From: IN%"rweb@Uni-Hohenheim.DE" 1-DEC-1999 03:24:46.49 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Introduction Dear all, I am new to the network of applied ethology and would like to introduce myself briefly. I am a Ph.D. student in agricultural sciences working on welfare of fattening pigs in different husbandry systems in Germany. I am currently transcribing my video data. I am interested in exchanging information about topics related to the definition of animal welfare as well as technical questions. I think the network is interesting and can be very useful. I am curious and I am looking forward to being a member. Ragnhild Weber University of Hohenheim Inst. of Animal Science in the Tropics and Subtropics Garbenstr. 17 70593 Stuttgart From: IN%"Kammler@vitakraft.de" "Dr. Kammler" 2-DEC-1999 05:45:04.50 To: IN%"APPLIED-ETHOLOGY@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: introduction and golden hamsters Hi all, this is the first mailing by Ulrike Kammler... I suppose it is time to introduce myself to you all. I have been following = the discussion in this mailing-list for some weeks, and I rejoice very = much in all of your interesting themes and witty remarks.=20 I am a graduated vet working in the public relations department of a pet = food company, but I am searching for the opportunity to do research in = ethology (applied or not applied, that is not the question).=20 I would like to ask for your advice: I am trying to do an article (for the non-scientific public) about the = behaviour of golden hamsters, and I do not find too much information in = the books. I am especially interested in the ecology and behaviour of wild = hamsters, in behavioural problems in golden hamsters kept as pets, and in = relevant ameliorations for the cage and ist "furniture" to ensure the = wellness of golden hamsters kept as pets. Can anybody recommend some publications or scientists to me? =20 Viele Gr=FC=DFe aus Bremen!/ Best Wishes and Greetings from Bremen, = Germany! Ulrike Kammler From: IN%"sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch" 2-DEC-1999 06:29:36.22 To: IN%"Kammler@vitakraft.de" "'Dr. Kammler'", IN%"APPLIED-ETHOLOGY@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: AW: introduction and golden hamsters Hi Ulrike: The American biologist M.R. Murphy captured golden hamsters in Syria in the 70ies and brought them to the U.S. Apart from one short note (Am. Zool. 11:632), I do not have anything on his studies. Does anybody know if studies on those wild-caught hamsters exist? There are many studies on the behavior of golden hamsters in the laboratory animal - literature. Good luck! Sabine Gebhardt-Henrich From: IN%"smillman@hsus.org" "Suzanne Millman" 2-DEC-1999 15:44:33.68 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: referencing software Greetings all, I'm in the process of trying to organize the various papers I have = collected, and am looking into buying some software. I am familiar with = the "Procite" software, but find it rather cumbersome. Is anyone using a = software program, for indexing journal articles, that they would recommend?= Cheers, Suzanne Millman Suzanne Millman Director of Scientific Programs Farm Animals and Sustainable Agriculture Section Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) 2100 L Street NW Washington, DC, 20037 PHONE: 301-258-3114 FAX: 301-258-3078 EMAIL: smillman@hsus.org From: IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P." 2-DEC-1999 17:20:57.41 To: IN%"smillman@hsus.org" "'Suzanne Millman'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: referencing software Hi All, Endnote is fantastic. Not least cos it will download database entries from the web, so you hardly ever have to type anything in. It interfaces with word, and wordperfect so that you find new commands in the tools menu of word. I find it invaluable. cheers Joe ___________________________ Dr. Joseph Garner University of California Department of Animal Science One Shields Avenue Davis CA 95616 USA Phone: (530) 754 5291 > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Millman [mailto:smillman@hsus.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:43 PM > To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: referencing software > > > Greetings all, > I'm in the process of trying to organize the various papers I > have collected, and am looking into buying some software. I > am familiar with the "Procite" software, but find it rather > cumbersome. Is anyone using a software program, for indexing > journal articles, that they would recommend? > Cheers, > Suzanne Millman > > > Suzanne Millman > Director of Scientific Programs > Farm Animals and Sustainable Agriculture Section > Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) > 2100 L Street NW > Washington, DC, 20037 > PHONE: 301-258-3114 > FAX: 301-258-3078 > EMAIL: smillman@hsus.org > > From: IN%"dynavet@nat.fr" "Dynavet" 3-DEC-1999 01:49:08.61 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: TR: referencing software Please, Stop sending me messages. Thanks -----Message d'origine----- De : Garner, Joseph P. [mailto:JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu] Envoyé : vendredi 3 décembre 1999 00:25 À : 'Suzanne Millman'; applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Objet : RE: referencing software Hi All, Endnote is fantastic. Not least cos it will download database entries from the web, so you hardly ever have to type anything in. It interfaces with word, and wordperfect so that you find new commands in the tools menu of word. I find it invaluable. cheers Joe ___________________________ Dr. Joseph Garner University of California Department of Animal Science One Shields Avenue Davis CA 95616 USA Phone: (530) 754 5291 > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Millman [mailto:smillman@hsus.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:43 PM > To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: referencing software > > > Greetings all, > I'm in the process of trying to organize the various papers I > have collected, and am looking into buying some software. I > am familiar with the "Procite" software, but find it rather > cumbersome. Is anyone using a software program, for indexing > journal articles, that they would recommend? > Cheers, > Suzanne Millman > > > Suzanne Millman > Director of Scientific Programs > Farm Animals and Sustainable Agriculture Section > Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) > 2100 L Street NW > Washington, DC, 20037 > PHONE: 301-258-3114 > FAX: 301-258-3078 > EMAIL: smillman@hsus.org > > From: IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net" "AIB" 3-DEC-1999 04:14:50.65 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ethology bulletin board" CC: Subj: Fabric Eating in Cats This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pTRCCy8YNxHotVwm99Pkxw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I have been asked to treat a 2.5 year old, neutered male, house-bound = Siamese cat who has an established fabric eating problem. Together with an animal behaviour counsellor colleague, I am = implementing a behaviour modification plan that includes various forms = of enrichment - we are converting a room in the house into an adventure = play ground; hiding the daily food allowance in small portions in = multiple locations; offering cooked knuckle bones to gnaw on; = encouraging hunting-orientated play through hand-operated and = remote-controlled toys etc. I would welcome comments/suggestions from anyone who has had success = treating fabric-eating cats. In particular, I would like to hear from = anyone who has experiences using drug therapy. I look forward to hearing from you. Mark Evans BVetMed MRCVS --Boundary_(ID_pTRCCy8YNxHotVwm99Pkxw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I have been asked to treat a 2.5 = year old,=20 neutered male, house-bound Siamese cat who has an established fabric = eating=20 problem.
 
Together with an animal behaviour = counsellor=20 colleague, I am implementing a behaviour modification plan that includes = various=20 forms of enrichment - we are converting a room in the house into an = adventure=20 play ground; hiding the daily food allowance in small portions in = multiple=20 locations; offering cooked knuckle bones to gnaw on; encouraging=20 hunting-orientated play through hand-operated and remote-controlled toys = etc.
 
I would welcome comments/suggestions from anyone who = has had=20 success treating fabric-eating cats.  In particular, I would like = to hear=20 from anyone who has experiences using drug therapy.
 
