage. Debra F. Horwitz, DVM DACVB Veterinary Behavior Consultations 12462 G. Natural Bridge Road Bridgeton, Missouri 63044 phone: 314-739-1510 fax: 314-291-2116 e-mail: DebHdvm@aol.com From: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com" 23-APR-2002 08:35:53.21 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! Kudos to you Paula, You explained what it is all about brilliantly and in a realistic view. I agree that I think it is wonderful so many people in the field now have PHd's. I wish more were out in the filed working with the general public back in the 70's when I started. Back then there were a few out in the general public focussing on the needs that you expressed. I studied on how to educate the owners as well as find out the cause of the problems with the dogs. I cannot stop now after all this time because I don't have a Ph.D. and Certification. Where would the people and Veterinarians go for help? What I can do is continue my education as I do. Now it seems that the Certified Behaviorist set their fee's so high that only a very few can get the help that is needed. We sent one of my clients to get a second opinion on a case that I had worked with. The woman, child and dog drove almost two hours one way. Her charge was $250.00 for a two hour session only to be told that she was on the best program that she could be on. We all now that no matter what is done to prevent it, there is always going to be unqualified people trying to sell themselves with fancy titles and promises. Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are a lot of people who have been around for a long time with the love and dedication and are successful without PHd's. Maybe instead of trying to discard them and insult while trying to build up one's own reputation and credits, we should be working closer together. We all need each other to achieve our goals for healthier communities. I work strictly from Vet referrals and any client that comes to me is required to visit their Vet for a physical first. I am community based by choice and know my community as well as active in it. Along with my Vets I am involved in educating the children through a variety of programs so as to educate the next generation. I am available to my clients by telephone and E-mail at all times and keep my cost affordable so more people can help their pets. I focus on dogs that the OB trainers don't want in their classes or cannot help. I cater to the elderly on fixed incomes who love their pet with all their heart. I have my clients come to my indoor/outdoor facility that was designed for this work to encourage getting the dog off the property. If they are recovering from surgery I go to them. Children are encouraged to participate with the rest of the family at every session. I have spent time talking with Certified Behaviorist who work for a University in a sterile environment. I asked one gentleman about his practice after a three day conference on dog aggression at Guelph. A question that I asked that was not answered well at all was, "If you have a dog that comes to your office with a muzzle on do you have the client take it off?" His answer was "NO way in hell!" How do you do your diagnosis I asked? Discussion was over. Should I judge all Certified Veterinarian Behaviorist based on my encounters with a few? I have dedicated thirty-two years plus in my love for understanding animal behavior through observation and education. I am too old now to go back to school and get my Ph.D. so I can be recognized for the work I am doing. My community, State Animal Control Officers, referral Veterinarians and clients give me all the recognition that is required. My heart tells me so as well. What we all need is a referral program to incorporate and work closer together! George Phillip Quinlan All About Dogs Behavior Center From: IN%"marc.vandenheede@ulg.ac.be" "Marc Vandenheede" 23-APR-2002 08:44:31.53 To: IN%"boissy@clermont.inra.fr", IN%"schaal@cesg.cnrs.fr", IN%"claire.diederich@fundp.ac.be", IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be", IN%"levy@tours.inra.fr", IN%"jean-marie.giffroy@fundp.ac.be", IN%"veissier@clermont.inra.fr", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", I CC: Subj: ECVBM-AE ??? Dear colleagues, I have learned that the European Board of Veterinary Specialisation (EBVS)= recently accepted the project of a new College. The name of this College= would be "European College of Veterinary Behavioural Medicine and Applied= Ethology" (ECVBM-AE). This name suggested that the goal of this group will be much more larger= that "canine veterinary behavioural medicine". However, I am afraid that a= lot of recognized scientists working in applied ethology in Europe were not= contacted to participate. Furthermore, I am really surprised by the absence= of information about this new college, for example from the International= Society for Applied Ethology.=20 In conclusion, I would like to react towards this project and I need your= help. Sincerely yours,
