From:	IN%"piaag131@student.liu.se"  "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pia_=C5gren?=" 16-JAN-2003 07:51:36.24
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Searching information about rearing cats with dogs.

Hi,

I'm working right now on my final thesis in ethology. It's a study of =
the behaviour of the Lynx. It happens quite often that cubs are left =
alone (their mother might be killed during hunting or so) and it is a =
problem to know what to do with these cubs. I've been talking to an =
expert here i Sweden, who has raised European lynx together with dogs. =
The thought behind raising cubs with dogs is that the get some kind of =
social life, which they would miss totaly if reared alone. The problem =
for me is that I can't find any written information about rearing =
"big/wild" cats with dogs. If anyone knows anything about it, please =
email me!

Sincerly
Pia =C5gren


From:	IN%"chris.gotman@sympatico.ca" 18-JAN-2003 09:21:27.44
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder? migration?

The following is intreguing. Has anyone insight into possible cause and 
outcomes in this case?

Chris Gotman
Quebec, Canada

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20030116-0143-ca-brainwashedpenguins.html

 S.F. Zookeepers perplexed by endless circle-swimming penguins 
     
      ASSOCIATED PRESS 
      January 16, 2003 

      SAN FRANCISCO - A few penguins swimming leisurely every now and then at the San Francisco Zoo is nothing new. But dozens of them doing laps in unison all day to the point of exhaustion has zookeepers perplexed. 

      "We've lost complete control," said Jane Tollini, the zoos penguin keeper. "It's a free-for-all in here. After 18 years of doing this job, these birds are making mincemeat of me." 

      It all started in November when six newcomer Megellannic penguins, formerly of Sea World in Aurora, Ohio, were brought in. 

      Since then the penguin pool at the San Francisco Zoo has been a daily frenzy of circle swimming by all of the 52 birds at once. 

      The penguins start swimming in circles early in the day and rarely stop until they stagger out of the pool dead tired at dusk. 

      The six penguins from Ohio started it all, Tollini said, apparently convincing the others to join them for the watery daily circuit. 

      "I can't figure out how the Aurora penguins communicated and changed the minds of the other 46," Tollini said. 

      On a recent day, Tollini said that the penguins would normally be in their burrows in pairs. Instead they swam dizzying circles at her feet. 

      She hand feeds them all, names them, and monitors the penguin enclosure that has become a bit of a lap pool. The pairs, Pearl and Bluto, Grumpy and Shamu, Captain and Ditz, all have taken part in the bizarre circle swims. 

      Some penguin experts point to the highly social animals as being open to new ideas fostered by newcomers in to the zoo's so-called Penguin Island. 

      "Penguins are extraordinarily social birds," said Christina Slager, associate curator at Monterey Bay Aquarium. She has studied Magellanics in the wild in Patagonia and Chile. 

      "And they're very, very inquisitive. If you combine those facts and put in a new stimulus, like the six new penguins, they have to check it out." 

      Ian Hiler, director of touring exhibits at Audubon Aquarium of the Americas in New Orleans, said it only takes a couple of headstrong penguins to start a trend - in this case a seemingly endless exercise in swimming. 

      "Usually there are one or two dominant birds," Hiler said. "Somehow these animals came up and showed they're worthy of being followed." 

      Aquatic biologist Pam Schaller of the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco described it in more matter-of-fact terms. 

      "Genetically, they're designed to swim," Schaller said. "I'd be more amazed if the six had learned to do something not in penguin nature and showed the other 46 how to do it - like if the birds were trained to jump through a hoop." 

      Tollini said genetics aside, she hopes the Mark Spitz routine stops soon. 


From:	IN%"jlanier@hsus.org"  "Jennifer Lanier" 19-JAN-2003 16:12:51.05
To:	IN%"chris.gotman@sympatico.ca", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder?migration?

It would be of interest to know if the new birds displayed this behavior
at their old home. I would venture to guess that the behavior is a
stereotypie. It would be very important to stop the behavior before they
get too ingrained and "addicted". If it is possible to put obstacles in
the pool to break up the circle. This is of course  if the keeper or
associate is on this list. Stereotypies ususlly develop due to stress or
boredom (a streeor). The anxiety associated with stress is "contagious".


Jennifer

Jennifer L. Lanier, Ph.D.
Director of Scientific Programs
Farm Animals and Sustainable Agriculture
The Humane Society of the United States
2100 L. Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20037
(301) 548 7787
(301) 258 3081 Fax
jlanier@hsus.org

-----Original Message-----
From: chris gotman [mailto:chris.gotman@sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:21 AM
To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca
Subject: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive
disorder?migration?


The following is intreguing. Has anyone insight into possible cause and 
outcomes in this case?

Chris Gotman
Quebec, Canada

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20030116-0143-ca-brainwashedpen
guins.html

 S.F. Zookeepers perplexed by endless circle-swimming penguins 
     
      ASSOCIATED PRESS 
      January 16, 2003 

      SAN FRANCISCO - A few penguins swimming leisurely every now and
then at the San Francisco Zoo is nothing new. But dozens of them doing
laps in unison all day to the point of exhaustion has zookeepers
perplexed. 

      "We've lost complete control," said Jane Tollini, the zoos penguin
keeper. "It's a free-for-all in here. After 18 years of doing this job,
these birds are making mincemeat of me." 

      It all started in November when six newcomer Megellannic penguins,
formerly of Sea World in Aurora, Ohio, were brought in. 

      Since then the penguin pool at the San Francisco Zoo has been a
daily frenzy of circle swimming by all of the 52 birds at once. 

      The penguins start swimming in circles early in the day and rarely
stop until they stagger out of the pool dead tired at dusk. 

      The six penguins from Ohio started it all, Tollini said,
apparently convincing the others to join them for the watery daily
circuit. 

      "I can't figure out how the Aurora penguins communicated and
changed the minds of the other 46," Tollini said. 

      On a recent day, Tollini said that the penguins would normally be
in their burrows in pairs. Instead they swam dizzying circles at her
feet. 

      She hand feeds them all, names them, and monitors the penguin
enclosure that has become a bit of a lap pool. The pairs, Pearl and
Bluto, Grumpy and Shamu, Captain and Ditz, all have taken part in the
bizarre circle swims. 

