From: IN%"Linda.Keeling@hmh.slu.se" "Linda Keeling" 16-DEC-1998 10:39:47.61 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Nordic ISAE registration due now Just a quick mail to remind Nordic members of the ISAE that registrations for the regional meeting in Skara in January should be sent in this week. Thanks, Linda Keeling From: IN%"ilsmith@utkux.utcc.utk.edu" "Ione Smith" 17-DEC-1998 16:17:45.10 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"ETHOLOGY@SEGATE.SUNET.SE", IN%"AVSAB-L@utkvm1.utk.edu" Subj: animal behavior (fwd) I just got this request, thought I'd forward it along. Feel free to ignore. Ione ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:26:29 -0500 From: officek@idt.net To: ilsmith@utkux.utcc.utk.edu Subject: animal behavior I am currently conducting research for a television program on unusual animal behavior. Do you have any suggestions on where I might find information on unusual behavior of the following animals: 1. Lemmings 2. European eels 3. Norwegian eagles 4. Butterflies I'd appreciate any assistance you can offer. -- Office Kei (Japanese TV) 110 East 42nd Street Suite 1419 New York, NY 10017 212-983-7479 keishagaye@aol.com From: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol" 17-DEC-1998 19:28:58.47 To: IN%"joseph.stookey@usask.ca" "'joseph.stookey@usask.ca'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "applied-ethology" CC: IN%"STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Do non-pregnant cows act different? Joe and others I think I actually posted this observation to the group previously, but here goes again. Here in Oz I have also heard that pregnant and non-pregnant cows behave differently when they have their calves weaned. The way we wean here is to draft-off the calves and hold them in yards. The cows are then often held for some time in paddocks adjacent to the yards before being returned to their paddocks. I'm told that pregnant cows will wander away from the yards and will return to their paddocks easily, but non-pregnant cows will hang near the yards and be very difficult to drive away. I'm assured this is a reliable method of pregnancy diagnosis, but I'm not putting money on it!! To my knowledge nobody has actually studied/documented this formally. Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: joseph.stookey@usask.ca [SMTP:joseph.stookey@usask.ca] > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 1998 4:13 > To: applied-ethology > Cc: STOOKEY@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: Do non-pregnant cows act different? > > > Dear All (especially those interested in real seperation-anxiety), > > A regular contributor of Beef Magazine, Heather Smith Thomas who along > with her husband operate the Sky Range Ranch near Salmon, ID, writes in > the November 1998 Beef issue the following: > > "We learned years ago that older cows are easy to wean off their > calves, but first-time mamas and open cows are determined not to lose > their babies. They'll go through several fences to get back to them. > Some don't give up even after they've dried up their milk." > "Pregnant cows (especially ones that have already had calves) seem > to know they'll have another baby and are unconcerned about weaning, but > an open cow is quite stubborn about not wanting to give up her child. In > late summer on the range many of our old gals will start kicking their > calves off before we bring them home to wean. If some old cow sticks to > her baby like glue, never letting him out of sight, we start to wonder if > she might be open." > > Has anyone ever heard of or observed differences in a cow's > behaviour post weaning that could be related to the cow's current > pregnancy status? I am amazed/skeptical that the behavioural responses of > cows post weaning could be so consistently different between pregnant and > open cows as to observe such an association and formulate a hypothesis of > this nature. I am sure the sociobiologist could explain and except this, > but my scientific skepticism makes me reluctant to accept this until I > hear of additional observations or data to substantiate this claim. > Has anyone else ever observed such differences? > > If such differences did exist, I would think they would be more related to > body condition and lactational status and only indirectly and remotely > related to pregnancy status. > > Forever the open-minded skeptic, > > Joe Stookey > > ------------------------------ > Joseph M. Stookey > Department of Herd Medicine and Theriogenology > Western College of Veterinary Medicine > University of Saskatchewan > Saskatoon, Saskatchewan > S7N 5B4 From: IN%"bjarne.braastad@ihf.nlh.no" "Bjarne O. Braastad" 18-DEC-1998 08:54:50.70 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE'99 Lillehammer: Updated congress information Dear colleagues, Those of you who are ISAE members received with the Autumn Newsletter the First Announcement and Call for Abstracts for the 33rd International Congress of the ISAE (Int. Soc. for Applied Ethology), Lillehammer, Norway, 17th-21st August 1999.=20 At our web site: http://org.nlh.no/isae99 you will find an extended version of the First Announcement, together with an electronic abstract submission form (click on the word 'Abstract'). Here are also links to hotels, sightseeing places, and Lillehammer city. (The layout of the pages will be improved). Deadline for abstract submission is 20th January 1999. Later we will update the web site with new information when appropriate, so put the address in your bookmarks/favourites and check now and then.