ffff,0000,0000Marc Vandenheede Universit=E9 de Li=E8ge Facult=E9 de M=E9decine V=E9t=E9rinaire D=E9partement des Productions Animales (Ethologie appliqu=E9e aux animaux domestiques) Bd de Colonster, B=E2t. B43 4000 Li=E8ge Belgium t=E9l.: 32/(0)4/366.41.48 GSM: 32/(0)474/74.84.08 fax.: 32/(0)4/366.41.22 0000,0000,ffffemail: Marc.Vandenheede@ulg.ac.be
From: IN%"PawsAbilities@citlink.net" 23-APR-2002 20:55:50.25 To: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Stepped into this one, didn't I? Wow, folks, I was just saying, "Hi". I didn't intend to step into the middle of this... But since I'm here, I've never shied away from adding my 2 cents worth. :-) Come with me for a few paragraphs: I believe folks like George are providing a valuable service -- he's been trained in the "college of hard knocks", and is hopefully keeping current with the research. Doesn't sound like his business is starving, based on the referrals. And since he's on the list, this says something, does it not, for his interest in the science? This does not say that George has the same qualifications as someone with a PhD and equivalent experience. (My own preference would be to let each candidate prove it, but that's not what I'm getting at.) I don't deny someone with Suzanne's ability the right to carry a title that I may not have the opportunity to earn -- she's living this full time, and I'm only doing it about half time, including the "easy stuff". I would like to see more of a gradation of titles, though, to provide a certification goal for those of us who are successfully helping folks and trying to be as qualified as possible while doing so. Our PhD's are crucial parts of the bigger picture. I live in Rochester, Minnesota, home of the "world famous Mayo Clinic". For those of you who have not heard of it, it's an incredible medical complex filled with top-notch physicians. One of the reasons these doctors are so outstanding is because they do hundreds of the worst-case brain surgeries or heart bypasses or whatever a month. The normal surgeon may only see a few in his career. This is what our top folks are doing for us. They are handling the critical cases on a regular basis. They deserve the recognition they get, and more. At the same time, if I read George correctly, he's having significant success dealing with problem behaviors that normal dog trainers avoid. Should he not have an ability to attain some level of certification, to distinguish himself from the rest of the folks calling themselves behaviorists who perhaps may not have his experience, training or success? I believe this is what the Association of Pet Dog Trainers is trying to do with their certification program. It's a way to get the training community "with it" -- educated on and using reinforcement-based training rather than just jerking the dogs around, knowing how to run a professional training program, knowing when to refer, having a basic understanding of the key laws and health risks, etc. Why not do the same from a behavioral perspective? Incidentally, the APDT is considering multiple levels of trainer certification. I think a few related to this discussion would be prime candidates. It would motivate folks like George and I to continue to develop our skills in order to achieve attainable levels of certification, it would help distinguish from those who were not currently qualified or willing to develop the qualifications, and it would provide a ladder toward PhD-hood for those who just may decide to continue the climb. Folks, we all understand the principles of operant conditioning. Why are we not using them on ourselves? Let's shape some behaviorists, instead of expecting them to offer the desired behaviors in a single, huge step! Even for the ones who don't make it, we'll improve the advice being given out there by developing a better skill base. Paula R. Stewart Owner, Paws Abilities Dog Training -----Original Message----- From: GPQUINLAN@aol.com [mailto:GPQUINLAN@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:35 AM To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Subject: Re: New to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY... Hello to All! Kudos to you Paula, You explained what it is all about brilliantly and in a realistic view. I agree that I think it is wonderful so many people in the field now have PHd's. I wish more were out in the filed working with the general public back in the 70's when I started. Back then there were a few out in the general public focussing on the needs that you expressed. I studied on how to educate the owners as well as find out the cause of the problems with the dogs. I cannot stop now after all this time because I don't have a Ph.D. and Certification. Where would the people and Veterinarians go for help? What I can do is continue my education as I do. Now it seems that the Certified Behaviorist set their fee's so high that only a very few can get the help that is needed. We sent one of my clients to get a second opinion on a case that I had worked with. The woman, child and dog drove almost two hours one way. Her charge was $250.00 for a two hour session only to be told that she was on the best program that she could be on. We all now that no matter what is done to prevent it, there is always going to be unqualified people trying to sell themselves with fancy titles and promises. Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are a lot of people who have been around for a long time with the love and dedication and are successful without PHd's. Maybe instead of trying to discard them and insult while trying to build up one's own reputation and credits, we should be working closer together. We all need each other to achieve our goals for healthier communities. I work strictly from Vet referrals and any client that comes to me is required to visit their Vet for a physical first. I am community based by choice and know my community as well as active in it. Along with my Vets I am involved in educating the children through a variety of programs so as to educate the next generation. I am available to my clients by telephone and E-mail at all times and keep my cost affordable so more people can help their pets. I focus on dogs that the OB trainers don't want in their classes or cannot help. I cater to the elderly on fixed incomes who love their pet with all their heart. I have my clients come to my indoor/outdoor facility that was designed for this work to encourage getting the dog off the property. If they are recovering from surgery I go to them. Children are encouraged to participate with the rest of the family at every session. I have spent time talking with Certified Behaviorist who work for a University in a sterile environment. I asked one gentleman about his practice after a three day conference on dog aggression at Guelph. A question that I asked that was not answered well at all was, "If you have a dog that comes to your office with a muzzle on do you have the client take it off?" His answer was "NO way in hell!" How do you do your diagnosis I asked? Discussion was over. Should I judge all Certified Veterinarian Behaviorist based on my encounters with a few? I have dedicated thirty-two years plus in my love for understanding animal behavior through observation and education. I am too old now to go back to school and get my Ph.D. so I can be recognized for the work I am doing. My community, State Animal Control Officers, referral Veterinarians and clients give me all the recognition that is required. My heart tells me so as well. What we all need is a referral program to incorporate and work closer together! George Phillip Quinlan All About Dogs Behavior Center From: IN%"S.Jarvis@ed.sac.ac.uk" 24-APR-2002 11:12:24.91 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"r.death@ed.sac.ac.uk" "rick D'eath (E-mail)" Subj: PhD studentship advertisement Hi everyone Sorry if you have received this already via the ISAE network. If anyone would like more information please contact Rick D'Eath (r.death@ed.sac.ac.uk). Susan PhD STUDENTSHIP Animal Biology Division, SAC Edinburgh A PhD studentship "Understanding the phenotype of aggressiveness in pigs" is available from October 2002 at the department of Animal Behavioural Sciences at SAC, Edinburgh. The project will use behavioural and physiological techniques to investigate individual differences in aggressive behaviour in pigs, which can adversely effect welfare. The student will be registered for a higher degree at the University of Edinburgh, and will receive a stipend of =A38,400 per annum. Applicants should have, or soon expect to have, a good honours degree and/or MSc in a relevant subject. Application forms available from Personnel, Scottish Agricultural College, West Mains Road, Edinburgh EH9 3JG. Tel: (0131) 535 4343 (answering machine), Fax: (0131) 535 4322, {HYPERLINK "0000,8000,0000mailto:Personnel@ed.sac.ac= .uk"0000,8000,0000}Pe= rsonnel@ed.sac.ac.uk . Closing date: 2 May 2002. Please quote reference ABD/78/02. p.s. it's also on www.sac.ac.uk/jobvacancies and www.jobs.ac.uk0100,0100,0100 Dr. Susan Jarvis Animal Biology Division SAC Bush Estate Penicuik Midlothian EH26 0PH email: s.jarvis@ed.sac.ac.uk tel: 0131 535 3214 fax: 0131 535 3121 From: IN%"joseph.stookey@usask.ca" 24-APR-2002 16:08:35.36 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "applied ethology list", IN%"ISAEnet-l@usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE International Congress 2003: Italy I realize that the ISAE meeting in Abano Terme, Italy in 2003 is over a year away, but I am wondering if the dates have ever been established? I was hoping the ISAE newsletter would yield that information, but noticed it was not there either. Does anyone know when the meeting will take place or at least what month? I would like to attend and I need to make some arrangements for this meeting fairly soon. Thanks Joe -- Joseph M. Stookey Department of Large Animal Clinical Sciences Western College of Veterinary Medicine University of Saskatchewan 52 Campus Dr. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan S7N 5B4 Canada From: IN%"joaommcunha@hotmail.com" "Joao Cunha" 25-APR-2002 07:27:54.11 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: First Applied-ethology message. Introducing myself. Hello, Before I introduce myself I must say that I don't really know who are the recivers of my message. This is my first e-mail within this service and I'm not really sure how this works. Anyway, by sugestion of the e-mail I recived with some orientations I'll introduce myself. Ny name is Joćo (Joao with no accent is easier for you to pronouce, but eevn so I don't belive you will say it right, it's vrey difficult for non portuguese). I'm from a residential area just beside Lisbon, the capital city of Portugal. I'm 22, and i'm a student of psichology. Currently, i'm repeating the 3th year os the total of 5, due to personal problems i had during my first semester last year. During a semester i studied ethology. It was a introdution course to the subject and i was really intersted in that matter. Since Lorenz and Tinbergen to the modern days ethology mant ideas have changed, but all the development of ethology is for me very intersting. As a psychology student i found very intersting the work of Danny Lehrman within the comparative psychology, although i belive that more current studies that make biology and psychology interact in the explanation of animal behaviour by considering epigentic factors are the most complete and (for now) viable studies. As I said in teh beginning, this is my first message and i don't even know for sure what its content should be, so i'll not go any further for now. I'm sorry if my "writen" english is not as good as my "spoken" english, i have some lack of practice. Best wishes, Joao Cunha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: IN%"Carol.Petherick@dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" 25-APR-2002 20:37:42.29 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" CC: Subj: nutritional wisdom All I'm seeking ideas/opinions about a method of rearing livestock that appears to rely on nutritional wisdom. I know that there is ample experimental evidence that livestock can (and do) select nutrients that are close to optimal for their current needs. However, is there evidence that this is an appropriate management system? A system here advocates putting livestock (I'm mainly talking about sheep and cattle) out in the paddock and then providing containers of various minerals etc and allowing the animals to self-select. The idea is that this system will optimise productivity of the animals in a 'natural' way. I know from experience that intakes of supplements by cattle can (and do) vary hugely - even of supplements that are supposed to be 'palatable'. Also, animals can (and do) over-eat some supplements with toxic consequences (death!). So, I would assume that this variability would also apply to intakes of trace elements, minerals etc. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Carol "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mahatma Gandhi Carol Petherick Senior Scientist (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) Dept Primary Industries Agency for Food & Fibre Sciences PO Box 6014 Central Qld Mail Centre North Rockhampton Qld 4702 Australia email: carol.petherick@dpi.qld.gov.au tel: (0)7 4936 0331 fax: (0)7 4936 0390 ********************************DISCLAIMER**************************** The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. From: IN%"rr25@cus.cam.ac.uk" "R. Rodd" 26-APR-2002 03:12:04.24 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: clomicalm/valium Can anyone explain why it seems that the standard veterinary drug for treating "inappropriate elimination" due to anxiety in cats is valium but clomicalm is used for the same problem in dogs when the cause is thought to be separation anxiety? Is it simply that there is no serotonin enhancing drug licensed for use in cats or is there a real difference? Is there anything that suggests it might be worth trying valium where clomicalm isn't helping? ---------------------------------------- Rosemary Rodd Literary & Linguistic Computing Centre Sidgwick Avenue, Cambridge CB3 9DA 01223 335029 From: IN%"DMills@dmu.ac.uk" "Daniel Mills" 26-APR-2002 03:55:21.13 To: IN%"rr25@cus.cam.ac.uk" "'R. Rodd'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: clomicalm/valium valium is not generally recommended now for this condition (I presume you mean spraying rather than failure to use the litterbox which is often described as inappripriate elimination) in cats for the following reason - They can develop a fatal idiosyncratic reaction to valium - There is a high relapse rate (90% plus) when medication is withdrawn. Cloimpramine can be used in cats to treat urine