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--Boundary_(ID_pTRCCy8YNxHotVwm99Pkxw)-- From: IN%"dynavet@nat.fr" "Dynavet" 3-DEC-1999 04:33:38.77 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: unsubscribe -----Message d'origine----- De : Jon Bowen [mailto:rondog@btinternet.com] Envoyé : vendredi 3 décembre 1999 11:17 À : Dynavet Objet : re: stop sending me messages! You need to unsubscribe form the applied ethology network. Send an amail to applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca with 'unsubscribe' in the subject box. best wishes, Jon Bowen From: IN%"DMills@dmu.ac.uk" "Daniel Mills" 3-DEC-1999 09:36:46.40 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology (E-mail)" CC: Subj: acquisition of different tereotypies I seem to remember reading a while ago about some work , possibly in mice where they found that those that performed one locomotor stereotypy (? cage running) were more likely to perform another locomotor one than an oral one. I can't find any refernce to this now though. Does anyone out there know of this work or any other relating to the relationship between the presence of one stereotypy in an individual and the occurence of another? TIA Daniel Mills Daniel S. Mills BVSc MRCVS Senior Lecturer in Behavioural Studies & Animal Welfare School of Agriculture Faculty of Applied Sciences De Montfort University Lincoln Caythorpe Campus Caythorpe Lincs NG32 3EP UK Tel 01400 275629 Fax 01400 275686 e-mail dmills@dmu.ac.uk From: IN%"wattsjon@duke.usask.ca" "Jon Watts" 3-DEC-1999 09:44:36.53 To: IN%"dynavet@nat.fr" "Dynavet" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: Unsubscribing To unsubscribe from applied ethology, send a message to applied-ethology-request@skyway.usask.ca (notice the "request" part in the address) In the BODY of the message (NOT the subject line) type unsubscribe applied-ethology youremailaddress for example, unsubscribe applied-ethology dynavet@nat.fr There is no need to put anything else in the message. The message gets read and the unsubscribe command is carried out by a computer. Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Watts (___) ) ) University of Saskatchewan |o o|___________/ ( Dept of Herd Medicine O \#/ | ) and Theriogenology |bser| | Statistical | ( Western College of Vet. Med. |vati| | analysis | ) 52 Campus Drive |ons.| \___________/| *& Saskatoon ------ || || %$#@ S7N 1B4 / \ || || ^*@*~ Canada &^%%#$@ wattsjon@duke.usask.ca "The Holy Cow" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"EOPrice@UCDavis.Edu" "Price, Edward O." 3-DEC-1999 11:23:23.46 To: IN%"sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch" "'sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch'", IN%"Kammler@vitakraft.de" "'Dr. Kammler'", IN%"APPLIED-ETHOLOGY@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: introduction and golden hamsters Dear All: The following reference on the domestication of golden hamsters may be of interest: Murphy, M.R. 1985. History of the capture and domestication of the Syrian golden hamster. In: "The Hamster: Reproduction and Behavior", H.I. Siegel, Editor, Plenum, New York, pp. 3-20. Ed Price eoprice@ucdavis.edu -----Original Message----- From: sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch [mailto:sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:29 AM To: 'Dr. Kammler'; APPLIED-ETHOLOGY@skyway.usask.ca Subject: AW: introduction and golden hamsters Hi Ulrike: The American biologist M.R. Murphy captured golden hamsters in Syria in the 70ies and brought them to the U.S. Apart from one short note (Am. Zool. 11:632), I do not have anything on his studies. Does anybody know if studies on those wild-caught hamsters exist? There are many studies on the behavior of golden hamsters in the laboratory animal - literature. Good luck! Sabine Gebhardt-Henrich From: IN%"jwillard@turbonet.com" "Janice Willard" 3-DEC-1999 13:55:41.52 To: IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net" "AIB" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats At 10:19 AM 12/3/99 +0000, you wrote: >>>> I have been asked to treat a 2.5 year old, neutered male, house-bound Siamese cat who has an established fabric eating problem. Together with an animal behaviour counsellor colleague, I am implementing a behaviour modification plan that includes various forms of enrichment - we are converting a room in the house into an adventure play ground; hiding the daily food allowance in small portions in multiple locations; offering cooked knuckle bones to gnaw on; encouraging hunting-orientated play through hand-operated and remote-controlled toys etc. I would welcome comments/suggestions from anyone who has had success treating fabric-eating cats. In particular, I would like to hear from anyone who has experiences using drug therapy. I look forward to hearing from you. Mark Evans BVetMed MRCVS <<<< Hi Mark, You need to start by determining what kinds of behaviors accompany the fabric eating behavior. It is my feeling that these behaviors are normal kitten behaviors that are being seen in an adult animal which is lacking a specific behavioral outlet in its environment. When a queen starts feeding whole food to her kittens, she catches and generally kills a mouse and brings it to the group of kittens while at the same time calling to the kittens. She drops the mouse in their midst and retires a short distance away while a free-for-all over the mouse ensues. The kittens all grab for the mouse one or (two) kittens will succeed in dragging the mouse away from its litter mates and take it into a corner and growling at them, will crunch away at the mouse and consume it whole. The queen has generally stretched out, ignored the battle and nurses whatever kittens aren't tussling over the mouse. She then gets up and goes out hunting again. I live in a rural area and have seen queens bring up to 4 mice an hour to their litter. The first time that I saw a fabric chewing cat I was amazed by how much it resembled this kitten behavior. The cat would grab a wool sock and run growling for a corner, where it would chew and growl. The other type of fabric eating also resembles a kitten behavior. In this case, the cat will take a piece of fabric in its mouth and suck and kneed the fabric and will generally be purring. This closely resembles nursing behavior. I have successfully treated the first type. Here is what I did: I got mice for the cat to eat. I went to a research lab where they had mice for research and asked to have the control mice (which were not treated with anything) or sometimes the lab would just have too many of a particular type of mouse and would euthanize some of their stock (wild life rehabilitators would also be getting these rodents). The lab personal would put them in plastic bags in the freezer. The treatment for the cat was then to feed her these mouse-sicles until she stopped going after the wool socks. I started at one mouse a day, then backed off to about one a week. You will have to experiment with the cat to see how many mouse-sicles he needs. The cat I was dealing with had only been wool chewing for several months and the behavior resolved quite quickly when I gave her her natural food. Cats eat mice whole, bones and hair and all. Processed cat food just doesn't provide the same sensory stimuli. (This is probably a reason for the failure of many human weight reduction diets as well :-) ). Drug therapy would be way down my list. I have not yet had an opportunity to treat a fabric chewer who is of the purring-nursing variety. I have a colleague who wrote up a description of how to deal with these. I will contact her and see if I can get her permission to pass on her recommendations. Be sure to warn everyone in the house about what is in the little bags in the freezer. If the kids pull one out looking for an after-school snack, it could be a bit disconcerting.... Janice Willard DVM, MS From: IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P." 3-DEC-1999 14:49:26.53 To: IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net" "'AIB'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ethology bulletin board" CC: Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats Dear mark, I believe that these and other related behaviours ARE similar to human OCD (unlike stereotypies and related behaviours). For full details you might like to see my PhD thesis. My thesis work makes a good case for this claim in stereotypies, and i am currently beginning to work on OCD-like behaviours in mice and parrots to see if the other side of the argument holds up. The most effacious treatment for human OCD is drug (SSRI, such as prozac, or clomipramide) treatment combined with behaviour (aversion) therapy. The advantage of this apporach is that drug therapy can be reduced or eliminated once symptoms have been reduced with a lower risk of remission. Supplementing the diet with tryptophan (a serotonin precursor) is also effective in similar behaviours in monkeys and chickens: Mench, J. A., & Shea-Moore, M. M. (1995). "Moods, minds and molecules: The neurochemistry of social behavior." Applied Animal Behaviour Science 44(2-4): 99-118. Weld, K. P. (1998). The role of serotonin in the modulation of aggressive and affiliative behavior in laboratory housed rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta). Department of Animal and Avian Sciences, University of Maryland. Weld, K. P., Mench, J. A., Woodward, R. A., Bolesta, M. S., Suomi, S. J., & Higley, J. D. (1998). "Effect of tryptophan treatment on self-biting and central nervous system serotonin metabolism in rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta)." Neuropsychopharmacology 19(4): 314-322. There is little literature on pica in humans, where it is usually associated with severe pathology. The only effectively treated case study i know of is: Zeitlin, S. B., & Polivy, J. (1995). "Coprophagia as a manifestation of obsessive-compulsive disorder: A case report." Journal of Behavior Therapy & Experimental Psychiatry 26(1): 57-63. where behaviour therapy was used: the patient was exposed to situations which elicited his obsessions, and prevented from engaging in his coprophagic compulsions. Your behaviour modification scheme sounds promising, in that you are potentially redirecting the fabric eating response and you are enriching the animal's environment. However, you might