      Some penguin experts point to the highly social animals as being
open to new ideas fostered by newcomers in to the zoo's so-called
Penguin Island. 

      "Penguins are extraordinarily social birds," said Christina
Slager, associate curator at Monterey Bay Aquarium. She has studied
Magellanics in the wild in Patagonia and Chile. 

      "And they're very, very inquisitive. If you combine those facts
and put in a new stimulus, like the six new penguins, they have to check
it out." 

      Ian Hiler, director of touring exhibits at Audubon Aquarium of the
Americas in New Orleans, said it only takes a couple of headstrong
penguins to start a trend - in this case a seemingly endless exercise in
swimming. 

      "Usually there are one or two dominant birds," Hiler said.
"Somehow these animals came up and showed they're worthy of being
followed." 

      Aquatic biologist Pam Schaller of the Steinhart Aquarium in San
Francisco described it in more matter-of-fact terms. 

      "Genetically, they're designed to swim," Schaller said. "I'd be
more amazed if the six had learned to do something not in penguin nature
and showed the other 46 how to do it - like if the birds were trained to
jump through a hoop." 

      Tollini said genetics aside, she hopes the Mark Spitz routine
stops soon. 

From:	IN%"robin@coape.co.uk" 19-JAN-2003 16:21:00.96
To:	IN%"chris.gotman@sympatico.ca", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder? migration?

Is there some migratory instinct here? might this be a fragmented sequence
of some very adaptive evolutionary behaviour?

Release them before someone gives them Prozak!

Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: chris gotman [mailto:chris.gotman@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 18 January 2003 15:21
To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca
Subject: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder?
migration?


The following is intreguing. Has anyone insight into possible cause and
outcomes in this case?

Chris Gotman
Quebec, Canada

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20030116-0143-ca-brainwashedpenguin
s.html

 S.F. Zookeepers perplexed by endless circle-swimming penguins

      ASSOCIATED PRESS
      January 16, 2003

      SAN FRANCISCO - A few penguins swimming leisurely every now and then
at the San Francisco Zoo is nothing new. But dozens of them doing laps in
unison all day to the point of exhaustion has zookeepers perplexed.

      "We've lost complete control," said Jane Tollini, the zoos penguin
keeper. "It's a free-for-all in here. After 18 years of doing this job,
these birds are making mincemeat of me."

      It all started in November when six newcomer Megellannic penguins,
formerly of Sea World in Aurora, Ohio, were brought in.

      Since then the penguin pool at the San Francisco Zoo has been a daily
frenzy of circle swimming by all of the 52 birds at once.

      The penguins start swimming in circles early in the day and rarely
stop until they stagger out of the pool dead tired at dusk.

      The six penguins from Ohio started it all, Tollini said, apparently
convincing the others to join them for the watery daily circuit.

      "I can't figure out how the Aurora penguins communicated and changed
the minds of the other 46," Tollini said.

      On a recent day, Tollini said that the penguins would normally be in
their burrows in pairs. Instead they swam dizzying circles at her feet.

      She hand feeds them all, names them, and monitors the penguin
enclosure that has become a bit of a lap pool. The pairs, Pearl and Bluto,
Grumpy and Shamu, Captain and Ditz, all have taken part in the bizarre
circle swims.

      Some penguin experts point to the highly social animals as being open
to new ideas fostered by newcomers in to the zoo's so-called Penguin Island.

      "Penguins are extraordinarily social birds," said Christina Slager,
associate curator at Monterey Bay Aquarium. She has studied Magellanics in
the wild in Patagonia and Chile.

      "And they're very, very inquisitive. If you combine those facts and
put in a new stimulus, like the six new penguins, they have to check it
out."

      Ian Hiler, director of touring exhibits at Audubon Aquarium of the
Americas in New Orleans, said it only takes a couple of headstrong penguins
to start a trend - in this case a seemingly endless exercise in swimming.

      "Usually there are one or two dominant birds," Hiler said. "Somehow
these animals came up and showed they're worthy of being followed."

      Aquatic biologist Pam Schaller of the Steinhart Aquarium in San
Francisco described it in more matter-of-fact terms.

      "Genetically, they're designed to swim," Schaller said. "I'd be more
amazed if the six had learned to do something not in penguin nature and
showed the other 46 how to do it - like if the birds were trained to jump
through a hoop."

      Tollini said genetics aside, she hopes the Mark Spitz routine stops
soon.

From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 19-JAN-2003 16:38:26.12
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	commercial working rabbit question

Is there anyone on the list who is doing applied ethology studies on commerical rabbits?

H. McMurray

From:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com" 19-JAN-2003 18:24:51.91
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	I'm interested in rabbits, too

Hi, all,
I'd be interested in anyone's experience with commercial rabbits and housing, 
management, diet, environmental enrichment, farming practices and procedures, 
and slaughter, too.  We have been asked to develop humane husbandry standards 
for raising rabbits and are in the midst of doing so.
Thanks,
Marlene Halverson
Farm Animal Economic Advisor
Animal Welfare Institute
P.O. Box 286
Northfield, MN 55057
USA

From:	IN%"duz_16@yahoo.com"  "Joseph Barber" 20-JAN-2003 09:19:50.96
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder?migration?

Dear all,

There are those of you out there who know more about
stereotypies and neurotic disorders than I, but I
suspect that the behaviour exhibitied by the penguins
cannot be fully attributed to stereotypic behaviour.
Although I too would like more information about the
behaviour of both groups of penguins before they were
brought together, and how they were introduced. Other
than some studies done on voles, I don't know of any
other work in the literature that describes a
stereotypic behaviour being so readily transmitted
throughout a group of animals in such a small period
of time.

As for the migration theory, does anyone know when
this species would typically migrate? The new birds
were introduced in Novemeber, and it may be that this
time of the year represents their species-approprietae
migration time..., maybe.

In the end, this behaviour may be caused by a
combination of factors. Let us say that new birds,
perhaps typically more active in their former
institution, took to the water in the face of an
establsihed colony of 46 birds to avoid potentially
aversive interactions with dominant individuals (does
this species have a hierarchy?), since the water
allows for a speedy get away. The established birds
seeeking to investuigate the newcomers may have taken
to the water in pursuit. The sight of several birds
swimming at high velocity around the pool may have
caused an increased motivation on the observing birds
to swim (e.g., social facilitation - something seen
commonly in chickens), and the more birds that joined
in the swimming, the greater the social stimulus may
have become. This is similar to positive feedback.
Such swimming itself may then have promoted any
'dormant' migration behaviours, if these were also a
contributring factor. Just a theory...