spraying, Valium is of limited value in dogs because it is rapidly metabolised and has a variable effect. Currently the preferred first line of treatment for both species are pheromone products. In the cat these are derived from the facial glands in dogs the analogue is a mammary secretion. These have good calming effects without the risk of side effects that drugs have. Ic ould go on if you are interested..... Daniel Mills BVSc MRCVS Principal Lecturer in Behavioural Studies & Animal Welfare Animal Behaviour, Cognition and Welfare Group University of Lincoln Caythorpe Campus Caythorpe Lincs NG32 3EP UK Tel 44(0)1400 275629 e-mail dmills@dmu.ac.uk web-page www.lincoln.ac.uk/lsa/ -----Original Message----- From: R. Rodd [mailto:rr25@cus.cam.ac.uk] Sent: 26 April 2002 10:12 To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Subject: clomicalm/valium Can anyone explain why it seems that the standard veterinary drug for treating "inappropriate elimination" due to anxiety in cats is valium but clomicalm is used for the same problem in dogs when the cause is thought to be separation anxiety? Is it simply that there is no serotonin enhancing drug licensed for use in cats or is there a real difference? Is there anything that suggests it might be worth trying valium where clomicalm isn't helping? ---------------------------------------- Rosemary Rodd Literary & Linguistic Computing Centre Sidgwick Avenue, Cambridge CB3 9DA 01223 335029 From: IN%"rr25@cus.cam.ac.uk" "R. Rodd" 26-APR-2002 04:40:16.92 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: clomicalm Just to head off all the good people who are going to tell me about feliway - my original question should probably have been, "Is there any real evidence that clomicalm *ever* does anything for dogs whose problems were originally caused by the way they were reared?" I should probably add that the view of the vet who attends the rescue kennels is now "not in her experience". ---------------------------------------- Rosemary Rodd Literary & Linguistic Computing Centre Sidgwick Avenue, Cambridge CB3 9DA 01223 335029 From: IN%"johnwade@ethological.com" "Ethological Communication" 26-APR-2002 06:25:45.12 To: IN%"rr25@cus.cam.ac.uk" "R. Rodd", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology Mailing List" CC: Subj: RE: clomicalm Not in my experience either. However, one person did feel that it had helped her dog's outlook, her husband did not agree. In my opinion it is poorly and over-prescribed, I might even venture to say irresponsibly prescribed. I am beginning to believe it belongs in the same file as prescription coprophagia treatments. Regards, John Wade From: IN%"bevcee@earthlink.net" "Bev Caldwell" 26-APR-2002 07:50:21.76 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: clomicalm Buspar or Buspirone has been used with success for marking behavior in cats. Bev From: IN%"Gerflannigan@aol.com" 26-APR-2002 08:14:56.72 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Re:Clomacalm As an FDA approved medication for the treatment of canine separation anxiety, clomipramine (the generic name for Clomicalm) has been investigated for its effect on separation anxiety. There have been three published studies in refereed journals. Two of these studies found a substantial improvement (J. Applied Animal Eh 67:255-276, 2000; Rev. Vet Meed 150:133-140, 1999) while the third found no value beyond behavior modification alone (vet record 145:365-369, 1999). In my experience, clomipramine along with a variety of other antidepressants and anti-anxiety agents (in combination with behavior modification) are very useful in the treatment of anxiety based conditions in dogs. PS. Dr. Mills, I am not familiar with the mammary pheromone that you described for canine separation anxiety and would like to hear about your experience. It is similar (same as?) to the synthetic appeasing pheromone that will be presented at the upcoming AVSAB meeting (Gaultier and Pageat). Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Gerrard Flannigan DVM, MSc Carolina Veterinary Specialists Greensboro/Charlotte, North Carolina 336-632-0605 (Voice) 336-632-0703 (Fax) gerflannigan@aol.com From: IN%"thevirtualeditor@hotmail.com" "Andrea Herbert" 26-APR-2002 09:31:35.71 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: New Old Books--Your Suggestions Needed To applied-ethology members: The Blackburn Press is a relatively new publishing company, founded with the mission of keeping in print and available for purchase at reasonable prices book titles that larger publishers have lost interest in and have declared to be "out of print." We specialize in scientific and technical books and textbooks. The books are generally classics in their fields and unobtainable, even in the used/rare book market. By bringing these books back into print, we make them available to libraries, scholars, researchers and graduate students who wish to own or replace a copy of an invaluable book. A number