find an analogous approach more useful, i doubt that the fabric eating has much to do with nutrition or foraging. It probably has more to do with an unstimulating environment, or one which contains chronic, unavoidable stressors. Thus i would suggest trying to identify the circumstances underwhcih fabric eating occurs, and if they do relate to stressors, to attempt to re-direct the cat's behaviour following deliberate exposure to the stressor. I would also look into a possible tryptophan deficiency, and consider concurrent short-term pharmacological intervention to facilitate the behaviour therapy. Hope that helps cheers Joe ___________________________ Dr. Joseph Garner University of California Department of Animal Science One Shields Avenue Davis CA 95616 USA Phone: (530) 754 5291 -----Original Message----- From: AIB [mailto:aib.hq2@virgin.net] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 2:20 AM To: ethology bulletin board Subject: Fabric Eating in Cats I have been asked to treat a 2.5 year old, neutered male, house-bound Siamese cat who has an established fabric eating problem. Together with an animal behaviour counsellor colleague, I am implementing a behaviour modification plan that includes various forms of enrichment - we are converting a room in the house into an adventure play ground; hiding the daily food allowance in small portions in multiple locations; offering cooked knuckle bones to gnaw on; encouraging hunting-orientated play through hand-operated and remote-controlled toys etc. I would welcome comments/suggestions from anyone who has had success treating fabric-eating cats. In particular, I would like to hear from anyone who has experiences using drug therapy. I look forward to hearing from you. Mark Evans BVetMed MRCVS From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN BREGMAN" 3-DEC-1999 18:39:28.40 To: IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P.", IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net" "'AIB'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ethology bulletin board" CC: Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats At 12:53 PM 12/03/1999 -0800, Garner, Joseph P. wrote: >Your behavior modification scheme sounds promising, in that you are >potentially redirecting the fabric eating response and you are enriching the >animal's environment. However, you might find an analogous approach more >useful, i doubt that the fabric eating has much to do with nutrition or >foraging. It probably has more to do with an unstimulating environment, or >one which contains chronic, unavoidable stressors. Thus i would suggest >trying to identify the circumstances underwhcih fabric eating occurs, and if >they do relate to stressors, to attempt to re-direct the cat's behaviour >following deliberate exposure to the stressor. I would also look into a >possible tryptophan deficiency, and consider concurrent short-term >pharmacological intervention to facilitate the behaviour therapy. > >Hope that helps > >cheers > >Joe I'm not sure what I have to offer will help or not. I have a nine and a half year old Border Collie who sucks on fabric, and has done so ever since I got her at about two months of age. She does no damage to the fabric, which is why I have made no attempts to "cure her". She only sucks and kneads o n "proper" toys, or her bed, and almost never makes holes in anything. I figure that she is orally fixated, and that's that. She is also a coprophager, which is, IMO, a far more serious problem. Perhaps serious is the wrong word --- unpleasant might be a better term. I haven't been able to fix that either. So far as her being bored is concerned, I doubt it. She has spent her whole life being trained for obedience competition and therapy work. And she seems to love it. She has two other Border Collies to play with, and half an acre together with a dog door for indoor/outdoor fun. I doubt if it is stress, as it does not seem to increase nor decrease with dog shows. I hope this helps somewhat. Vivian Vivian Bregman -- dog trainer for forty years -- interested in everything to do with science, and animals, especially behavior --- vbregman@interactive.net From: IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P." 3-DEC-1999 19:35:50.30 To: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "'VIVIAN BREGMAN'", IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P.", IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net" "'AIB'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ethology bulletin board" CC: Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats Hi Vivian, thanks for the response. I am sorry to hear about your Collie's coprophagy problem. At the risk of telling you something you almost certainly know, have you looked into her diet? Coprophagy can be a response to thiamine deficiency in dogs... I am sure i posted an email a couple of months ago with references pertinent to this problem... hold on a sec... found it, and attached it (see below) Incidentally, it looks like I was unclear when I suggested that these behaviours may be related to chronic stressors. You are right to point out that the absence of the behaviour when she is at a dog show indicates that generalised "stress" is unlikely to be an eliciting factor for the behaviour, but this does not discount the possibility that a very particular stressor might be eliciting the behaviour (separation anxiety being a case in point). You should pay careful attention to the circumstances surrounding bouts of the behaviour... is it always performed at the same time of day, or in the same room, or when a particular event always happens. My favourite example of this kind of detective work was told to me by Danny Mills, who recounted the story of a dog which would suddenly jump up and tear around the house in an identical route barking at nothing. The initial suspicion that this might be a route tracing stereotypy can be discounted from the lack of repetition (just one circuit would be traced out) and the integration of other variable behaviours. In fact, once the owners realised that the behaviour was seen immediately after anyone flushed the upstairs toilet, it was a simple matter to realise that the behaviour was simply the dog chasing air trapped in the plumbing as it raced around the house making exciting gurgling noises in the walls! ...good luck! cheers Joe ___________________________ Dr. Joseph Garner University of California Department of Animal Science One Shields Avenue Davis CA 95616 USA Phone: (530) 754 5291 ************************************** Hi all, Coprophagia is one of the wierd and wonderful behaviours that i am interested in. It is common in caged primates, and certain human disorders. However in dogs there is considerable evidence that this behaviour can also reflect dietary problems, particularly thiamine deficiency: Read, D. H., & Harrington, D. D. (1981). "Experimentally induced thiamine deficiency in beagle dogs: clinical observations." American Journal of Veterinary Research 42(6): 984-91. If the problem is dietary, it may well represent an abnormal behaviour induced by the caged environment. In which case it may have more akin with coprophagia in human disorders. In humans the only paper on treatment that i am aware of is: Stewart, J. T. (1995). "Treatment of coprophagia with carbamazepine." American Journal of Psychiatry 152(2): 295. carbamazepine is an anti-epeleptic. When an expression of psychological pathology, I believe that these behaviours are related to human OCD and other impulsive behaviours. These disorders respond well to SSRIs like Prozac or sertraline, although these drugs take a number of weeks to take effect, and symptoms may be exaccerbated for the first week or two of treatment. You might also like to try supplementing the diet with tyrptophan - a precursor of serotonin - which is effective against similar behaviours in rhesus monkeys. Importantly, in humans these behaviours respond best to a combination of pharmacotherapy and behaviour therapy. Karen Overall recommends this approach for similar behaiours in dogs. SSRIs seem to move the patient to the point where the behaviour becomes malleable, following successful training the patient can be taken off the drug. Hope this helps Cheers Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: VIVIAN BREGMAN [mailto:bregman@interactive.net] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 4:37 PM > To: Garner, Joseph P.; 'AIB'; ethology bulletin board > Subject: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats > > > At 12:53 PM 12/03/1999 -0800, Garner, Joseph P. wrote: > >Your behavior modification scheme sounds promising, in that you are > >potentially redirecting the fabric eating response and you > are enriching the > >animal's environment. However, you might find an analogous > approach more > >useful, i doubt that the fabric eating has much to do with > nutrition or > >foraging. It probably has more to do with an unstimulating > environment, or > >one which contains chronic, unavoidable stressors. Thus i > would suggest > >trying to identify the circumstances underwhcih fabric > eating occurs, and if > >they do relate to stressors, to attempt to re-direct the > cat's behaviour > >following deliberate exposure to the stressor. I would also > look into a > >possible tryptophan deficiency, and consider concurrent short-term > >pharmacological intervention to facilitate the behaviour therapy. > > > >Hope that helps > > > >cheers > > > >Joe > > > I'm not sure what I have to offer will help or not. > I have a nine and a half year old Border Collie who sucks on > fabric, and > has done so ever since I got her at about two months of age. > She does no damage to the fabric, which is why I have made no > attempts to > "cure her". > She only sucks and kneads o n "proper" toys, or her bed, and > almost never > makes holes in anything. I figure that she is orally > fixated, and that's > that. > She is also a coprophager, which is, IMO, a far more serious problem. > Perhaps serious is the wrong word --- unpleasant might be a > better term. > I haven't been able to fix that either. > > So far as her being bored is concerned, I doubt it. > She has spent her whole life being trained for obedience > competition and > therapy work. > And she seems to love it. > She has two other Border Collies to play with, and half an > acre together > with a dog door for indoor/outdoor fun. > I doubt if it is stress, as it does not seem to increase nor > decrease with > dog shows. > > I hope this helps somewhat. > > Vivian > > > > > Vivian Bregman -- dog trainer for forty years -- > interested in everything to do with science, and animals, > especially behavior --- vbregman@interactive.net > From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN BREGMAN" 4-DEC-1999 05:28:43.89 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats At 05:39 PM 12/03/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Vivian, thanks for the response. I am sorry to hear about your Collie's >coprophagy problem. At the risk of telling you something you almost >certainly know, have you looked into her diet? Coprophagy can be a response >to thiamine deficiency in dogs... I found that the best way to cup down on the coprophagy is to increase her diet. She get one can of green beans per day with her dinner. I find that when I forget -- or run out of -- the beans she does it more. If she gets a bit more of her dinner then she does it less. I figure that it's hunger. But thanks for the thiamine idea. Altho she already gets a multivitamin daily. How much thiamine would you add to the diet of a forty five pound Border Collie?? Much thanks. Vivian Vivian Bregman -- dog trainer for forty years -- interested in everything to do with science, and animals, especially behavior --- vbregman@interactive.net From: IN%"r.wiebe@home.com" "R Wiebe" 4-DEC-1999 20:10:19.17 To: IN%"dcwiebe@home.com" "Dave and Carol Wiebe", IN%"grofam@sk.sympatico.ca" "Garry and Jeannette Gross", IN%"gsiemens@the.link.ca" "Gord and Marianne Siemens", IN%"jhettel@tcu.sk.ca" "John Hettel", IN%"leslievand@sk.sympatico.ca" "Leslie VanDuyvendy CC: Subj: crazy things........ I am a medical student currently doing a rotation in toxicology at the poison control center. Today, this woman called in very upset because she caught her little daughter eating ants. I quickly reassured her that the ants are not harmful and there would be no need to bring her daughter into the hospital. She calmed down, and at the end of the conversation happened to mention that she gave her daughter some ant poison to eat in order to kill the ants. I told her that she better bring her daughter in to the ER right away. Seems that a year ago, some Boeing employees on the field decided to steal a life raft from one of the 747s. They were successful in getting it out of the plant and home. When they took it for a float on the Stilliguamish River, they were quite surprised by a coast guard helicopter homing in on the emergency locator that is activated when the raft is inflated. They are no longer employed here. The instructor was demonstrating the wonders of static electricity to his class at MIT. While holding a plastic rod in one hand and a wool cloth in the other, he told the class, "You can see that I get a large charge from rubbing my rod..." That was pretty much the end of learning for that day. I worked for a while at a Wal-Mart store, selling sporting goods. As an employee of Wal-Mart you are sometimes required to make store-wide pages, e.g.,"I have a customer in hardware who needs assistance at the paint counter." One night a tentative female voice came over the intercom system with the following message: "I have a customer by the balls in toys who needs assistance." A police officer had a perfect hiding place for watching for speeders. But one day, everyone was under the speed limit, the officer found the problem: a 10 year old boy was standing on the side of the road with a huge hand painted sign which said "RADAR TRAP AHEAD." A little more investigative work led the officer to the boy's accomplice, another boy about 100 yards beyond the radar trap with a sign reading "TIPS" and a bucket at his feet, full of change. A carpet layer had just finished installing carpet for a lady. He stepped out for a smoke, only to realize he'd lost his cigarettes. In the middle of the room, under the carpet, was a bump. "No sense pulling up the entire floor for one pack of smokes," he said to himself. He proceeded to get out his hammer and flattened the hump. As he was cleaning up, the lady came in. "Here," she said, handing him his pack of cigarettes. "I found them in the hallway." "Now," she said, "if only I could find my gerbil." From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 5-DEC-1999 09:54:22.37 To: IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net" "AIB" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice Willard, Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:53 AM: > ..... Cats eat mice whole, bones and hair and all. > Processed cat food just doesn't provide the same sensory stimuli. (This is > probably a reason for the failure of many human weight reduction diets as > well :-) ). Drug therapy would be way down my list. /// > Be sure to warn everyone in the house about what is in the little bags in > the freezer. If the kids pull one out looking for an after-school snack, > it could be a bit disconcerting.... i don't have cats but this inspires me too;-)) -- if only for the family warning. please when the need arises, may i pass along this information? margory From: IN%"sbc@kvl.dk" "Stine B Christiansen" 5-DEC-1999 10:05:29.03 To: IN%"chris.gotman@sympatico.ca" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: Vedr.: Wild Felids: two questions Dear Chris, The second question is: is there a difference in feces burying >behaviour in different species of felids, and namely, do old world >felids bury feces, while new world felids don't? I havn't studied feces burying behaviour in felids, but I have some = practical experience having worked at a wildlife rehab center with ocelots = and margays in Costa Rica. From a sample size of approx. 15 ocelots and 30 margays my obsevation is = that the ocelots tend to bury/cover their feces with leaves, dirt etc., = whereas the margays don't. We kept the cats in enclosures with dirt & = grass floors and natural (rain-forest like) vegetation. The cats were = provided with boxes for shelter. Some cats (of both ocelots and margays) = preferred to defecate in one of the boxes. Some margays would defecate on = top of a box or a platform located in the upper part of the enclosure. So, in contrast to your observations "our" ocelots behaved more like "old = world" cats. Hope this information is useful to you. Yours, Stine Stine B. Christiansen cand.med.vet. (DVM), MSc Det Dyreetiske R=E5d/The Danish Animal Ethics Council Den Kgl. Veterin=E6r- og Landboh=F8jskole/The Royal Veterinary and = Agricultural University Etologi og Sundhed/Ethology and Health Gr=F8nneg=E5rdsvej 8 1870 Frederiksberg C Copenhagen Denmark tlf./ph.: +45 3528 3075 fax: +45 3528 3022 e-mail: sbc@kvl.dk From: IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk" "Chris Sherwin" 6-DEC-1999 03:33:26.24 To: IN%"DMills@dmu.ac.uk" "Daniel Mills" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology (E-mail)" Subj: RE: acquisition of different tereotypies Dear Danny and others, I think the paper you are recollecting used voles Cooper, J.J. and Nicol, C.J. 1994. Neighbour effects on the development of locomotor activities in bank voles. Anim. Behav. 