=20 Here is some of the new information: In addition to Prof. Paul Hemsworth as the D.G.M. Wood-Gush Memorial Lecturer on 'Human-Animal Relationships', we have got Prof. Jaap Koolhaas, Univ. of Groningen, The Netherlands, to give a plenary lecture on the second main topic 'Aggression, Fear, and Coping'.=20 As indicated in the First Announcement, ISAE Council has decided that we shall give some (but not total!) priority to young scientists when selecting oral contributions. This was defined by ISAE Council to be PhD students or within 3 years after PhD degree. In our First Announcement we wrote PhD or within 5 years after. However, we will be somewhat flexible about this date. Remember to put the year of received or expected PhD degree on the Abstract Submission Form. We have received a fair amount of sponsor income from Norwegian farm animal associations and the Norwegian Research Council. Therefore we are happy to be able to reduce the Registration fees considerably. By now these are the most probable fees, and they include excellent lunches from Wednesday to Saturday as it will be cheaper this way. (Those staying for fewer days will pay a reduced fee). ISAE member: NOK 1400 (before 1st May 1999) Non-member: NOK 1900 MSc/PhD student: NOK 850 Accompanying person: NOK 150 After 1st May 1999 the fees will be higher (about NOK 1800, 2300, 1000, 250, respectively). By now, the exchange rates are: US$ 1 =3D NOK 7.60; UK= =A3 1 =3D NOK 12.70. Prices for accommodation is found on our web site. We have got UK=A3 1000 from ISAE's Conference Fund, and added some of our money, to be able to use about NOK 20,000 to support a few participants from developing countries who have problems with low or no funding. Applications for this, together with a written support from the head of the department or other appropriate person, should be sent to us before 1st April 1999. Applicants will receive an answer before the first deadline of the Registration Form (which is 1st May 1999). The Second Announcement with Registration and Accommodation Forms etc. will be sent out with the ISAE Newsletter of spring 1999 (in March-early April). Those not being an ISAE member, can send an e-mail to: isae99@ihf.nlh.no, and give their address to which we can send the Second Announcement. Any questions can be sent to me: isae99@ihf.nlh.no Have nice holidays. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you.=20 I hope to see quite a lot of you in Lillehammer next summer. Why don't you bring your family and combine the travel with a vacation in Norway? I will recommend to take the vacation before the congress, as autumn may come quite early after it.=20 Yours sincerely, Bjarne O. Braastad **************************************************************************** **** Dr. Bjarne O. Braastad, Assoc. Prof. of Ethology, Chairman of the Organising Committee 33rd International Congress of the ISAE (International Society for Applied Ethology), 17-21 August 1999, Lillehammer, Norway Address: Dept. of Animal Science, Agricultural University of Norway, P.O. Box 5025, N-1432 Aas, Norway e-mail: isae99@ihf.nlh.no =20 fax: +47 64 94 79 60 phone: +47 64 94 79 80 http://org.nlh.no/isae99 From: IN%"JSWANSON@oz.oznet.ksu.edu" 18-DEC-1998 09:38:12.67 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE Subs Dear ISAE members, I am receiving incredible amounts of subscription mail and very pleased that members are paying their dues. Although the position of membership secretary has moved to the US the ISAE bank accounts reside in the UK with our treasurer Jeremey Marchant. After recording your payments I bulk mail them to Jeremy for deposit. Please do not make your checks or bank orders in U.S. dollars. We are still working in British currency and the subscription rates have not changed. For those of you who have sent me $10.00 USD I will be returning your checks and orders for correction. The checks should be or 10 pounds (sorry can't seem to bring the symbol up for British currency on my email system)not 10 USD. Even if I exchanged the money for British currency you would be at a severe deficit for your payment. Thank you for your cooperation. Janice Swanson ISAE Membership Secretary From: IN%"rushenj@EM.AGR.CA" "Jeff Rushen" 18-DEC-1998 11:04:50.90 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: water intake rates of cows Hi, Does anyone have any recent or unpublished data on the rate that dairy cattle drink water (litres or gallons per minute). I have various estimates ranging from 4 to 10 litres/min as an average, but I am interested in knowing the maximum. Most recommendations are for 20L/min. I want to be able to supply water at a truly ad lib rate. I am allowing all cows to drink at the same time at a rate of 20litres per minute. Does this sound reasonable as a "maximum possible" intake? Also does anyone have an idea what is the minimum amount of water cows usually drink at a time. Is it likely that a cow will drink less than say 300 ml at a single time? I would be grateful for any help, thanks, Jeff Rushen ************************************************** Jeffrey Rushen, Ph. D. Dairy and Swine Research and Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, PO Box 90, 2000 Road 108 East, Lennoxville, Quebec, Canada J1M 1Z3 Ph. 1-819-5659174 ext 206 Fax. 1-819-5645507 Email. rushenj@em.agr.ca ************************************************** ************************************************** Jeffrey Rushen, Ph. D. Dairy and Swine Research and Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, PO Box 90, 2000 Road 108 East, Lennoxville, Quebec, Canada J1M 1Z3 Ph. 1-819-5659174 ext 206 Fax. 1-819-5645507 Email. rushenj@em.agr.ca ************************************************** ! ! From: IN%"luescher@vet.purdue.edu" "Andrew Luescher" 18-DEC-1998 15:38:11.97 To: IN%"claude.beata@wanadoo.fr", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: separation anxiety Claude, Peggy and others Of course, most people in North America consider over-attachment to be at the root of the problem of Separation Anxiety. I also need to emphasize that the use of rigid criteria for diagnosing any behavioral problem is but one school in North America, and does not represent "the North American School". When I analyzed my case load, I found that separation anxiety starts at a later age thatn other behavior problems. This finding is probably biased by the fact that many of these dogs have been obtained through shelters at a later age (i.e. not as puppies). We therefore do not have data to show that separation anxiety is a continuation of attachment of the puppy to its mother or owner. In most clinical cases we cannot obtain information to determine this. The treatment of separation anxiety practiced in North America is not much different than that proposed by you. As supportive treatment, I emphasize the importance of twice-daily exercise, mostly to encourage exposure to people, dogs, etc, and to reduce anxiety in a non-specific way. Another important point is to address other problems, especially fearfulness, hyperactivity, etc, that contribute to a high level of anxiety when separated from the owners. Since your talk in Spain I also start to wonder if a active attempt to socialize the dog with other people might not be beneficial in reducing the over-attachment to the owner. What do you think? Claude, I would appreciate it if you could give some references from accessible scientific journals of frech research papers with statistical analysis of data. I'm happy to read French. Thank you so much. Best wishes for the Holidays and the New Year. Andrew At 08:05 PM 12/10/98 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Peggy > >Thank you for you enthusiasm ! >=20 >peggy shunick wrote: > >> A fellow named Bowlby, who observed children in British orphanages >> during >> the second world war, wrote the definitive works on attachment and >> separation (1969). He was joined by an American researcher from Johns >> Hopkins named Ainsworth. Together, they explored attachment and loss >> in >> humans. There's LOTS of literature. >> >> For my Masters Thesis, I watched people with their 4-4 1/2 month old >> puppies in a modified, structured observation known as the Strange >> Situation (Mary Ainsworth) to see if the dogs would demonstrate >> attachment >> behaviors toward their humans. Shouldn't we, at this point, be asking, >> "Are >> dogs attached to people and, if so, what does it look like?" The >> answer to >> this question might open up more than operant models to behaviorists >> and >> therapists dealing with humans and their dogs that display out of >> control >> behaviors. >> =20 > > =20 >I agree with many of your questions. Our group in France decided last >year to work on the "strange situation". Sure, Bowlby did a huge work >about attachment and even if we can't keep everything now, we can't >keeping on thinking without what we learned from him. If you (and >anybody else) is interested in the links between attachment and canine >behaviours disorders , I can send you a text I wrote for my >certification "Attachment : Roots of balance and behavior disorders" but >it is in French=85 I do think that many, many of the disorders we have to >deal with, are linked with a problem of attachment. Different grades, >different moments lead to different symptoms. > >That is a really big point. > >Thank you to everybody for your answers and your interest. > >Claude Beata >DVM >Clinical Ethology graduate >Veterinary behaviourist certifed by FNVS > > > > From: IN%"DMCWILLIAMS@APS.UoGuelph.CA" "Deborah McWilliams" 19-DEC-1998 10:29:22.43 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: separation anxiety Helo Dr. Luescher! Thank you for your reply. > When I analyzed my case load, I found that separation anxiety starts at a > later age thatn other behavior problems. This finding is probably biased by > the fact that many of these dogs have been obtained through shelters at a > later age (i.e. not as puppies). We therefore do not have data to show that > separation anxiety is a continuation of attachment of the puppy to its > mother or owner. In most clinical cases we cannot obtain information to > determine this. The scenario questioned was about pups raised to be working dogs (guide dogs, rescue aids, special needs, hearing ear dogs) that must be crate trained by the foster families. Foster families having been returning pups because of the barking, defecating and urinating that occurs in the crate when the family is not home. > separated from the owners. Since your talk in Spain I also start to wonder > if a active attempt to socialize the dog with other people might not be > beneficial in reducing the over-attachment to the owner. What do you think? This may be a factor. These are usually first time foster families who invest a lot of time in effort for "their dog" to graduate from the training program. They view the dog's performance as a direct reflection of their ability (or, abilities) as suitable foster families. DebMcW dmcwilliams@aps.uoguelph.ca Deborah A. McWilliams Room 043, Animal and Poultry Science University of Guelph Guelph, ON, Canada, N1G 2X7 From: IN%"DMCWILLIAMS@APS.UoGuelph.CA" "Deborah McWilliams" 20-DEC-1998 10:15:11.05 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: separation anxiety Note re: my reply to Dr. Luescher: Dr. Luescher had wrote: > separated from the owners. Since your talk in Spain I also start to wonder > > if a active attempt to socialize the dog with