of our titles are again being assigned as texts in college courses. We are interested in hearing about out-of-print titles we might consider returning to print and ask for your suggestions. Some recently republished wildlife titles, all of which include research and studies in animal behavior: Snakes: Ecology and Behavior edited by Richard A. Seigel and Joseph T. Collins. Coyotes: Biology, Behavior and Management edited by Mark Bekoff. Mountain Sheep and Man in the Northern Wilds by Valerius Geist. Thank you. Andrea Herbert The Blackburn Press Publishers of classic scientific and technical books P.O.Box 287, Caldwell, N.J. 07006 973-228-7077 Fax: 973-228-7276 AHerbert@BlackburnPress.com http://www.BlackburnPress.com From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 27-APR-2002 11:53:04.06 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Re:Clomacalm, and certifications too Gerrard Flannigan DVM, MSc, Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:14 AM > As an FDA approved medication for the treatment of canine separation anxiety, > clomipramine (the generic name for Clomicalm) has been investigated for its > effect on separation anxiety. There have been three published studies in > refereed journals. Two of these studies found a substantial improvement (J. > Applied Animal Eh 67:255-276, 2000; Rev. Vet Meed 150:133-140, 1999) while > the third found no value beyond behavior modification alone (vet record > 145:365-369, 1999). In my experience, clomipramine along with a variety of > other antidepressants and anti-anxiety agents (in combination with behavior > modification) are very useful in the treatment of anxiety based conditions in > dogs. margory wrote back: Thank you for the cites, Dr. Flannigan. In my own experience long-time trainers I know have had excellent result by appropriate training of human _and_ dog. One trainer actually used to tell clients to bring dog only after all drugs were out of system and no trace left. While I'm here, my thanks too for replies to mine re difference between behaviourist and trainer. I'm still foozling about those distinctions and the stratification proposals and fallout from them. My day job is in a law firm so when it comes to experience with "certification" I've seen a range of possibilities or not, and I'm afraid my own cynicism that much of this has to do more with financial possiblities presently looms over my thoughts on this in Dog. As well as the Politics of Dog which so much occupy time and effort and need for attention. Ms. Stewart mentioned APDT (Association of Pet Dog Trainers); I would also suggest that in the United States, IACP (International Association of Canine Professionals) and NADOI (National Association of Dog Obedience Instructors, or close to it) also have thoughtful membership structures. As always, I appreciate this forum for the range of reference available and generously shared. margory cohen Scottish Deerhounds San Francisco, CA, US From: IN%"whfeep@equine-behavior.com" "WHFEEP" 28-APR-2002 19:31:14.15 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom Hi Carol - I did experiment with a very simple form of this type of management for a while several years ago with the horse groups here, as our soils are deficient in several important respects - the results were not very good however and it was stopped. The problems were that uptake from high status individuals was very good, but lower status and younger individuals (whose need was probably greater) either took far less or none at all. Once higher status individuals had taken what they wanted and moved off the lower status members would follow rather than stay by themselves. Additionally there was no good way to assess exactly how much each was getting, so control was virtually impossible. I only tried with salt and multi-mineral mix so there was no overdose threat, but given the way in which some individuals monopolised the feeders had there been a mineral such as copper it could have been quite dangerous. I am also curious as to how the particularly bad tasting minerals might be disguised in order to assist uptake, for surely something would have to be done to raise the palatability - and how once they are disguised the animal would be able to self-medicate with any degree of safety?. I'm currently experimenting with a caramel type flavour mask in order to make drenching less stressful - it is working well, so well in fact that I am reasonably sure that once accustomed to an unnatural supplementation regime it would become very easy to cause toxic uptake levels. Would it not be reasonable also to suggest that minerals are rarely available in nature in the concentrated form that might be purchased? If so the margin of safety would be radically different. I would be interested to hear what others think. Regards to all Andy Beck WHFEEP, N.Z. ----- Original Message ----- From: Petherick, Carol (TBC) To: 'ethology' Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: nutritional wisdom All I'm seeking ideas/opinions about a method of rearing livestock that appears to rely on nutritional wisdom. I know that there is ample experimental evidence that livestock can (and do) select nutrients that are close to optimal for their current needs. However, is there evidence that this is an appropriate management system? A system here advocates putting livestock (I'm mainly talking about sheep and cattle) out in the paddock and then providing containers of various minerals etc and allowing the animals to self-select. The idea is that this system will optimise productivity of the animals in a 'natural' way. I know from experience that intakes of supplements by cattle can (and do) vary hugely - even of supplements that are supposed to be 'palatable'. Also, animals can (and do) over-eat some supplements with toxic consequences (death!). So, I would assume that this variability would also apply to intakes of trace elements, minerals etc. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Carol "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mahatma Gandhi Carol Petherick Senior Scientist (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) Dept Primary Industries Agency for Food & Fibre Sciences PO Box 6014 Central Qld Mail Centre North Rockhampton Qld 4702 Australia email: carol.petherick@dpi.qld.gov.au tel: (0)7 4936 0331 fax: (0)7 4936 0390 ********************************DISCLAIMER**************************** The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. From: IN%"marc.vandenheede@ulg.ac.be" "Marc Vandenheede" 29-APR-2002 10:42:15.14 To: IN%"boissy@clermont.inra.fr", IN%"schaal@cesg.cnrs.fr", IN%"claire.diederich@fundp.ac.be", IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be", IN%"levy@tours.inra.fr", IN%"jean-marie.giffroy@fundp.ac.be", IN%"veissier@clermont.inra.fr", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", I CC: Subj: ECVBM-AE (follow-up) Dear colleagues, As I said in my first email, here are some personal comments and concerns about the constitution of the "European College of Veterinary Behavioural Medicine and Applied Ethology" (ECVBM-AE). If you are interested, I strongly recommend you to read the related information available on Internet (http://www.esvce.org/ecvbm/ecvbm-02.html). My main concern is about the name of this new college. It reflects a large topic but you will see in the above referred information that everything turns only around behavioural medicine (objectives, future recognition criteria, members of the Organising Committee, residency program, ...). There is thus a huge confusion between "behavioural medicine", applied ethology and even animal welfare. Furthermore, behavioural medicine is actually mainly focused on dogs and cats but it is not the case for applied ethology and animal welfare. I would like to propose at least a more appropriated name, e.g. "European College of Veterinary Behavioural Medicine" or like in the USA, "European College of Veterinary Behaviourists". Furthermore, I don't think that the members of the Organising Committee are representative of "European Applied Ethologists". As you will read on page 14 of the "Brochure": "The call for candidates was sent out by e-mail to all members of the European Society for Veterinary Clinical Ethology and was published on the ESVCE Internet site. The text was as follows: "We are calling for people willing to commit themselves to the organisation of the European College of Veterinary Psychiatry (Behavioural Medicine) (ECVP) by becoming members of the organising Committee (OC)." The call was thus only sent to a limited sample of European applied ethologists, and the name was changed afterwards! I would like to propose that all European vets working in Applied Ethology will be contacted and that their comments and concerns about this constitution will be asked. As I said, a "American College of Veterinary Behaviorists" was created in 1995. It is written on page 5 in the "Brochure", "The Organising Committee as asked to the ACVB to have a look on the Constitution, By-Laws, Interim rules, Credentialing Information of the proposed ECVBM-AE. A few chapters were written using ACVB recommendations. The ACVB has no ability to endorse any other organisation body or rules but has proposed to give comments on our documents." I would like to propose to wait to their comments before going further. I would like to react by sending these comments to the European Board of Veterinary Specialists (EBVS). This could remain a personal concern or, with your help if you feel concerned, become representative of a group dealing the same professional activity. =09 Sincerely yours, =09