Any thoughts?

Joseph



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From:	IN%"sarahlhellis@hotmail.com"  "Sarah Ellis" 20-JAN-2003 16:02:16.90
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Advice on PhD's im Companion Animal Behaviour

Dear Network,
it has been a while since I have been a member of this network so please let 
me introduce myself. My name is Sarah Ellis and I am presently studying a 
MSc in Companion Animla Behaviour Therapy at the University of Southampton 
after completing a BSc (Joint Honours) in Zoology/Psychology at the 
University of Southampton.

I am extremely interested in Companion Animal Behaviour however the MSc is 
part time and it is very hard to get related work in between my MSc modules. 
I think the best step (after careful consideration) for me is a full time 
PhD.  However I am finding it very hard to find a PhD in this area. I am 
keen to study anywhere although Holland and the Uk appeal to me greatly 
(living in the UK presently).

If anyone could give me some advice with finding a suitable PhD I would be 
very grateful.

Kind regards to all
Sarah




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From:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com" 20-JAN-2003 16:27:11.00
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S.

FYI from Marlene Halverson



Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S., Seaboard (Oklahoma) and Smithfield=20
(Circle 4, Utah).=A0 See also PETA website for Seaboard legal case cruelty=20
evidence, including video:
http://www.peta.org/feat/invest/disclaimer.html


<A HREF=3D"http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=3D974021&pic=3Dnone=
&TP=3Dgetarticle">http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=3D974021&pic=
=3Dnone&TP=3Dgetarticle</A>
Daily Oklahoman

Guymon man pleads no contest to animal cruelty
2003-01-16

GUYMON (AP) - A Guymon man has pleaded no contest to three counts of animal
cruelty after an animal-rights activist videotaped him beating pigs at a
Seaboard Farms Inc. hog farm.

Alejo Pena, 30, withdrew his innocent plea Monday and is under supervised
probation until his judgment and sentencing, which was deferred until
January 2005, Karen Parish, Texas County court clerk, said Thursday.

The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, whose activist secretly
videotaped the 2000 incidents, said Pena is the first to receive a felony
conviction for animal cruelty at a corporate farm.

"This is a good start," said PETA spokeswoman Mary Beth Sweetland. "The
conviction of a pig farm manager who has an agriculture degree from a
university is really an indictment of the entire industry's cruel nature."

Pena was charged with four felony counts of animal cruelty in September 2001
for beating young pigs with a hammer and a metal gate hook at Seaboard's
farm in Guymon.

But the fourth count, alleging he left a sick pig in a walkway without food
or water for six days, was dropped. That alleged incident was not
videotaped, but was included in written material the activist provided
authorities.

PETA's activist, who also worked at the farm, sent copies of the videotape
to The Daily Oklahoman and to Texas County authorities. The case drew
support from actress Rue McClanahan, an Oklahoma native who asked former
District Attorney Donald Wood to aggressively prosecute Pena.

Pena, who resigned from Seaboard before charges were filed, could not be
located for comment.

Shawnee Mission, Kan.-based Seaboard's spokesman said the company has long
held a policy of automatically firing any employee who abuse animals. The
nation's third largest pork producer has added audit procedures and now
requires employees to sign the zero-tolerance policy, spokesman Gary
Reckrodt said.

"We were embarrassed and felt ashamed that something like this could happen
in our system despite extensive actions to prevent it," Reckrodt said.

Pena had faced a maximum of five years in prison and fines of $500 on each
count. Pena will not be further sentenced as long as he adheres to the rules
of his probation.

PETA had sought charges against three other Seaboard workers and the
company, but Wood has said there was no evidence to suggest Seaboard
committed any crimes and no charges were filed against the other workers.

January 16, 2003
=A0

The Salt Lake Tribune - Salt Lake City UT=20
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01162003/utah/20640.asp=20


<A HREF=3D"http://clickit.go2net.com/search?cid=3D239154&site=3Dsrch&area=
=3Dsrch.comm.dogpile_newscrawler&shape=3Dtextlink&cp=3Dinfo.wbcrwl&rawto=3Dh=
ttp://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01162003/utah/20640.asp">The Salt Lake Tribune=
 -- Advocates Describe Pig Farm 'Misery'</A>=A0
Jon Oleson attends to piglets during a covert visit to Circle Four Farms.=20
Animal rights advocates say the company's handling of the pigs is abusive.=20
(United Animal Rights Coalition)=20
=A0
BY BRENT ISRAELSEN (c) 2003,=20
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE=20
=A0
A dead hog lies on the grated metal floor as other pigs trample over it.=20
Another pig is down, still breathing but unconscious. A runt, with protrudin=
g=20
...=20


=A0

From:	IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu"  "Garner, Joseph P." 20-JAN-2003 17:05:38.04
To:	IN%"duz_16@yahoo.com"  "'Joseph Barber'"
CC:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "'Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca'"
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder? migration?

Stereotypy is pretty obvious to the trained eye. But a trained eye has yet
to see these particular birds!

There's evidence in pigeons as well as voles (though contrary to old-wives
tale, no evidence in horses) that stereotypies can be transmitted between
adjacent cage-mates.

Of course the other option, is that the original birds were performing
stereotypies already but no-one had noticed, so it might merely be a switch
of stereotypy form, rather than a whole flock of birds suddenly taking up
the behavior. (I actually find this a little implausible, given the
remarkeable fixity of stereotypy form in mammals - although we do have a
paper in press with Animal behavior, where we see a remarkeable plasticity
of both performance and form in songbirds).