other people might not be > > beneficial in reducing the over-attachment to the owner. What do you think? This does not refer to "my talk". Dr. Luescher is referring to another individual and I was replying to Dr. Luescher's reply to that individual. Ciao!!! DebMcW dmcwilliams@aps.uoguelph.ca Deborah A. McWilliams Room 043, Animal and Poultry Science University of Guelph Guelph, ON, Canada, N1G 2X7 From: IN%"spinka@novell.vuzv.cz" "Marek Spinka" 21-DEC-1998 03:27:01.52 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"tenderly@ltk.unizh.ch" "Matthias Duerschlag", IN%"Petra.Mertens@lrz.uni-muenchen.de" "Dr. Petra A. Mertens" CC: Subj: Collection of salive for hormone assays Hi everybody, We are starting a project in maternal behaviour of sows and want to assess their cortisol levels without blood sampling. The options are saliva and urine. Has anybody an experience in persuading pigs (or other mammals) to chew a cotton bug VOLUNTARILY? The sows are restrained in farrowing crates, so we can easily offer anything directly just before their snouts. Urine can be collected easily, but the disadvantage, of course, is that it is impossible to collect it at predetermined times. I would welcome any comments or suggestions about how to smoohtly collect saliva or urine in pigs. All the best, Marek Marek Spinka Group of Ethology Research Institute of Animal Production P.O. Box 1 CZ - 104 01 Prague - Uhrineves Czechia phone: +420 2 67 71 07 13 fax: +420 2 67 71 07 79 e-mail: SPINKA@VUZV.CZ From: IN%"Francien.deJonge@USERS.ECO.WAU.NL" 21-DEC-1998 05:30:41.20 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Collection of salive for hormone assays On Mon Dec 21 01:31:18 1998, Marek Spinka wrote: >Hi everybody, > >We are starting a project in maternal behaviour of sows and want to >assess their cortisol levels without blood sampling. The options are >saliva and urine. Has anybody an experience in persuading pigs (or >other mammals) to chew a cotton bug VOLUNTARILY? The sows are >restrained in farrowing crates, so we can easily offer anything >directly just before their snouts. > >Urine can be collected easily, but the disadvantage, of course, is >that it is impossible to collect it at predetermined times. > >I would welcome any comments or suggestions about how to smoohtly >collect saliva or urine in pigs. > >All the best, > >Marek > > > >Marek Spinka >Group of Ethology >Research Institute of Animal Production >P.O. Box 1 >CZ - 104 01 Prague - Uhrineves >Czechia > >phone: +420 2 67 71 07 13 >fax: +420 2 67 71 07 79 >e-mail: SPINKA@VUZV.CZ Dear Marek! Hi long time since I heard from you. I remember having received questions from you, which I answered, but they were bounced back. I do not remember anymore. With respect to your cortisol: sows love to chew on cotton bugs voluntary. There are always a few that like to play with you and they swallow it. The only problem is that you should take into account the fact that they anticipate on the whole interaction and that they like the interaction. With sows in stalls, you can walk along and give each of them the cotton bug, then walk back and retreive each one. Take care of the water (should be closed), success! How is your life. Here at university I am again in a crazy fight which is close to a definite solution. You'll hear from me, love Francien > From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN & MICKEY BREGMAN" 21-DEC-1998 07:03:05.34 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Collection of saliva for hormone assays At 10:31 AM 12/21/98 +0100, Marek Spinka wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I would welcome any comments or suggestions about how to smoohtly >collect saliva or urine in pigs. > >All the best, > >Marek I'm only a dog trainer, but didn't Pavlov do something like that?? Cup beneath their chins and bell ringing comes to mind. Trying to help Vivian Vivian Bregman & the Border Collies in Northern NJ "CIVILIZE YOUR DOG!" NADOI # 860 & APDT #1220P ** Showing since 1963, Teaching since 1965 mailto:bregman@interactive.net From: IN%"zanella@pilot.msu.edu" "Dr. Adroaldo J. Zanella" 21-DEC-1998 07:56:07.35 To: IN%"spinka@novell.vuzv.cz" "Marek Spinka", IN%"sandra.schoenreiter@tierhyg.vetmed.uni-muenchen.de", IN%"benjamin_madonna@elanco.com" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"yuanyan@pilot.msu.edu" Subj: RE: Collection of salive for hormone assays Dear Marek, The subject of saliva collection has taken a lot of our research efforts. Sandra Schonreiter (sandra.schoenreiter@tierhyg.vetmed.uni-muenchen.de), has done a magnificent piece of work validating techniques for saliva collection. She has a paper submitted that I am sure she will be prepared to share with you. Sandra's work encompassed both collection and processing of saliva samples. Recently we have been using an ingenious technique developed by Madonna Gemus Benjamin (former graduate student in our program, in Michigan (paper in preparation)). We can easily harvest more that 5 ml of saliva in sows (each collection). Yan Yaun (graduate student in my group) used the concept developed by Madonna Gemus Benjamin, with some modifications and she was able to harvest saliva samples from very young piglets (2 -3 weeks old). Let me know if you need more information. Adroaldo >Hi everybody, > >We are starting a project in maternal behaviour of sows and want to >assess their cortisol levels without blood sampling. The options are >saliva and urine. Has anybody an experience in persuading pigs (or >other mammals) to chew a cotton bug VOLUNTARILY? The sows are >restrained in farrowing crates, so we can easily offer anything >directly just before their snouts. > >Urine can be