47: 214-216. I think Jeff Rushen also did some work on bar biting or chain twirling by pigs, but I haven't got the reference to hand. Regards, Chris On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:29:46 +0000 Daniel Mills wrote: > I seem to remember reading a while ago about some work , possibly in > mice > where they found that those that performed one locomotor stereotypy (? > cage > running) were more likely to perform another locomotor one than an > oral one. > I can't find any refernce to this now though. > Does anyone out there know of this work or any other relating to the > relationship between the presence of one stereotypy in an individual > and the > occurence of another? > TIA > Daniel Mills > > > Daniel S. Mills BVSc MRCVS > Senior Lecturer in Behavioural Studies & Animal Welfare > School of Agriculture > Faculty of Applied Sciences > De Montfort University Lincoln > Caythorpe Campus > Caythorpe > Lincs > NG32 3EP > UK > Tel 01400 275629 Fax 01400 275686 > e-mail dmills@dmu.ac.uk > ---------------------- Dr. Chris M. Sherwin Division of Animal Health and Husbandry University of Bristol Langford House Langford Bristol BS40 5DU Phone: (0117) 928 9486 Fax: (0117) 928 9582 E-mail chris.sherwin@bris.ac.uk From: IN%"borell@landw.uni-halle.de" 6-DEC-1999 06:12:55.71 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: (Fwd) Ann: Management of health and welfare; alternative housi Dear all, I was asked to forward this information on the EAAP Meeting 2000 in The Hague. If you need further information, please contact directly the organizing committee. E. von Borell ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:24:24 +0100 From: EAAP2000@Alg.VF.WAU.NL Subject: Ann: Management of health and welfare; alternative housing sys. To: borell@landw.uni-halle.de Send reply to: EAAP2000@Alg.VF.WAU.NL In 2000, The European Association for Animal production organizes its Annual meeting in The Hague, The Netherlands, August 21-24. The commission on Animal Management and Health organizes sessions on: * Management of health and welfare I: measuring and monitoring * Management of health and welfare II: process control and certification * Alternative housing systems for pigs and poultry * Livestock production and water quality * High yielding dairy cows: integration of physiology, nutrition, management and health aspects. In addition, two free communication sessions are to be organized. During the conference, also sessions will be organized on Genetics, Animal Nutrition, Animal Physiology, Cattle Production, Sheep and Goat production, Pig Production and Horse Production. Full details on the programme can be found on http://eaap2000.wa Deadline for receipts of abstracts is March 1, 2000. Kind regards, Sijne van der Beek EAAP-2000 organization committee eaap2000@alg.vf.wau.nl ------- End of forwarded message ------- ********************************************************************** Dr. Eberhard von Borell Professor of Animal Husbandry & Livestock Ecology Institute of Animal Breeding and Husbandry with Veterinary Clinic Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg Adam-Kuckhoff-Str. 35 D-06108 Halle GERMANY Phone: (49)-345-5522331/2 Fax: (49)-345-5527106 E-Mail: BORELL@landw.uni-halle.de ********************************************************************** From: IN%"wattsjon@duke.usask.ca" "Jon Watts" 6-DEC-1999 09:32:59.78 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: A-E Hot Topic of C21 Here's one for all you Profs, students, researchers, vets, bunny-huggers etc. who think you can put a name to what's hot and what's not in applied ethology. I've seen a couple of tv specials on "the most influential people of the past millenium", or "the most significant events of the century". These are fun, but as we teeter on the edge of a new millenium (ok, so it doesn't actually start for another year;-) or maybe a global power outage, it seems like a good time to look forward as well as back. So my question is, what will be the important A-E issues in the future? Interpret the question any way you like; philosophically, technically, ethically. Think global, if you like. Or else on a more personal scale. What will be important to you, what would you like to see more of and why? Anyone want to comment on that? Cheers! Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Watts (___) ) ) University of Saskatchewan |o o|___________/ ( Dept of Herd Medicine O \#/ | ) and Theriogenology |bser| | Statistical | ( Western College of Vet. Med. |vati| | analysis | ) 52 Campus Drive |ons.| \___________/| *& Saskatoon ------ || || %$#@ S7N 1B4 / \ || || ^*@*~ Canada &^%%#$@ wattsjon@duke.usask.ca "The Holy Cow" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"elfhund@hotmail.com" "Brenda Reed" 6-DEC-1999 18:16:40.44 To: IN%"bregman@interactive.net", IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu", IN%"aib.hq2@virgin.net", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Fabric Eating in Cats Hi, all. I suspect that cats often fix on wool for their sucking because wet wool produces an animal smell. This makes suckling the fabric much more like suckling on a mother animal. From my own experience with my earlobe suckling kitten-cat, Stanley, I have observed that when he's suckling for comfort and intimacy (as opposed to frantic "I need food" suckling) he seems to go into a sort of trance state. His eyes become bleary and I can only describe them as full of love. This suggests to me a physical pleasure in the suckling process, one that a kitten can enjoy with mother. The attention involved in enriching the environment might give the cat what he wants. Or maybe more conscious cuddle time with the owner might help. Oh, another note from the "earlobe" notebook -- I've noticed that Stanley's saliva coats my earlobes because it is slick rather than watery. Doubtless this makes the lobes smell like Stanley and guides him back to them and initiates the desire to suckle just as kittens have a "favorite" teat. So I would suggest thoroughly washing any fabric that the cat has sucked on. Sore earlobed, but soldiering on the quest of knowledge -- Brenda Reed ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P." 6-DEC-1999 18:47:27.83 To: IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk" "'Chris Sherwin'", IN%"DMills@dmu.ac.uk" "Daniel Mills" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology (E-mail)" Subj: RE: acquisition of different tereotypies hi all, Hi Danny, Hi Chris I was dredging my brain for an answer to this one too, and I had come = up with the same best guess as Chris. However you are not interested in = the relationship between the stereotypies of neighbours are you? (Which is = what this paper is about). You might be thinking of Hanno's work on source behaviours:=20 W=FCrbel, H., & Stauffacher, M. (1997). "Age and weight at weaning = affect corticosterone level and development of stereotypies in ICR-mice [Full = text delivery]." Animal Behaviour 53(Pt5): 891-900. W=FCrbel, H., & Stauffacher, M. (1998). "Physical condition at weaning = affects exploratory behaviour and stereotypy development in laboratory mice." Behavioural Processes 43(1): 61-69. W=FCrbel, H., Stauffacher, M., & vonHolst, D. (1996). "Stereotypies in laboratory mice - Quantitative and qualitative description of the = ontogeny of 'wire-gnawing' and 'jumping' in Zur:ICR and Zur:ICR nu." Ethology = 102(5): 371-385. Hope that helps. If you are interested in enighbour effects then i have = more references. Cheers Joe ___________________________ Dr. Joseph Garner University of California Department of Animal Science One Shields Avenue Davis CA 95616 USA Phone: (530) 754 5291 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Sherwin [mailto:chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:31 AM > To: Daniel Mills > Cc: Applied Ethology (E-mail) > Subject: Re: acquisition of different tereotypies >=20 >=20 > Dear Danny and others, >=20 > I think the paper you are recollecting used voles >=20 > Cooper, J.J. and Nicol, C.J. 1994. Neighbour effects on the=20 > development of locomotor activities in bank voles. Anim. Behav. 47:=20 > 214-216. >=20 > I think Jeff Rushen also did some work on bar biting or chain = twirling > by pigs, but I haven't got the reference to hand. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Chris=20 >=20 > On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:29:46=20 > +0000 Daniel Mills wrote: >=20 > > I seem to remember reading a while ago about some work ,=20 > possibly in=20 > > mice > > where they found that those that performed one locomotor=20 > stereotypy (? > > cage > > running) were more likely to perform another locomotor one than an=20 > > oral one. > > I can't find any refernce to this now though. > > Does anyone out there know of this work or any other relating to = the > > relationship between the presence of one stereotypy in an=20 > individual=20 > > and the > > occurence of another? > > TIA > > Daniel Mills > >=20 > >=20 > > Daniel S. Mills BVSc MRCVS > > Senior Lecturer in Behavioural Studies & Animal Welfare > > School of Agriculture > > Faculty of Applied Sciences > > De Montfort University Lincoln > > Caythorpe Campus > > Caythorpe > > Lincs > > NG32 3EP > > UK > > Tel 01400 275629 Fax 01400 275686 > > e-mail dmills@dmu.ac.uk > >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > Dr. Chris M. Sherwin > Division of Animal Health and Husbandry > University of Bristol > Langford House > Langford > Bristol > BS40 5DU >=20 > Phone: (0117) 928 9486 > Fax: (0117) 928 9582 > E-mail chris.sherwin@bris.ac.uk >=20 From: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" 6-DEC-1999 19:27:35.31 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" CC: Subj: Anaesthetics for poultry All I'm seeking some help on the above. Is there anybody out there who is an expert in anaesthetics or who can put me in touch with such a person? Specifically, I'm trying to find out what is the most humane, 'best' anaesthetic for poultry. Some researchers want to minimise the movements in chickens prior to euthanasia, so are seeking an anaesthetic that does not distress the birds at all. We also have to consider human health and safety issues - and cost! Carol "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mahatma Gandhi Carol Petherick Senior Scientist (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) Queensland Beef Industry Institute Tropical Beef Centre PO Box 5545 Central Qld Mail Centre Rockhampton Qld 4702 Australia email: petherc@dpi.qld.gov.au tel: (0)7 4923 8200 fax: (0)7 4923 8222 From: IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" "Garner, Joseph P." 6-DEC-1999 19:36:05.51 To: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "'Petherick, Carol (TBC)'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" CC: Subj: RE: Anaesthetics