My 2c

Joe.
__________________________

Dr. Joseph Garner,
University of California,
Department of Animal Science,
One Shields Avenue,
Davis,
CA 95616
USA

Phone: (530) 752 1253
Fax: (530) 752 0175


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Barber [mailto:duz_16@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:19 AM
> To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca
> Subject: RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? 
> obsessive/compulsive disorder?migration?
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> There are those of you out there who know more about 
> stereotypies and neurotic disorders than I, but I suspect 
> that the behaviour exhibitied by the penguins cannot be fully 
> attributed to stereotypic behaviour. Although I too would 
> like more information about the behaviour of both groups of 
> penguins before they were brought together, and how they were 
> introduced. Other than some studies done on voles, I don't 
> know of any other work in the literature that describes a 
> stereotypic behaviour being so readily transmitted throughout 
> a group of animals in such a small period of time.
> 
> As for the migration theory, does anyone know when
> this species would typically migrate? The new birds
> were introduced in Novemeber, and it may be that this
> time of the year represents their species-approprietae 
> migration time..., maybe.
> 
> In the end, this behaviour may be caused by a
> combination of factors. Let us say that new birds,
> perhaps typically more active in their former
> institution, took to the water in the face of an
> establsihed colony of 46 birds to avoid potentially
> aversive interactions with dominant individuals (does
> this species have a hierarchy?), since the water
> allows for a speedy get away. The established birds
> seeeking to investuigate the newcomers may have taken
> to the water in pursuit. The sight of several birds
> swimming at high velocity around the pool may have
> caused an increased motivation on the observing birds
> to swim (e.g., social facilitation - something seen
> commonly in chickens), and the more birds that joined
> in the swimming, the greater the social stimulus may
> have become. This is similar to positive feedback.
> Such swimming itself may then have promoted any
> 'dormant' migration behaviours, if these were also a 
> contributring factor. Just a theory...
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
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From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 20-JAN-2003 17:52:05.82
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Stereotypical Behavior in Captive Wolves

If anyone has done, or knows where I can find, research on stereotypical behavior in captive wolves I would appreciate getting the information.

Thanks.

Vivian Singer-Ferris


From:	IN%"carlos@playoflife.com"  "Dr Carlos A Raimundo" 21-JAN-2003 00:33:07.02
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Ethology

Could somebody send me a contemporary definition of Ethology.

 

Thanks
Carlos

 

Dr Carlos A Raimundo

Active Learning Pty Limited

P.O.Box 275

Gladesville 2111 Australia

Ph: (02) 9879-0515

carlos@playoflife.com - www.playoflife.com

From:	IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com"  "Canine Academy" 21-JAN-2003 03:09:30.21
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Applied- ethology"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder?migration?

Good point Robin.   Or feed them more  before someone else gives them
Ritalin!
Glynne.


> Release them before someone gives them Prozak!
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris gotman [mailto:chris.gotman@sympatico.ca]
> Sent: 18 January 2003 15:21
> To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca
> Subject: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder?
> migration?
>
>
> The following is intreguing. Has anyone insight into possible cause and
> outcomes in this case?
>
> Chris Gotman
> Quebec, Canada
>
>
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20030116-0143-ca-brainwashedpenguin
> s.html
>
>  S.F. Zookeepers perplexed by endless circle-swimming penguins
>
>       ASSOCIATED PRESS
>       January 16, 2003
>
>       SAN FRANCISCO - A few penguins swimming leisurely every now and then
> at the San Francisco Zoo is nothing new. But dozens of them doing laps in
> unison all day to the point of exhaustion has zookeepers perplexed.
>
>       "We've lost complete control," said Jane Tollini, the zoos penguin
> keeper. "It's a free-for-all in here. After 18 years of doing this job,
> these birds are making mincemeat of me."
>
>       It all started in November when six newcomer Megellannic penguins,
> formerly of Sea World in Aurora, Ohio, were brought in.
>
>       Since then the penguin pool at the San Francisco Zoo has been a
daily
> frenzy of circle swimming by all of the 52 birds at once.
>
>       The penguins start swimming in circles early in the day and rarely
> stop until they stagger out of the pool dead tired at dusk.
>
>       The six penguins from Ohio started it all, Tollini said, apparently
> convincing the others to join them for the watery daily circuit.
>
>       "I can't figure out how the Aurora penguins communicated and changed
> the minds of the other 46," Tollini said.
>
>       On a recent day, Tollini said that the penguins would normally be in
> their burrows in pairs. Instead they swam dizzying circles at her feet.
>
>       She hand feeds them all, names them, and monitors the penguin
> enclosure that has become a bit of a lap pool. The pairs, Pearl and Bluto,
> Grumpy and Shamu, Captain and Ditz, all have taken part in the bizarre
> circle swims.
>
>       Some penguin experts point to the highly social animals as being
open
> to new ideas fostered by newcomers in to the zoo's so-called Penguin
Island.
>
>       "Penguins are extraordinarily social birds," said Christina Slager,
> associate curator at Monterey Bay Aquarium. She has studied Magellanics in
> the wild in Patagonia and Chile.
>
>       "And they're very, very inquisitive. If you combine those facts and
> put in a new stimulus, like the six new penguins, they have to check it
> out."
>
>       Ian Hiler, director of touring exhibits at Audubon Aquarium of the
> Americas in New Orleans, said it only takes a couple of headstrong
penguins
> to start a trend - in this case a seemingly endless exercise in swimming.
>
>       "Usually there are one or two dominant birds," Hiler said. "Somehow
> these animals came up and showed they're worthy of being followed."
>
>       Aquatic biologist Pam Schaller of the Steinhart Aquarium in San
> Francisco described it in more matter-of-fact terms.
>
>       "Genetically, they're designed to swim," Schaller said. "I'd be more
> amazed if the six had learned to do something not in penguin nature and
> showed the other 46 how to do it - like if the birds were trained to jump
> through a hoop."
>
>       Tollini said genetics aside, she hopes the Mark Spitz routine stops
> soon.

From:	IN%"pdic@btclick.com"  "Pig Disease Information Centre UK" 21-JAN-2003 05:00:36.17
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S.

Thanks for drawing this to our attention, Marlene.

It makes shocking reading, and even more shocking viewing of the video and
photos.

Two practical issues arise from the circumstances of these abuses...

---------------------------
Humane Euthanasia of Pigs
---------------------------
The American Association of Swine Veterinarians (AASV) has an excellent
on-line booklet on humane euthanasia techniques at:
www.aasv.org/aasv/euthanasia.pdf
Humane euthanasia and shooting techniques are also well described and
illustrated in:
"Managing Pig Health & Treatment of Disease" see:
www.pighealth.com/MEDIA/P/BOOKS/MANAGEBK.HTM

---------------------------------------------
Changing stockperson attitudes and behavior:
---------------------------------------------

see:
www.pighealth.com/MEDIA/P/BOOKS/BKDETAIL/HEMSWORT.HTM


Yours sincerely
Mike Meredith

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From:	IN%"carlos@playoflife.com"  "Dr Carlos A Raimundo" 21-JAN-2003 05:49:42.54
To:	IN%"katpad@zoom.co.uk"  "'F J & K E O'Flynn'"
CC:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
Subj:	RE: Ethology

Thank you. 