collected easily, but the disadvantage, of course, is >that it is impossible to collect it at predetermined times. > >I would welcome any comments or suggestions about how to smoohtly >collect saliva or urine in pigs. > >All the best, > >Marek > > > >Marek Spinka >Group of Ethology >Research Institute of Animal Production >P.O. Box 1 >CZ - 104 01 Prague - Uhrineves >Czechia > >phone: +420 2 67 71 07 13 >fax: +420 2 67 71 07 79 >e-mail: SPINKA@VUZV.CZ Dr. Adroaldo Jos=E9 Zanella Assistant Professor Ethology and Environmental Physiology Department of Animal Science Michigan State University Anthony Hall, East Lansing , MI 48824 =46ax: (517) 353 1699 Phone: (517) 432 4134 From: IN%"mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 21-DEC-1998 09:34:11.75 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Collection of saliva for hormone assays Dear Vivian and all > > >I would welcome any comments or suggestions about how to smoohtly > >collect saliva or urine in pigs. > > I'm only a dog trainer, but didn't Pavlov do something like that?? > Cup beneath their chins and bell ringing comes to mind. It doesn't seem to be widely known, but Pavlov used surgery to direct the flow of saliva externally for collection. A recent television series that reconstructed classic work on animal behaviour had to fake this one. Maybe you were joking, Vivian, in which case I apologise for pointing out what may have seemed obvious to you, but I thought I should reply in case you weren't... Happy Christmas to all our readers... Mike Michael Appleby Dr M.C. Appleby Director of Postgraduate Studies in Agriculture & Resource Economics Institute of Ecology and Resource Management University of Edinburgh West Mains Road Edinburgh EH9 3JG, UK Tel. +44 131 535 4098 Fax. +44 131 667 2601 Email mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk or michael.appleby@ed.ac.uk From: IN%"mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 21-DEC-1998 10:02:15.02 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: water intake rates of cows Jeff It's neither recent nor unpublished, but just in case you haven't got the reference: Andersson et al 1984, Effects of drinking water flow rates ... on drinking behaviour of ... dairy cows. Livestock Production Science 11, 599-610. seems to suggest that both your maximum of 20 litres per minute and your minimum of 300 ml at a single time are safe. Mike From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN & MICKEY BREGMAN" 21-DEC-1998 14:49:44.30 To: IN%"mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Collection of saliva for hormone assays At 03:33 PM 12/21/98 +0000, Mike Appleby wrote: >Dear Vivian and all > >> > >I would welcome any comments or suggestions about how to smoohtly >> >collect saliva or urine in pigs. >> >> I'm only a dog trainer, but didn't Pavlov do something like that?? >> Cup beneath their chins and bell ringing comes to mind. > >It doesn't seem to be widely known, but Pavlov used surgery to direct >the flow of saliva externally for collection. A recent television >series that reconstructed classic work on animal behaviour had to >fake this one. > >Maybe you were joking, Vivian, in which case I apologise for pointing >out what may have seemed obvious to you, but I thought I should reply >in case you weren't... > >Happy Christmas to all our readers... > >Mike Only half joking. I knew the details, and am not insulted. I deserved it for leaving out the little (:->) Happy Winter Solstice (today or tomorrow or thereabouts.......) Vivian Vivian Bregman & the Border Collies in Northern NJ "CIVILIZE YOUR DOG!" NADOI # 860 & APDT #1220P ** Showing since 1963, Teaching since 1965 mailto:bregman@interactive.net From: IN%"brooksd@uoguelph.ca" "Brooksie" 21-DEC-1998 17:11:13.42 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Boar Play Does anyone know if play in boars has been the subject of much study? Would semen quality or reproductive fitness be altered by either socially-directed or object-oriented play? Any ideas? Any references for me? Thanks, David Brooks __________________________________________________________________________ ()/\() ()/\() ( oo )---------\ D a v i d R. B r o o k s /--------( oo) (__)| Moo U | | Moo U (__) uu | | b r o o k s d @ u o g u e l p h . c a | |uu |\---(--)/| |\(--)---/| || !! || || !! || ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ Ever imagine a world with no hypothetical situations? __________________________________________________________________________ From: IN%"gaeagg@ix.netcom.com" 21-DEC-1998 23:33:09.06 To: IN%"sellink@HESKA.com", IN%"schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us", IN%"Richards@info.pmeh.uiowa.edu", IN%"namowicz@uic.edu", IN%"masuma@bighorn.dr.lucent.com", IN%"lerch@mediaone.net", IN%"kallisti@toad.net", IN%"jbeck@unlinfo.unl.edu", IN%"gaeagg@ix.netcom.c CC: Subj: RE: Brunus' tail On 12/18/98 09:07:42 you wrote: > > >I can't remember if I said that I'm fostering a Greyhound that Mary D. >and I picked up at the Law Center three weeks ago. He stayed at the vet >clinic the first week and then came to stay with me. What a cool guy! >The big obstacle for him was going up the steps. Amy Hanna suggested I >tack a blanket or cardboard on the back side of the steps so they >weren't "see through." A day and a half later HE DID IT! You should >have seen him. He was so proud of himself. Of course I got all goofy >about it too. It's such a priviledge to watch animals like him come out >of their shell. He wags his tail all the time now. Last night the tip >of his tail was bloody. The poor guy gets a bloody tail for being >happy. Beth, you mentioned a while back that Gazelle's tail gets bloody >too. Does anyone