for poultry We have just spent a long time here weighing up the pros and cons of different euthenasia methods in Broilers. In the end we felt that argon anoxia was our most welfare-friendly bet (cervical dislocation was our second choice, but bearing in mind the uncertainty over how this method actually kills the bird, we were unhappy about possible welfare implications). Mohan Raj's work indicates that the birds loose consciousness before they die under argon anoxia - he actually measures brain activity and sensory coretx activity. We steered-clear of barbiturates because broilers show an unpredictable variation in lethal dose. Let me know if you want to know more. Cheers Joe ___________________________ Dr. Joseph Garner University of California Department of Animal Science One Shields Avenue Davis CA 95616 USA Phone: (530) 754 5291 > -----Original Message----- > From: Petherick, Carol (TBC) [mailto:PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 5:26 PM > To: 'ethology' > Subject: Anaesthetics for poultry > > > All > I'm seeking some help on the above. Is there anybody out > there who is an > expert in anaesthetics or who can put me in touch with such a person? > Specifically, I'm trying to find out what is the most humane, 'best' > anaesthetic for poultry. Some researchers want to minimise > the movements in > chickens prior to euthanasia, so are seeking an anaesthetic > that does not > distress the birds at all. We also have to consider human > health and safety > issues - and cost! > > Carol > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be > judged by the way > its animals are treated." > Mahatma Gandhi > > Carol Petherick > Senior Scientist (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) > Queensland Beef Industry Institute > Tropical Beef Centre > PO Box 5545 > Central Qld Mail Centre > Rockhampton > Qld 4702 > Australia > > email: petherc@dpi.qld.gov.au > tel: (0)7 4923 8200 > fax: (0)7 4923 8222 > From: IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk" "Chris Sherwin" 7-DEC-1999 03:25:38.75 To: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" Subj: RE: Anaesthetics for poultry Carol, A Home Office (UK) schedule 1 approved method of euthanasia is to place animals in a slowly rising concentration of CO2. I have no personal experience of this method, but I am told that if the CO2 concentration rises at the correct rate, the birds do not enter a state of hyper-excitability and calmly 'go to sleep'. Perhaps this method could be used, although with the rapid gaseous exchange in the air sacs of birds , I think any period of anaesthesia might be quite short term? Hope this helps, Chris On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:26:10 +1000 "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" wrote: > All > I'm seeking some help on the above. Is there anybody out there who is > an > expert in anaesthetics or who can put me in touch with such a person? > Specifically, I'm trying to find out what is the most humane, 'best' > anaesthetic for poultry. Some researchers want to minimise the > movements in > chickens prior to euthanasia, so are seeking an anaesthetic that does > not > distress the birds at all. We also have to consider human health and > safety > issues - and cost! > > Carol > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the > way > its animals are treated." > Mahatma Gandhi > > Carol Petherick > Senior Scientist (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) > Queensland Beef Industry Institute > Tropical Beef Centre > PO Box 5545 > Central Qld Mail Centre > Rockhampton > Qld 4702 > Australia > > email: petherc@dpi.qld.gov.au > tel: (0)7 4923 8200 > fax: (0)7 4923 8222 > ---------------------- Dr. Chris M. Sherwin Division of Animal Health and Husbandry University of Bristol Langford House Langford Bristol BS40 5DU Phone: (0117) 928 9486 Fax: (0117) 928 9582 E-mail chris.sherwin@bris.ac.uk From: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" 7-DEC-1999 16:16:07.45 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" CC: Subj: FW: Anaesthetics for poultry Hi everyone I thought the group may be interested in this response I had. Laura would have sent it to the group herself, but is having problems. Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacobson, Laura [SMTP:jacobsonl@agresearch.cri.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:13 PM > To: 'Petherick, Carol (TBC)' > Subject: RE: Anaesthetics for poultry > > Hi Carol, > I'll have to send this to you personally as I can't seem to post anything > on > the list - just bounces back. Anyway, I have a book called "Laboratory > Animal Anaesthesia, Second Edition: A Practical Introduction for Research > Workers and Technicians. P.A. Flecknell, Academic Press Ltd 1996. ISBN > 0-12-260361-3". It doesn't cover birds as well as it does other animals, > but > has a section for "Other species" which has some information about birds, > including a bit on pre-anaesthetics (ketamine and metomidate), injectables > for general anaesthesia (ketamine with xylazine, or with diazepam or > midazolam; Alphaxalone/alphadolone; equithesin), and inhalation agents > (apparently the anaesthetic of choice for birds - isoflourane better than > halothane). The book has dose rates and other useful bits of information. > References in the text include: > Green, CJ (1981) "Animal Anaesthesia" Theyden Bois, Laboratory Animals > Ltd, > Essex > Samour, JH, Jones DM, Knight JA and Howlett JC (1984) Comparative studies > of > the use of some injectable anaesthetic agents in birds. Veterinary Record > 115, 6-11 > Harrison GJ and Harrison LR (1986 ) "Clinical Avian Medicine and Surgery" > Saunders, Philadelphia. > > ANZCCART (Australian and New Zealand Council for the Care of Animals in > Research and Teaching, PO Box 19, Glen Osmond SA 5064, Australia), in > their > publication "Euthanasia of Animals Used for Scientific Purposes, 1993", > recommend carbon dioxide, methoxyflurane, and sodium pentobarbitone as > chemical euthanasia methods for birds. (They also have cervical > dislocation > or shooting for physical methods, although obviously this isn't what you'd > be wanting as they'd flap a lot). > > Hope the above might be of use to you. > Regards > Laura Jacobson. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Petherick, Carol (TBC) [mailto:PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 1999 14:26 > To: 'ethology' > Subject: Anaesthetics for poultry > > > All > I'm seeking some help on the above. Is there anybody out there who is an > expert in anaesthetics or who can put me in touch with such a person? > Specifically, I'm trying to find out what is the most humane, 'best' > anaesthetic for poultry. Some researchers want to minimise the movements > in > chickens prior to euthanasia, so are seeking an anaesthetic that does not > distress the birds at all. We also have to consider human health and > safety > issues - and cost! > > Carol > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way > its animals are treated." > Mahatma Gandhi > > Carol Petherick > Senior Scientist (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) > Queensland Beef Industry Institute > Tropical Beef Centre > PO Box 5545 > Central Qld Mail Centre > Rockhampton > Qld 4702 > Australia > > email: petherc@dpi.qld.gov.au > tel: (0)7 4923 8200 > fax: (0)7 4923 8222 From: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com" 12-DEC-1999 13:44:22.56 To: CC: Subj: Second Hand Smoke Can anyone on this list tell me if any there has been any studies published on second hand smoke of house pets? I have a case of an Irish Wolfhound that is down with no indications of what is wrong, except for internal bleeding. The animal lives in a home of heavy smokers. This has started me thinking about what behaviors may show up as a result of second hand smoke. Thank you and I hope someone may have this information and is willing to share. George Phillip Quinlan All About Dogs Behavior Center From: IN%"emilypk@bumail.bradley.edu" "Emily Patterson-Kane" 12-DEC-1999 14:04:42.46 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: shelter study Hi all, I am interested in starting some research into the behaviour of shelter dogs. Therefore I would be interested in any information or opinions about... - Quick tests of dog temperament - Ideas about research designs which would be practical with a high turnover population. i.e. There is not telling how long each animal will be there and it is usually a matter of days rather than weeks. - Also, I would be interested in opinions about how to best enrich dog cages, for isolated animals. I have found articles relating to chewing objects only. Emily From: IN%"morrowc@agresearch.cri.nz" "Morrow, Catherine" 12-DEC-1999 15:08:49.65 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" CC: Subj: (Fwd) Ann: Management of health and welfare > For those who tried to access the website for the European Association for > Animal production Annual meeting and were not successful ... > > The correct website address is: eaap2000.wau.nl > > Regards, > Catherine Morrow > > > > In 2000, The European Association for Animal production organizes its > Annual meeting in The Hague, The Netherlands, August 21-24. The commission > on Animal Management and Health organizes sessions on: > > * Management of health and welfare I: measuring and monitoring > * Management of health and welfare II: process control and certification > * Alternative housing systems for