K Lorenz and others had worked extensively comparing animal behaviour
with human behaviour, I as a psychiatrist utilize these concepts in my
practice as well as in my new career (after an MBA) as a corporate
consultant and author (Relationship capital Prentice Hall 2002. Should I
use another term to describe an animal behaviour applied into human
behaviour?. (If you're interested you can look at
http://www.playoflife.com/1_Articles/articles_home.html click in Work
and Life satisfaction where I wrote a little on that topic in a mini
thesis. 

Carlos

 

-----Original Message-----
From: F J & K E O'Flynn [mailto:katpad@zoom.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 10:27 PM
To: Dr Carlos A Raimundo
Subject: Re: Ethology

 

Ethology - the study of the behaviour of animals in their normal
environment. 

 

Kind regards,

 

Kate O'Flynn. DipCABT

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Dr Carlos A Raimundo <mailto:carlos@playoflife.com>  

To: 

Sent: 21 January, 2003 6:31 AM

Subject: Ethology

 

Could somebody send me a contemporary definition of Ethology.

 

Thanks
Carlos

 

Dr Carlos A Raimundo

Active Learning Pty Limited

P.O.Box 275

Gladesville 2111 Australia

Ph: (02) 9879-0515

carlos@playoflife.com - www.playoflife.com

From:	IN%"Shetts@aol.com" 21-JAN-2003 09:23:16.69
To:	IN%"carlos@playoflife.com"
CC:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
Subj:	RE: Ethology

In a message dated 01/21/2003 4:52:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
carlos@playoflife.com writes:


> Ethology - the study of the behaviour of animals in their normal 
> environment. 
> 
> while this definition may not be wrong, it seems to be limiting and perhaps 
over simplified.  A brief perusal of Ed Barrows "Animal Behavior Desk 
Reference: A Dictionary of Animal Behaivor, Ecology and Evolution" 2nd 
Edition uses 2 1/2 pages to give examples of the various definitions of 
ethology, from classic to applied.  Of all the definitions he looked at , he 
picked the following as "appropriate for wide spread use" while commenting 
that "The boudnaries of ethology adn other sciences are ill defined"
Ethology - "the study of animal behaviors that deals with their causation 
(including external stimualtion, internal physiological mechanims and 
states), development (including ontogeny and genetics), ecology (including 
physiological and learning adaptations) and evolution ( including origins and 
modifications). " Ethological studies can be conducted not only in their 
'normal environments' but also under controlled conditions in the laboratory.
Best,
Suzanne


Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D.
Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist
Animal Behavior Associates, Inc.
Littleton, CO
www.animalbehaviorassociates.com


From:	IN%"lars.schrader@fal.de"  "Dr. Lars Schrader" 21-JAN-2003 11:10:19.22
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	position in Animal Physiology

Institute for Animal Welfare and Animal Husbandry, Federal Agricultural=20
Research Centre, Celle, Germany

Applications are invited for a position in Animal Physiology

The Institute for Animal Welfare and Animal Husbandry is a recently founded=
=20
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of the institute=92s research is to develop and validate ethological,=20
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=20
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The applicant will be responsible to build up and establish the=20
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The successful candidate is expected to have a PhD in Biology or Veterinary=
=20
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physiology is desired. The candidates should appreciate to work in an=20
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=20
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The contract will be limited to three years but conversion into a permanent=
=20
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Please contact Dr. Lars Schrader for further details. Dead line for=20
applications is 15th February 2003. Applications should be send to

Institute for Animal Welfare and Animal Husbandry
D=F6rnbergstra=DFe 25-27
D-29223 Celle
Germany



Dr. Lars Schrader
Federal Agricultural Research Centre
Institute for Animal Welfare and Animal Husbandry
Doernbergstrasse 25-27
29223 Celle
Germany
fon: +49-(0)5141-3846101   fax: +49-(0)5141-3846117
lars.schrader@fal.de         www.tt.fal.de

From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 21-JAN-2003 13:04:18.44
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Definition of Ethology, with a note about O.cuniculus

Hi, I got my masters in biology/ethology from the last man to get a PhD =
under Dr. Niko Tinbergen, winner of the 1973 Nobel prize in medicine for =
ethology.=20

In those days, Dr. Tinbergen, Dr. Lorenz and Dr. Von Frisch did field =
studies.  These were maybe augmented by lab work.  But the point of =
their studies were to observe the animals' behaviors in their natural =
environment and to run experiments in that environment.

Ethologists wanted to understand how the animal functioned in its own =
world.  By such observation over a long period of time it was possible =
to notice things that were not possible to notice in a lab. That would =
give the ethologist an idea of how the animals' behaviors had evolved to =
allow the animals' survival.=20

A very important tool for the ethologist then was to catalog the =
animals' behaviors in its environment.  Lorenz was famous for this with =
geese.  Ethologists thought back then that a person didn't know an =
animal until they had spent a great deal of time, months at least, =
simply watching the animals in their own world.   The idea was to learn =
how the animals communicated and to compare the resulting behavioral =
catalog with those of closely related species, so that the ethologist =
could learn how behaviors had evolved to allow that species to fit its =
"niche".  Also to allow the ethologist to see a behavioral taxonomy, not =
the classic structural one within species.

The nobel prize winners in ethology in 1973 had experienced WWII.  They =
also had the hope that their discipline could allow mankind to =
understand its own self better so that we might see why we are violent =
and maybe stop future catastrophe.