have any ideas about what I can do to help it heal and >to keep it from happening again? > >Thanks in advance! >Evie and the furry crew Evie, as I read your message, I kept saying "awe, awe, ooooh, awe, what a sweetie" well, you get the picture. Brunus is such a cutie and I can identify. Often greyhounds do have a problem with stairs at first since they've never experienced them. But, being true athletes, they eventually catch on. I'm also happy to hear that your brindle baby is happy and wagging his tail. Yep, Gazelle has that same tip bleeding problem (actually greyhounds tend to have von Willebrand disease, a bleeding disorder that causes them to bleed a bit more easily than normal--bloody gums from chewing on rawhide bones is one noticeable symptom-- it's a deficiency of factor IX, a protein necessary for proper clotting). For Gazelle, I just try to calm her if she gets into too much of a tail wagging frenzy. Yes, it's fun to see them happy but not if they bleed too much. Also, I have a pretty clear house so there is not too much to slap the tail on (except walls and some furniture). Once the tail is bleeding I just take a Kleenex or paper towel and clamp it with my hand for a few minutes until the bleeding stops, then try to make sure she stays calm for a while (snuggles on the couch is very effective). Actually, it heals pretty fast. Just wash the tip with warm water and keep an eye on it. Good luck with Brunus, Evie. So glad you're having the wonderful experience of living with a greyhound! Beth and brindle Gazelle and the rest of the crew From: IN%"spinka@novell.vuzv.cz" "Marek Spinka" 22-DEC-1998 08:16:32.38 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Thanks Hello, Thanks to everybody who shared their experience or ideas about saliva collection in pigs. Cheers, Marek Marek Spinka Group of Ethology Research Institute of Animal Production P.O. Box 1 CZ - 104 01 Prague - Uhrineves Czechia phone: +420 2 67 71 07 13 fax: +420 2 67 71 07 79 e-mail: SPINKA@VUZV.CZ From: IN%"DMCWILLIAMS@APS.UoGuelph.CA" "Deborah McWilliams" 22-DEC-1998 11:47:03.32 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Happy holidays Happy Holidays to all! Just an appreciatory note for everyone for the enjoyment and learning I have received from talking with and listening to all of you. It is a pleasure to know that so many people interested in so many species are "out there". Happy New Year! I am looking forward to another year of sharing and dissemination of ideas. A special thanks to Joseph for his valuable time to keep this listserv in existence. DebMcW dmcwilliams@aps.uoguelph.ca Deborah A. McWilliams Room 043, Animal and Poultry Science University of Guelph Guelph, ON, Canada, N1G 2X7 From: IN%"claude.beata@wanadoo.fr" 26-DEC-1998 11:48:11.95 To: IN%"luescher@vet.purdue.edu" "Andrew Luescher" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: separation anxiety Dear Andrew, I've been delighted to meet you in Spain even if the time was toos hort to discuss very much. First let me wish you and everyone on the list a happy new year for 1999 with many cases of behaviours disorders for the ones who are involved in that field… I was on holidays so I have to apologize for my delayed answer. I'm happy to see that exchanges become possible on this very important topic which is separation anxiety. Maybe it is the easiest but it can be a nightmare also… One of the point is that we don't really speak about the same topic. I'm going to try to answer you point after point You wrote: > Of course, most people in North America consider over-attachment to be > at > the root of the problem of Separation Anxiety. I also need to > emphasize > that the use of rigid criteria for diagnosing any behavioral problem > is but > one school in North America, and does not represent "the North > American > School". This is an important point. In Patrick Pageat's semiology, overattachment is the root of separation anxiety. When we had to do clinical trials for firms, we discussed with some of your colleagues in USA and they were not right with this sign as necessary. When I read US books on that point I find different thinkings. So maybe you are right and there is not one school in North America. As I said in the round table in Spain, I don't think it's worth to have a fight "Old World" against "New World". Because there is not an american way of thinking in front of a french one.There is a french system, built by one person, and developed and changed by many others. We are proud of it because it is precise and it showed efficacy. But we know it is going to evolve and it has to evolve according to the new discoverings in neurotransmitters and so son. But we began with a neurotransmitter model, that means maybe we have to adapt it but we are on the way… We are ready to share our experience with everybody wanting to use this kind of model but we don't want anymore to do the "who is right ?" kind of battle. We are teaching that way, in many countries now, because veterinary surgeons can see this is a quite simple and efficient way to deal with many behaviour disorders. And we think that field is very important for vets because they are the only ones who can use drugs and behaviou therapy. And in a general practice, vets must know the bases to recognize and to treat the easiest things and refer the worst. As we do in cardiology or in orthopedics. My wish for that new year could be to develop together, starting from the model we use with happiness since 10 years, a worldwide recognized model. Utopia ? Is it nothing but a pipedream ? > When I analyzed my case load, I found that separation anxiety starts > at a > later age thatn other behavior problems. This