pigs and poultry > * Livestock production and water quality > * High yielding dairy cows: integration of physiology, nutrition, > management and health aspects. > > In addition, two free communication sessions are to be organized. > > During the conference, also sessions will be organized on Genetics, Animal > Nutrition, Animal Physiology, Cattle Production, Sheep and Goat > production, Pig Production and Horse Production. Full details on the > programme can be found on http://eaap2000.wa > > Deadline for receipts of abstracts is March 1, 2000. > > From: IN%"elfhund@hotmail.com" "Brenda Reed" 12-DEC-1999 19:22:29.15 To: IN%"emilypk@bumail.bradley.edu", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: shelter study Hello everyone -- I am interested in this topic and the same sort of possibilities for cats who are held in shelters. Thanks so much, Brenda Reed >From: Emily Patterson-Kane >To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca >Subject: shelter study >Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:04:25 -0600 > > > Hi all, > > I am interested in starting some research into the behaviour of >shelter dogs. Therefore I would be interested in any information or >opinions about... > > - Quick tests of dog temperament > - Ideas about research designs which would be practical with a high >turnover population. i.e. There is not telling how long each animal will >be >there and it is usually a matter of days rather than weeks. > - Also, I would be interested in opinions about how to best enrich >dog cages, for isolated animals. I have found articles relating to chewing >objects only. > > Emily ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: IN%"elfhund@hotmail.com" "Brenda Reed" 12-DEC-1999 19:25:42.98 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Mother cat and kitten behavior; purring Does anyone know of any writing on the interactions between mother cats and their kittens? I am particularly interested in greeting behaviors. Also does anything exist on how cats purr when two or more cats are together? Do they synchronize their purring? and so forth. For those who are interested in my cat Stanley, I want to add that this is his first Christmas and he's spending a lot of time in the Christmas tree. He knocks the ornaments off and then hunts them, but he also will just work his way high into the branches and then lie concealed and watching what's going on in the room. Brenda Reed ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN BREGMAN" 13-DEC-1999 12:42:21.94 To: IN%"emilypk@bumail.bradley.edu" "Emily Patterson-Kane", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: shelter study At 02:04 PM 12/12/1999 -0600, Emily Patterson-Kane wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am interested in starting some research into the behaviour of >shelter dogs. Therefore I would be interested in any information or >opinions about... > > - Quick tests of dog temperament > - Ideas about research designs which would be practical with a high >turnover population. i.e. There is not telling how long each animal will be >there and it is usually a matter of days rather than weeks. > - Also, I would be interested in opinions about how to best enrich >dog cages, for isolated animals. I have found articles relating to chewing >objects only. > > Emily Sue Sternberg has done a lot of work on this. Herewith a post about her work, how to get in touch with her, and how to get her video. Hope this helps The video is great, is $25 plus s & h. You can reach Sue at suecarmen@aol.com . It's very nuts and bolts. Not long (25 minutes, I think), not chatting, but quite didactic. Basic common-sense things like how to read the dog's body language, how to do her safety S.C.A.N. (which gives you a quick way to check whether this dog is likely to bite, given characteristics such as sexual maturity and behavior), and how to get the dog out of the kennel and back in without being bitten. Using double-leash techniques which minimize handling, she shows you how to handle the fearful or potentially reactive dogs. It's worth seeing, I think. Vivian Vivian Bregman -- dog trainer for forty years -- interested in everything to do with science, and animals, especially behavior --- vbregman@interactive.net From: IN%"meredith@farmline.com" "Michael Meredith" 13-DEC-1999 17:32:28.76 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Ethology Posting" CC: Subj: Ethical issues in livestock farming New Book: Livestock, Ethics & Quality of Life ================================== List members may be interested to know that CAB International has just published this new book which originated in a special symposium held at the 1998 World Congress on Animal Production. Additional specially commissioned chapters have subsequently added to provide a more comprehensive and balanced account of this topic. Detailed contents and photo of the book available at: http://www.pighealth.com/ethics.htm Michael Meredith From: IN%"kastelic@EM.AGR.CA" "John Kastelic" 14-DEC-1999 11:50:41.78 To: IN%"mconnor@cc.umanitoba.ca", IN%"modrict@cc.umanitoba.ca", IN%"ummath15@cc.umanitoba.ca", IN%"anand@lighthouse.usask.ca", IN%"crellin@duke.usask.ca", IN%"gillio@duke.usask.ca", IN%"gummer@duke.usask.ca", IN%"rodway@duke.usask.ca", IN%"swanc@duke.usask CC: Subj: CWSRB To: Members of the Canada West Society for Reproductive Biology I recently sent a memo to determine the interest in holding a CWSRB = meeting in Lethbridge in February, 2000. I have received very few = replies, and certainly not enough positive ones to justify going ahead = with this meeting. It appears that the future of the CWSRB is at a crossroads and a decision = is needed. I would prefer to make this decision based on input from many = people. There does not seem to be a desire for annual meetings. = Furthermore, driving long distances in the winter can be risky. In the = past, the CWSRB meetings brought together people with common interests and = provided a forum for graduate students to present an abstract or poster to = a small and 'friendly' audience. I think that these objectives remain = valid. Perhaps we need to modify the logistics (e.g. frequency, time of = year, location) to make this meeting viable. Alternatively, we choose to = discontinue these meetings. In discussions with some of my colleagues, it was suggested that the = meeting be held in Saskatoon in June, in conjunction with the June = conference for veterinarians (held every second year at WCVM). Although = most of the members are not veterinarians, 'piggy backing' onto another = meeting makes it much easier to organize. Another alternative would be to = meet sometime between the end of April and the end of August. Since many = meetings are held in July and August, it might be best to meet right at = the end of April or very early May. I expect that we would continue to = have short abstracts and poster presentations. The length of the meeting = would be dictated by the number of abstracts and posters. =20 Please contact me as soon as possible with your thoughts and ideas. The = proposed options for 2000 are to meet in Lethbridge on February 24-26, or = in Saskatoon around the time of the June conference (June 8 to 10). If = you have alternative suggestions, including, for example, that further = meetings are not viable, please tell me! =20 I am certain that my email list is not complete; therefore, please feel = free to send this to anyone that you think should be getting it but is not = on my list. I look forward to hearing from you! John Kastelic AAFC Lethbridge Research Centre Box 3000, Lethbridge, AB T1J 4B1 403-317-2236 (direct) 403-382-3156 (fax) kastelic@em.agr.ca From: IN%"Nora_Lewis@UManitoba.CA" "Nora Lewis" 14-DEC-1999 13:21:01.38 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: tonic immobility All, If anyone has information, especially references, on tonic immobility I would appreciate the information. A graduate student who has been doing chip implants in wild rodents has noticed this phenomena and would like to learn more about it. I would be interested in information on this with respect to the likelyhood of analgesic properties being a part of this response. Nora -- Nora Lewis, Ph.D., DVM Department of Animal Science, University of Manitoba, 12 Dafoe Rd., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. R3T 2N2 phone: 204 474-9443 fax: 204 474-7628 From: IN%"fret76@hotmail.com" "Marrit van Engen" 14-DEC-1999 14:14:00.88 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: introduction Dear listmembers, My name is Marrit van Engen from the Netherlands. I was asked to introduce myself and I will do this briefly. I just graduated from the Agricultural University in Wageningen (agricultural husbandry). An important part of my study dealt with ethology. That is the reason why I subscribed. I am mostly interested in swine behaviour and reproduction. At the moment I am looking for the right job; I would like to become a researcher. With regards, Marrit van Engen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com" 14-DEC-1999 14:59:32.03 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: information needed Can anyone on this list tell me if any there has been any studies published on second hand smoke of house pets? I have a case of an Irish Wolfhound that lives in a home of heavy smokers. This has started me thinking about what behaviors may show up as a result of second hand smoke. Thank you and I hope someone may have this