When Ethology tried to take root in the USA it immediately came up =
against the nature-nuture controversy because until then only mostly =
psychologists had done animal experiments and these were done only in =
the lab.  Psychologists argued that behavior was mostly learned and =
violently rebelled against the inherited behavior view that Dr. Lorenz's =
imprinting studies highlighted.  Biologists in the USA trying to deal =
with this major challenge came up eventually with the selfish gene, E.O. =
Wilson's sociobiology and also theoretical models of gene expression in =
populations.  Classic Ethology's message was lost, in my opinion, =
because it wasn't popular. No one could get a PhD from sitting and =
observing animals, writing a catalog. Also, it wasn't popular because it =
was impossible to get funding to sit and observe an animal in its =
environment for a long time.  So it turned out that studies of animals =
in their natural environment were done by wildlife biologists whose =
agenda was to observe a population and define how to control its numbers =
-- how to manage it.

So, for example, when I tried to find a good behavioral work on O. =
cuniculus, the domestic rabbit or even of *any* of its relatives, I have =
not been able to find one.  There are wildlife studies- a few from =
Australia and one from the warren at Puget Sound.  Dr. McBride did a =
doctoral thesis, unobtainable, that might contain data but her popular =
books miss a bit from her lack of formal zoological training.  Lockley =
did the ONLY study of rabbits "underground" and the data has been lost.  =
A group in Germany has observed a captive population (somewhat =
overpopulated) of O.cuniculus for 10 years but their focus has been =
physiological measurements and a behavioral catalog is not =
published/cannot get one.  Right now many in Hungary are doing =
ethological studies of rabbits -- mostly food preference type things. =
This is an animal who has given its lives to us in lab medicine for over =
a hundred years, and has served as peoples' backyard meatsource for =
hundreds of years.  Yet, I don't think that we KNOW this animal.  Half =
its life is spent in warren tunnels.   Some tunnels in a wild colony are =
documented to have been in continuous use for over thirty years.  We =
know absolutely NOTHING about O. cuniculus social interactions and =
vocalizations in the tunnels. Pet owners who keep neutered rabbits in =
their homes, free running 24 hrs., living for ten or more years, are =
reporting many many rabbit behaviors simply missed by scientists in any =
of their works.

So for all the years we've traveled since Dr. Tinbergen, Dr. Lorenz and =
Dr. Von Frisch received the nobel prize, we have not learned (IMHO) to =
do what they recommended most: a long examination of the animals' =
behaviors in the wild, with a resulting catalog of those behaviors.  If =
the animal is domesticated then you needed to observe its closest living =
wild relative.

H.Mcmurray
m.s. biology/ethology=

From:	IN%"lauraquinlivan@hotmail.com"  "Laura Quinlivan" 21-JAN-2003 17:25:29.17
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	good moms-bad moms

Hi all-

I know that in lab animal work there are certain mouse strains that 
traditionally make excellent moms (ICR, BALB/C) and certain mouse strains 
that traditionally make very bad moms (C57BL/6, FVB), especially for the 
purposes of fostering pups. Can anyone out there tell me if they've 
experienced any rat strains in doing lab animal work that generally make 
particularly bad moms?

Thanks-

Laura Quinlivan, LATg
Lab Animal Research and Resources
Texas A&M University
College Station, Texas

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From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 22-JAN-2003 14:21:53.77
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Naked rabbits

Hi, this is a rabbit welfare and ethics question really.  A prominent rabbit geneticist and meat production person has been raising bald rabbits since 8/2002.  

In my opinion there are serious questions about the ethics of creating a rabbit without fur with the intent to breed thousands maybe millions of them in tropical meat rabbitries.  

I am looking for information on the following.

1) The physiological effect of removing fur from an animal who cannot sweat through their skin

2) The psychological effect of removing fur from an animal who depends upon allogrooming as a key social activity 

3) The occurance of mange in hairless animals -vs- furred animals in the tropics

4) The role of fur in protecting animals from fly strike and other insect-vectored diseases

5) The psychological effect of removing fur from an animal that constantly grooms itself (there may be info. about this in companion animal research under bald cats and their psychoses).

6) The danger of reducing an animal's core body temperature by one degree average

7) Eating as a displacement activity for any of the above

8) The dangers of rabbits (HEAVY rabbits) sitting on wire/other surfaces without fur to protect their hocks

Thank you,
H.McMurray
m.s. biology/ethology


From:	IN%"sheltie1@ix.netcom.com" 22-JAN-2003 23:22:17.13
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Naked rabbits

>6) The danger of reducing an animal's core body temperature by one 
>degree average
>
>7) Eating as a displacement activity for any of the above
>
>8) The dangers of rabbits (HEAVY rabbits) sitting on wire/other 
>surfaces without fur to protect their hocks
>
>Thank you,
>H.McMurray
>m.s. biology/ethology
>


-- 
You might want to look at bald rats, mice, dogs, etc. Baldness is a 
normal variant of a number of mammal species--even humans! The bald 
animals need to be kept warm and protected from sunburn but the ones 
I have seen in person seem just as healthy and content as their 
furred counterparts.

-L.M.M.

From:	IN%"sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch" 23-JAN-2003 05:17:34.95
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	bedding for hamsters

Dear all:

Our golden hamsters over about 1 year of age show hair loss and reddish,
scaly skin (symptoms vary). These animals have been thoroughly examined by
dermatologists and vets specialized in laboratory animals. Parasites, fungi,
and other known diseases could be excluded. It is most likely that our
hamsters show some sort of allergy or hypersensibility. My question to you
who keep rodents: have you noticed skin problems connected with the usage of
wood shaving from pines? Should we switch to wood shavings from broad-leaved
trees? Any suggestions and ideas are welcome. I already have the paper by
Meshorer (1976): the leg lesions look different from what we find.

With kind regards,


S. G. Gebhardt-Henrich
Institute of Animal Breeding
Division of Animal Husbandry and Welfare
Postfach 8466
CH-3001 Bern, Switzerland
sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch




From:	IN%"i.huguetto@socsci.gla.ac.uk"  "Isabelle Huguetto" 23-JAN-2003 05:43:27.07
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: bedding for hamsters

I know of skin problems caused by pine shavings in chinchillas when the 
wood hasn't been dried properly.  It's a type of allergic reaction to the 
volatile compounds in pine wood that should be removed when it's properly 
kiln-dried.  It's not always possible to know how the wood was dried so I 
use compressed shredded paper instead which is available from large pet 
stores.