finding is probably > biased by > the fact that many of these dogs have been obtained through shelters > at a > later age (i.e. not as puppies). We therefore do not have data to show > that > separation anxiety is a continuation of attachment of the puppy to its > > mother or owner. In most clinical cases we cannot obtain information > to > determine this. Once again, are we speaking about the same disorder ? For us the beginning of the problem is always at the end of the prepubescent period. Why ? Because that is the time for detachment. And before, a puppy exhibiting distress when he loses contact with its mother is nothing but normal. So it can be a separation anxiety only if we have a persistance of the primary attachment bond.When a dog has been correctly detached but exhibits at another time of its life symptoms of hyper attachment we call it "secondary hyperattachment of the adult" wich is greatly different of separation anxiety.We have to remember that dogs are social animals and when a dog is coming from a shelter he is suffering a deritualization anxiety and a break of its attachment bonds and communication rituals. When this dog is coming in a new "family-pack" he will tie a new very strong bond even if people are not yet attached.Huge difference with separation anxiety when dog and people are overattached! I agree with you that symptoms are quite the same but there is a big difference in therapy. As drug, you can use quite the same but as behaviour therapy you must first create the bond and regulate it. But you have not to provoke the detachment. Prognosis is worse and you must say to owners that it will take a longer time to cure the dog. Secondary hyperattachment in the old dog must make us think in a depression. In old dogs, in the "involutive depression" as well as in the "confusional syndrome" ( Your cognitive disfunction syndrome mixes - for us - depressive problems and cognitive ones), you can find hyperattachment. I saw this morning in my practice an 13 year old dog. For the third time in three years this dogs exhibits signs related to separation with its owner. He never did it during the first ten years. Each time, we found sleep disorders with early wakes ( less than one hour after falling asleep), increased appetite, loss of interest in plays and increased will to be in physical contact with the owner, even more if they are together out of home. The dog eats towels when he is alone, only if the owner is going out when it is not work time. Diagnosis is "involutive depression", the secondary overattachment is nothing but a symptom of this. After three weeks of selegiline chlorhydrate, we had no more signs but we keep on the treatment until the sleep is normal. Behaviour therapy involves more plays and walks with the dogs beside regulating the contact. > The treatment of separation anxiety practiced in North America is not > much > different than that proposed by you. As supportive treatment, I > emphasize > the importance of twice-daily exercise, mostly to encourage exposure > to > people, dogs, etc, and to reduce anxiety in a non-specific way. > Another > important point is to address other problems, especially fearfulness, > hyperactivity, etc, that contribute to a high level of anxiety when > separated from the owners. Since your talk in Spain I also start to > wonder > if a active attempt to socialize the dog with other people might not > be > beneficial in reducing the over-attachment to the owner. What do you > think? In our differential diagnosis, we are very careful with "Hypersensitivity- Hyperactivity syndrom" because it easy to beconfused between these two problems. In HsHa, the dog chew anyhting and , in the beginning, even when owners are in. But after a while, people are punishing, and the dog don't do any destruction in front of them but they keep on when they are alone because of their high level of activity and their unability in stopping a behaviour sequence. We can make the difference because in a real separation anxiety , owner's belongings are more destroyed than other things. I totally agree with you. To socialize the dog with other people of the family will allow it to build its own communicatiuon rituals and will make easier the detachment. We emphasize the fact that the detachment from the owner must be active. He or she has to send the dog away firmly. I hope this can be of some help and I'm glad of that discussion. From: IN%"Eccchhho@aol.com" 28-DEC-1998 12:22:33.71 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: just learning... Hello everyone. I am a Small Animal Science major at Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, PA. I have been captivated by animals since before I was able to walk. As I got older I quickly realized that I would not be happy doing anything in life unless it dealt with animals. This did not include spending my life in a veterinary hospital neutering cats and dogs for the rest of my life. I want to understand, better than I already do, how and why animals do the things they do. They are all amazing, beautiful creatures with an intelligence that most people are not aware of. About six months ago I became aware of the behavioral enrichment programs and projects that many zoos are working on. I came to understand that just because an animal has a large open habitat at a zoo does not make them happy. They need to be able to express many natural behaviors present in the wild. Just because the habitat is large and open does not mean the animal is as content as they can be. They need more natural smells and sounds. Lions need to be stimulated to look for their food for hours, as they would in the wild, not just given their