Subject: Re: imprinting in foals From: peterhaskins Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:14:10 +1100 To: Cheryl Kolus CC: ethology Sorry to have come in late, but I've been away for a while. I find this very interesting, and very unexpected. Somehow it doesn't make sense to me that a foal should learn to fear people through being handled. I wonder if the cause of the effect isn't so much the foal beinbg directly stressed as the dam being stressed? I know that I would have felt pretty stressed if strangers had insisted on handling my new born babies (apart from the known and trusted doctor and nurses -- and even then I'd watch them like a hawk :-) If the mother felt stressed and threatened (What are they doing to my baby!!) then she might become more protective of the foal and so send the message to the foal that humans aren't to be trusted. I can imagine the dam might try to body block people from approaching the foal (?). You can definitely see this effect in dogs with their pups. If the mother feels uneasy about people handling the pups she becomes much more 'fearful' when people are nearby and much more protective of those pups. Cheers, Jenny H Coffs Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kolus" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: imprinting in foals > Hello all. In light of the recent discussions, thought some of you might > be interested in this. > > Cheryl K. > Colorado, USA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=11259&WT.mc_id=news > Subject: SV: imprinting in foals From: Ulrika Lindström Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:05:57 +0100 To: peterhaskins , Cheryl Kolus CC: ethology I believe in this too, as my last foal were so protected by here dam that she was not only afraid of people, she even became afraid of other horses, as the mare was so eager to keep them away from the foal! Of course she came over it pretty quickly, foals have a natural curiousity that takes over sooner or later. I found it is better to allow the foal to chose when to take contact, and to do it in her own pace. There is a time when they decide to take the contact and then you have them with you forever. Now she always comes to me to have a talk, trusts me enough to stay and hang with me then the other horses leaves or to take her out for a small walk and always neights when I approaches. It is not much effort done in this work. Reading your message I realised it must be stressful for the mares to to have their newborn foal handled even before she has had any time to learn to know it. Maybe it makes the mare more protective than she would be otherwise, which may influense the result? It is easy to see things only from one side, depending on what one want to study and forget animals are quite complex beings. Ulrika Lindström -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: peterhaskins [mailto:peterhaskins@bigpond.com] Skickat: den 19 februari 2008 02:14 Till: Cheryl Kolus Kopia: ethology Ämne: Re: imprinting in foals Sorry to have come in late, but I've been away for a while. I find this very interesting, and very unexpected. Somehow it doesn't make sense to me that a foal should learn to fear people through being handled. I wonder if the cause of the effect isn't so much the foal beinbg directly stressed as the dam being stressed? I know that I would have felt pretty stressed if strangers had insisted on handling my new born babies (apart from the known and trusted doctor and nurses -- and even then I'd watch them like a hawk :-) If the mother felt stressed and threatened (What are they doing to my baby!!) then she might become more protective of the foal and so send the message to the foal that humans aren't to be trusted. I can imagine the dam might try to body block people from approaching the foal (?). You can definitely see this effect in dogs with their pups. If the mother feels uneasy about people handling the pups she becomes much more 'fearful' when people are nearby and much more protective of those pups. Cheers, Jenny H Coffs Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kolus" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: imprinting in foals > > Hello all. In light of the recent discussions, thought some of you might > > be interested in this. > > > > Cheryl K. > > Colorado, USA > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=11259&WT.mc_id=news > > Subject: Production Quotas and AW From: Ray Stricklin Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:29:06 -0500 To: applied-ethology@usask.ca What are the pros and cons of production quotas relative to animal welfare? Does anyone know of publications on this topic? Regards, Ray Stricklin Subject: Introduction From: Kristina Gage Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:05:53 -0500 To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca My name is Kristina Gage. I recently joined this list and wanted to introduce myself. I have always been interested in canid behavior and got a BS in Wildlife Ecology thinking I would study wolves. However, during college I became more and more interested in domestic dog behavior. I currently own a dog training business. We offer family dog training classes and I conduct behavior consultations. In the fall I will be starting the doctoral program at SUNY Albany in biopsychology. I'll be working with Dr. Gordon Gallup and plan to study theory of mind and social cognition in dogs. I am hoping this list will be a great resource for me. Kristina Gage Subject: mpeg encoder From: Anna Olsson Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:49:11 +0000 To: applied-ethology@usask.ca Dear all, Our built-in encoder for converting video recordings from VHS to digital files broke down and we will have to buy a new one. Any recommendations (or the opposite!) for encoders to be used together with The Observer? Best regards, Anna Olsson Dr Anna Olsson Researcher Laboratory Animal Science group http://www.ibmc.up.pt http://ethos.no.sapo.pt Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology - IBMC Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto, Portugal Phone +351 22 607 4900 Fax +351 22 6099157 Subject: Mimetic value From: peterhaskins Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:06:53 +1100 To: ethology I've just come across this article. It seems to me to be talking of similar thinking processes to those involved in the "I want what she's got!" behaviour. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080212102339.htm "A sense of Scarcity: Why It Seems Like All The Good Ones Are Taken. Cheers, Jenny H Coffs Australia Subject: another URL on mimetic behaviour From: peterhaskins Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:07:26 +1100 To: ethology Is this relevant to the previous discussion? http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/97177.php "Mimicry, A Valuable Tool In Interpersonal Persuasion" Cheers, Jenny H Coffs Subject: Pinch-induced behavioral inhibition ('clipnosis') in domestic dogs? From: "Martin, Francois" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:19:17 -0800 To: ethology Hello, Does anybody know if this has been used sucessfuly in dogs? Fhanks F Subject: Re: Pinch-induced behavioral inhibition ('clipnosis') in domestic dogs? From: peterhaskins Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:38:13 +1100 To: "Martin, Francois" CC: ethology Do you mean like a twitch in horses? Jenny H Coffs Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin, Francois To: ethology Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Pinch-induced behavioral inhibition ('clipnosis') in domestic dogs? Hello, Does anybody know if this has been used sucessfuly in dogs? Fhanks F