Regards,

Isabelle Huguetto

At 12:18 23/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear all:
>
>Our golden hamsters over about 1 year of age show hair loss and reddish,
>scaly skin (symptoms vary). These animals have been thoroughly examined by
>dermatologists and vets specialized in laboratory animals. Parasites, fungi,
>and other known diseases could be excluded. It is most likely that our
>hamsters show some sort of allergy or hypersensibility. My question to you
>who keep rodents: have you noticed skin problems connected with the usage of
>wood shaving from pines? Should we switch to wood shavings from broad-leaved
>trees? Any suggestions and ideas are welcome. I already have the paper by
>Meshorer (1976): the leg lesions look different from what we find.
>
>With kind regards,
>
>
>S. G. Gebhardt-Henrich
>Institute of Animal Breeding
>Division of Animal Husbandry and Welfare
>Postfach 8466
>CH-3001 Bern, Switzerland
>sabine.gebhardt@itz.unibe.ch


From:	IN%"margory@rcn.com"  "margory cohen" 23-JAN-2003 07:59:57.95
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S. - and penguins

margory cohen here,

With just a note of caution --  
I do indeed caution any reports that come from PETA videos, not only because of people (2 I know personally) who have been set up by such tapings (which was proved in court) -- and there are amongst us people who work in situations where just this kind of thing can happen, but also, frankly, I can't not wonder what was the videographer doing not to stop such event instead.

I'm in San Francisco.  I expect at any time a PETA spokesperson to speak of the cruelty the swimming penguins are experiencing!

TV Report day before yesterday had them still swimming and Messrs. Joseph and Barber, appreciate yours on this.  I have not even locally read of anybody coming in to observe this.  Quotes from others outside but nothing beyond that that I've heard.
-margory cohen

Scottish Deerhounds
San Francisco

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rexxie1@aol.com 
  To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca 
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:24 PM
  Subject: Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S.


  FYI from Marlene Halverson



  Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S., Seaboard (Oklahoma) and Smithfield (Circle 4, Utah).  See also PETA website for Seaboard legal case cruelty evidence, including video:
  http://www.peta.org/feat/invest/disclaimer.html


  http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID =974021&pic=none&TP=getarticle
  Daily Oklahoman

  //
  PETA's activist, who also worked at the farm, sent copies of the videotape
  to The Daily Oklahoman and to Texas County authorities. The case drew
  support from actress Rue McClanahan, an Oklahoma native who asked forme r
  District Attorney Donald Wood to aggressively prosecute Pena.

From:	IN%"Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov" 23-JAN-2003 12:38:22.29
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	wildlife research

I was wondering if anyone is familiar with research techniques regarding
wild canids. I am in the process of investigating a pack of urban coyotes in
Ohio and have been disturbed by some of the practices conducted by wildlife
biologists. I found that some of the research biologists pull coyote's teeth
and cut one of their toes off to help identify individual paw prints. I
don't know of any animal behaviorists in the psychology field that would
conduct or condone this treatment. Does this seem invasive to other
researchers? As far as cognitive ethology goes, which i hope can encompass
behavioral ecology, I thought the goal was to observe the animal without
interfering with it's life to any aggregious extent. Not only is this
practice very painful, but it may very well interfere with a coyote's
ability to function, and could lead to an infection. I was quite disturbed
by this information and am very happy that I chose to become a behaviorist
through Psychology. I was originally a wildlife biology major but switched
to psych when I learned that the majority of biologists work for the US
Gov't and are paid to kill hundreds of thousands of animals to "control" the
population or "protect" tourists. 
  It is time for us to emerge from the dark ages and utilize modern
technology. I don't think brutal practices such as this are necessary or
benficial to the animals we are supposed to be helping. We have a moral
obligation to practice "ethical science". We must ask ourselves if the
information garnered from the animal's pain truly justifies itself. We must
not become lazy or complacent if we are to be responsible scientists.

 

From:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com" 23-JAN-2003 13:01:22.13
To:	IN%"margory@rcn.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S. - and penguins

Margory

Notwithstanding your concerns over PETA, it is important to note that, in the 
Seaboard case, it was reported that the worker himself pled to three counts 
of felony cruelty to animals stemming from the beating.

A similar undercover video by a PETA worker led to convictions in a North 
Carolina court of farm workers at a hog facility for cruelty to animals.  In 
that instance, the farm workers were taped by a PETA worker beating sows, 
sticking a rod up the anus of a pig, and skinning a still vocalizing sow.  A 
number of experts, including Dr. Temple Grandin, were asked to and provided 
commentary on the cruelty shown in the video.

I imagine fear for one's own safety as well as the need to document the 
ongoing abuses provide reasons for not intervening to stop workers when the 
abuses occur.  To stop one beating by personal intervention cannot guarantee 
that further abuses will not occur at some future date when the same workers 
are left on their own.  It is more effective to facilitate legal actions 
that, hopefully, will result in appropriate punishment of the workers and 
their removal from any employment dealing with animals.

One problem that is not solved by this approach is holding responsible the 
companies that employ the workers and provide the demoralizing working 
conditions that can lead to bad behavior.  Such restrictive confinement of 
animals as occurs in food animal factories can provide easy opportunities for 
animal abuse by frustrated, underpaid, or unskilled workers.  The animals 
obviously cannot get away from their tormentors.  Punishing the workers, 
unfortunately, does not force the companies to improve how they provide for 
the welfare of the animals and their workers.

Marlene Halverson


From:	IN%"slindsay@ix.netcom.com"  "Steven Lindsay" 23-JAN-2003 14:04:53.61
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Quotation?

"Every animal is an end in itself."  This quotation has been attributed to
Goethe.  Does any one recognize it or know where it might be found.

Thanks for your help.

Steve Lindsay 


From:	IN%"chris.gotman@sympatico.ca" 23-JAN-2003 19:05:18.52
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder? migration?

The associate curator of birds at the San Francisco zoo was kind enough to provide me with further information on their marathon magellanic penguins. I've posted his correspondance below.

sincerely,
Chris Gotman
Quebec, Canada

please reply to Applied-Ethology at mailto:applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca

 -------------------------------------------------

 

My, what a stir we caused with the penguin story!  We have been deluged 
with theories from all over the world.  They range from changes in the 
earth's polarity to the birds searching for their ancestry (this one 
from the pet psychic who has been in touch with the birds...........).  
 