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From: IN%"saluqi@ix.netcom.com" "John Burchard" 30-APR-2002 15:23:38.60 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied ethology list" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom Andy Beck wrote: > Hi Carol - I did experiment with a very simple form of this type of management > for a while several years ago with the horse groups here, as our soils are > deficient in several important respects - the results were not very good > however and it was stopped. The problems were that uptake from high status > individuals was very good, but lower status and younger individuals (whose > need was probably greater) either took far less or none at all. Once higher > status individuals had taken what they wanted and moved off the lower status > members would follow rather than stay by themselves.Additionally there was no > good way to assess exactly how much each was getting, so control was virtually > impossible. I only tried with salt and multi-mineral mix so there was no > overdose threat, but given the way in which some individuals monopolised the > feeders had there been a mineral such as copper it could have been quite > dangerous.I am also curious as to how the particularly bad tasting minerals > might be disguised in order to assist uptake, for surely something would have > to be done to raise the palatability - and how once they are disguised the > animal would be able to self-medicate with any degree of safety?.I'm currently > experimenting with a caramel type flavour mask in order to make drenching less > stressful - it is working well, so well in fact that I am reasonably sure that > once accustomed to an unnatural supplementation regime it would become very > easy to cause toxic uptake levels.Would it not be reasonable also to suggest > that minerals are rarely available in nature in the concentrated form that > might be purchased? If so the margin of safety would be radically different.I > would be interested to hear what others think. One thing that occurs to me here is that a "point source" of food or minerals is fairly alien to horse behavior. The sources they are behaviorally programmed to exploit are ordinarily sufficiently dispersed they cannot be monopolized by higher ranking individuals. We are used to supplying hay in mangers, and salt licks in blocks, etc., but that does not really correspond very well to the natural biology of horses or other grazing animals. Even mineral licks, in arid regions anyway, are usually playa-like structures big enough to accomodate at least several individuals at one time, rather than a single block or trough. I would expect what you have observed, i.e. that dominance behavior at a point source would interfere significantly with self-medication even in the presence of adequate physiological and behavioral mechanisms to guide the intake. John -- John Burchard Tepe Gawra Salukis http://saluqi.home.netcom.com/ saluqi@ix.netcom.com From: IN%"whfeep@equine-behavior.com" "WHFEEP" 30-APR-2002 17:30:21.95 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom John Burchard wrote: One thing that occurs to me here is that a "point source" of food or minerals is fairly alien to horse behavior. The sources they are behaviorally programmed to exploit are ordinarily sufficiently dispersed they cannot be monopolized by higher ranking individuals. We are used to supplying hay in mangers, and salt licks in blocks, etc., but that does not really correspond very well to the natural biology of horses or other grazing animals. Even mineral licks, in arid regions anyway, are usually playa-like structures big enough to accomodate at least several individuals at one time, rather than a single block or trough. I would expect what you have observed, i.e. that dominance behavior at a point source would interfere significantly with self-medication even in the presence of adequate physiological and behavioral mechanisms to guide the intake. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I neglected to mention that I had provided three distinct supply points in an attempt to address the dominance problem, as is often necessary with water etc - and given the relatively small group size (from memory around 10 at that time) this should have sorted the problem - however uptake still appeared to be very uneven. Is there any evidence that all individuals within a breed or species self medicate to the same extent, or indeed that all individuals self medicate at all? Given that research work on Sheep has shown up large differences in immunity to internal parasites, and that this might then suggest marked differences in an individual's requirement for a basic like copper....... Surely some breed lines of domesticated animal have been produced that do not self medicate - but under intensive management systems this never becomes apparent. There has been talk of selective breeding in order to produce sheep flocks all of which are drawn from 'parasite immune' parents - if this self medication idea were to work might it not be reasonable to suggest that a similar strategy to identify suitable parents from which self medicating stock could be bred would be required? Regards to all Andy Beck WHFEEP Northland, NZ.