meal twice a day that they scarf down in five minutes. Anyway, I also just recently discovered what ethology was while reading When Elephants Weep. I am extremely excited to learn more about the study of ethology and what educational programs if any concentrate on it. I would also love to know if it is offered as a major anywhere and if there are any graduate degrees offered in the area of ethology. I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me to obtain more information of the subject and the educational programs. Thank you. From: IN%"rushenj@EM.AGR.CA" "Jeff Rushen" 29-DEC-1998 15:42:47.24 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"dairy-l@umdd.umd.edu" CC: Subj: research position in dairy cattle behaviour/ stress physiology A research position will soon be available in dairy cattle behaviour, welfare and/or stress physiology at the Dairy and Swine Research Centre of Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada at Lennoxville, Quebec, Canada. The position will be available in spring/summer of next year and will likely be for 1-3 years depending on the funds.This is not an official advertisement for the position, which will be advertised on the Government of Canada web site. However, interested people can contact me at the address below for further details about the position, how to apply etc. We are looking with someone with a masters or doctoral degree, in some field of animal biology, veterinary science or animal science, preferably with some experience in animal behaviour and/or stress physiology. The person will need to be able to speak either English or French, and preferably both. Jeff Rushen ************************************************** Jeffrey Rushen, Ph. D. Dairy and Swine Research and Development Centre, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, PO Box 90, 2000 Road 108 East, Lennoxville, Quebec, Canada J1M 1Z3 Ph. 1-819-5659174 ext 206 Fax. 1-819-5645507 Email. rushenj@em.agr.ca ************************************************** ! ! From: IN%"Birte.Nielsen@agrsci.dk" "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Birte_Lindstr=F8m_Nielsen?=" 30-DEC-1998 03:47:22.04 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" CC: Subj: Broiler stocking density legislation - summary Dear all, Thank you to everyone who responded to my querie about legislation on stocking density for broilers. Below is a summary of the replies. Wishing you all a very happy New Year. Kind regards, Birte=20 AUSTRALIA: No legislation on stocking density, the industry recommends = 40kg per sq. m. as the upper limit, the mean production density may actually = be less than that (approx. 36) AUSTRIA: Maximum stocking density allowed is 30kg per sq. m. DENMARK: No legislation on stocking density, the industry recommends = 40kg per sq. m. as the upper limit, the average production density is 43 kg = per sq. m. GERMANY: No legislation on stocking density, the industry recommends = 35kg per sq. m. as the upper limit. NORWAY: No legislation on stocking density, the industry recommends = 35kg per sq. m. as the upper limit. SWEDEN: Maximum stocking density allowed is 36kg per sq. m., the = welfare organisations recommend 20 kg per sq. m. UK: No legislation on stocking density, the industry and FAWC recommend = 34kg per sq. m. as the upper limit, the RSPCA recommends 30kg per sq. m. ______________________________________ Birte L Nielsen Afd. for Husdyrsundhed og Velf=E6rd Forskningscenter Foulum Postboks 50 DK-8830 Tjele Danmark Phone: (+45) 8999 1373 Fax: (+45) 8999 1500 Email: birte.nielsen@agrsci.dk From: IN%"DMCWILLIAMS@APS.UoGuelph.CA" "Deborah McWilliams" 31-DEC-1998 09:17:55.13 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: separation anxiety Hello Claude! Some questions please: > precise and it showed efficacy. But we know it is going to evolve and it > has to evolve according to the new discoverings in neurotransmitters and > so son. But we began with a neurotransmitter model, that means maybe we > have to adapt it but we are on the way=E0 We are ready to share our > experience with everybody wanting to use this kind of model but we don't > want anymore to do the "who is right ?" kind of battle. Does this mean you would recommend serotonin enhancers for separation anxiety? If not, what would you recommend? > greatly different of separation anxiety.We have to remember that dogs > are social animals and when a dog is coming from a shelter he is > suffering a deritualization anxiety and a break of its attachment bonds > and communication rituals. When this dog is coming in a new > "family-pack" he will tie a new very strong bond even if people are not > yet attached.Huge difference with separation anxiety when dog and people > are overattached! I was interested in separation anxiety in working dogs that must be trained to isolation and prolonged time with their human co- workers. These dogs usually go from their dam, to a foster home until approximately one year of age then into training for the work they will do. They then are transferred to their human co-worker. The separation anxiety (if you would call it that) seems to occur first during crate training when the pups go to the foster families. > same but as behaviour therapy you must first create the bond and > regulate it. But you have not to provoke the detachment. Prognosis is > worse and you must say to owners that it will take a longer time to cure > the dog. Detachment seems to be a primary necessity for a working dog. Does this mean it is the source of the problem? Thanks! DebMcW dmcwilliams@aps.uoguelph.ca Deborah A. McWilliams Room 043, Animal and Poultry Science University of Guelph Guelph, ON, Canada, N1G 2X7