information George Phillip Quinlan All About Dogs Behavior Center From: IN%"borell@landw.uni-halle.de" 15-DEC-1999 08:46:24.03 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" CC: Subj: RE: Castration of piglets Date sent: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:57:48 +0100 From: Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no Subject: Castration of piglets To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca > Dear All, > > A Norwegian TV station recently created a stir with a programme about > castration of piglets. The unsuspecting viewers were, as usual, shocked to > witness normal animal production practices. > > My question for you: What countries have forbidden this practice, and what > has been the consumer response concerning meat quality (odour problems)? > > Hans Petter Kjæstad > The Norwegian School of Veterinary Science > > hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no > > Castration of male piglets is practised in most European countries. In contrast to GB, heavier pigs (> 110 kg) are produced. These pigs would definitively create problems (behaviour and boar taint). At least in Germany, boar taint in the meat would not be accepted by the consumer. The debate on castration as a welfare problem relates more to the procedure (with or without anaesthesia) and age of castration. EU-regulation allows castration without anaesthesia up to 4 wk of age. There are some discussions going on whether pigs should be anaesthetised at an earlier age. The benefits and potential disadvantages of such a procedure for the welfare of piglets are currenly investigated. Another option under investigation is immunocastration, where pigs are immunised against their own reproductive hormones. However, this method would create again the problem with consumer acceptance as "artificial modified hormones" are injected into animals (see debate on bST or pST). E. von Borell ********************************************************************** Dr. Eberhard von Borell Professor of Animal Husbandry & Livestock Ecology Institute of Animal Breeding and Husbandry with Veterinary Clinic Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg Adam-Kuckhoff-Str. 35 D-06108 Halle GERMANY Phone: (49)-345-5522331/2 Fax: (49)-345-5527106 E-Mail: BORELL@landw.uni-halle.de ********************************************************************** From: IN%"mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 15-DEC-1999 08:46:50.20 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: A-E Hot Topic of C21 Jon et al > what will be the important A-E issues in the future? Here are two attempts at a response, both in a sense issues arising from applied ethology rather AE as such; one relatively specific and one extremely general. First, should we phase out certain categories of animals altogether, or almost entirely? If we can manage without cows, or laboratory mice, or pet alligators, or zoo elephants, should we stop keeping them? This question is partly addressed to those, particularly supporters of animal rights, who believe that what we do to such animals - including killing them when they are no longer useful - is unacceptable. And the question is loaded, because I believe the answer is generally No: that while a cow's life is not as good as it could be, it is still better for the cow to have lived than not. So I think we should concentrate on giving animals better lives rather than on stopping using them. Another version of the question, then, is How do we develop a workable approach that takes into account concerns about both animal rights and utilitarian maximization of benefit (to both animals and humans)? And what will that mean for animals? For example, should we move to having fewer farm animals (and eating less meat) but keeping them better? That leads on to the second issue: How do we integrate varied concerns? The way we keep animals affects the environment, food safety and quality, security of income for farmers (I really feel we need to move towards a position where applied ethologists and those concerned for animal welfare are fighting with farmers and other 'animal users' rather than against them) and so on. How do we sort out our priorities? I suppose this can be seen as The Big Question: As we look forward over the next thousand years or so, what should be our aims for the future of humanity? Or to focus it a bit more, How do we begin to do applied ethology of humans? For those of you reading this early in the morning, I apologise. Happy Christmas, Mike > Here's one for all you Profs, students, researchers, vets, > bunny-huggers etc. who think you can put a name to what's hot and > what's not in applied ethology. > > I've seen a couple of tv specials on "the most influential people of > the past millenium", or "the most significant events of the century". > These are fun, but as we teeter on the edge of a new millenium (ok, so > it doesn't actually start for another year;-) or maybe a global power > outage, it seems like a good time to look forward as well as back. > > So my question is, what will be the important A-E issues in the > future? Interpret the question any way you like; philosophically, > technically, ethically. Think global, if you like. Or else on a more > personal scale. What will be important to you, what would you like to > see more of and why? > > Anyone want to comment on that? > > Cheers! > > Jon > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- Jon Watts (___) ) > ) University of Saskatchewan |o o|___________/ > ( Dept of Herd Medicine O \#/ | > ) and Theriogenology |bser| | Statistical | > ( Western College of Vet. Med. |vati| | analysis | > ) 52 Campus Drive |ons.| \___________/| > *& Saskatoon ------ || || > %$#@ S7N 1B4 / \ || > || ^*@*~ Canada &^%%#$@ > wattsjon@duke.usask.ca "The Holy Cow" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Michael Appleby Dr M.C. Appleby Director of Postgraduate Studies in Agriculture & Resource Economics Institute of Ecology and Resource Management University of Edinburgh West Mains Road Edinburgh EH9 3JG, UK Tel. +44 131 535 4098 Fax. +44 131 667 2601 Email mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk or michael.appleby@ed.ac.uk From: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" 15-DEC-1999 08:47:18.69 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Castration of piglets Dear All, A Norwegian TV station recently created a stir with a programme about castration of piglets. The unsuspecting viewers were, as usual, shocked to witness normal animal production practices. My question for you: What countries have forbidden this practice, and what has been the consumer response concerning meat quality (odour problems)? Hans Petter Kj=E6stad The Norwegian School of Veterinary Science hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no From: IN%"d.arey@ab.sac.ac.uk" 15-DEC-1999 08:47:30.77 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: piglet castration Dear Hans Piglet castration is very rare in the UK. The welfare codes recommend: Castration {HYPERLINK \l "(4)"} is a mutilation and should be avoided wherever possible. If it cannot be avoided, it must be carried out in accordance with the law by a veterinary surgeon or by a competent trained operator where a layman is permitted to undertake the operation. Pigs are generally marketed at less than 100 kg and boar taint therefore does not appear to be a problem. Dale Dale Arey GIBiol PhD SAC Animal Biology Division Ferguson Building Craibstone Aberdeen AB21 9YA UK Tel: 01224 711058 From: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com" 15-DEC-1999 10:25:46.50 To: IN%"FISH6996@aol.com", IN%"ielliott@vcn.com" CC: IN%"pawshine@hotmail.com", IN%"blackmos@ummhc.org", IN%"billcamp@cdsnet.net", IN%"sebcave@hotmail.com", IN%"dogtranr@rof.net", IN%"cjclark@trib.com", IN%"Littledjon@aol.com", IN%"anvilie@sover.net", IN%"annimule@sover.net", IN%"Khanwe@aol.com", IN%"Ver Subj: Brightest Moon in 133 years! Subject: The brightest full moon in 133 years. > >>On Dec 22, the full moon will occur on Winter Solstice. Since a full moon on >>the winter solstice occurs in conjunction with a lunar perigee (the point in >>which the moon's orbit is closest to Earth), the moon will appear about 14% >>larger than it does at apogee (the point in its elliptical orbit when it is >>farthest from the Earth). Since the Earth is also several million miles >>closer to the sun at this time of the year than in the summer, sunlight >>striking the moon is about 7% stronger, making it >>appear brighter. Also, this will be the closest perigee of the Moon of the >>year since the moon's orbit is constantly deforming. >> >>In laymen's terms it will be a super bright full moon, much brighter than >>the usual AND it hasn't happened this way for 133 years! The last time this >>happened, on December 21st, 1866, the Lakota Sioux took advantage of the >>exceptionally bright moonlight and staged a devastating retaliatory ambush >>on soldiers in the Wyoming Territory. >> >>Look for an eastern looking, hiking or paddling place, and between Dec. 20 >>and Dec. 24 you can enjoy some good nature activities in the moonshine. >> >>If you want to go straight from dusk to full "moonshine", go early (i.e. >>around Dec. 20) since the moon rises earlier before the full moon. After the >>22nd start your hike late. >> >>Independently of the millenium, this is a unique natural phenomena that will >>occur once in your lifetime. Don't miss the lunacy!!