To answer your specific questions:
 
These 6 birds lived at the Sea World Ohio facility before that facility 
was sold to Six Flags about two years ago.  At that time, the penguins 
were not part of the deal and so they were transferred to the San Diego 
Sea World.  At the Ohio facility, the colony did have the tradition of 
taking to the water and swimming from sometime in November until 
breeding season started in March/April.  The staff there had techniques 
for effectively feeding the birds in the water during this extended 
period of aquatic aerobics.  At the San Diego facility, they apparently 
did not display the "migration" phenomenon. 
 
When they are swimming as a group, there is no apparent hierarchy as to 
who gets to be in the lead position. 
 
In the wild, Magellanic penguins do partake of what might be called 
a migration.  They hit the water between breeding seasons and travel 
along the coast of South America, covering hundreds of miles, before 
turning around and heading for home.  It is unclear whether it is a 
matter of following food resources or if there is some other impetus for 
their travels.  
 
So, my theory on the sudden change of the colony's behavior?  The 
colony has been fairly static in terms of the introduction of new 
individuals over the years (besides chicks).  There were a handful of 
new birds introduced in the early 1990's and a couple new ones added in 
2001.  Neither of those introductions stimulated any change in the 
colony's behavior patterns.  But none of those birds came from a 
situation where "migration" was a tradition.  We had anticipated the new 
birds being ostracized for quite some time until they integrated into 
the colony.  However, when these 6 birds hit the exhibit, they continued 
what for them was a normal behavior pattern -- it's winter, time to swim 
till breeding season.  I suspect that this was quite unsettling for the 
old colony.  The resident birds somehow picked up on this urge to swim 
and concluded that, for whatever reason, they should join in.  I think 
the new birds made the existing group a bit uneasy and so they followed 
suit out of a sense of something not being quite right and began to swim 
as a survival strategy.  As time has passed, the swimming marathons are 
getting shorter.  More birds are reverting to their old behavior 
patterns (although they are much buffer now than they 
were previously!).  The timing of this introduction may have also been a 
factor.  This time of year, when they aren't having to defend 
burrows, the birds may be more prone to stimulation/disruption than they 
would be prior to breeding or during molt.  
 
Bottom line, the birds are all fine and no one is talking........
 
Peter Shannon
Associate Curator of Birds     
 

From:	IN%"chris.gotman@sympatico.ca" 23-JAN-2003 20:21:21.93
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: wildlife research

Dear Cindy Schulze,

   Wildlife research is invasive regardless of technique, as is 
psychology. Identifying members of a population and following them 
without the aid of radio telemetry or habituating them to human 
observers isn't always feasable. Which is less stressful: being stuck 
with a collar that doesn't come off and being periodically recaptured to 
replace batteries, or losing a toe once? I seriously doubt the lost toe 
inhibits a coyote's ability to function normally. I consider toe 
amputation to be the least invasive permanent marking technique. As for 
tooth extraction, I believe in bears a small incisor is selected, and 
I'd expect the same choice in coyotes. Dental formula for most canids: 
3/3 1/1 4/4 2/3. Counting annuli in teeth and bones is a reliable method 
of age determination in mammals living in a seasonal environment. 
Extracting a small tooth is probably the least stressful method of 
procuring this material in live mammals.

  Although asking the question "how would I like it if some omnivore 
pinned me to the ground, chopped off one of my fingers and yanked out 
one of my teeth" is a natural first approach to interspecies ethics, 
inquiry shouldn't end there. Coyotes probably don't use their digits and 
incisors to the same extent as we do, functionally or socially. You may 
be aware that there is a social aspect to pain awareness. I suggest that 
coyotes get over pain a lot faster than we would.

sincerely,
Chris Gotman
Quebec, Canada

From:	IN%"simon@gadbois.org"  "Simon Gadbois" 23-JAN-2003 20:50:24.90
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: wildlife research

Chris,
Obviously Cindy Schulze forgets about physiological psychology, 
psychopharmacology, psychoneuroimmunology (just to name a few 
sub-fields of psychology) that use invasive methods left, right and 
centre. I actually moved from psychopharmacology (part of my master's 
degree) to ethology/behavioural endocrinology for my Ph.D. (with 
wolves) because I could not stomach to peform daily surgeries on rats 
that would wake up with a "hat" holding a cannula going deep into their 
brain. Sorry, but experimental/physiological psychology and the other 
neurosciences are far from having a clean record...
An no, by the way, nothing invasive was done to our wolves... Just 
collecting yellow snow...

Simon Gadbois

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Simon Gadbois, Ph.D.
Behavioural endocrinology and canine ethology.
http://www.Gadbois.org/


On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:36 PM, Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov 
wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone is familiar with research techniques 
> regarding
> wild canids. I am in the process of investigating a pack of urban 
> coyotes in
> Ohio and have been disturbed by some of the practices conducted by 
> wildlife
> biologists. I found that some of the research biologists pull coyote's 
> teeth
> and cut one of their toes off to help identify individual paw prints. I
> don't know of any animal behaviorists in the psychology field that 
> would
> conduct or condone this treatment. Does this seem invasive to other
> researchers? As far as cognitive ethology goes, which i hope can 
> encompass
> behavioral ecology, I thought the goal was to observe the animal 
> without
> interfering with it's life to any aggregious extent. Not only is this
> practice very painful, but it may very well interfere with a coyote's
> ability to function, and could lead to an infection. I was quite 
> disturbed
> by this information and am very happy that I chose to become a 
> behaviorist
> through Psychology. I was originally a wildlife biology major but 
> switched
> to psych when I learned that the majority of biologists work for the US
> Gov't and are paid to kill hundreds of thousands of animals to 
> "control" the
> population or "protect" tourists.
>   It is time for us to emerge from the dark ages and utilize modern
> technology. I don't think brutal practices such as this are necessary 
> or
> benficial to the animals we are supposed to be helping. We have a moral
> obligation to practice "ethical science". We must ask ourselves if the
> information garnered from the animal's pain truly justifies itself. We 
> must
> not become lazy or complacent if we are to be responsible scientists.

From:	IN%"Lesley.King@linacre.oxford.ac.uk"  "Lesley Anne King" 23-JAN-2003 21:35:20.03
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca '"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: wildlife research

 Dear all,
Re: Cindy's original query and Simon's message: The Animal Behavior Society
in the US and ASAB in the UK publish joint ethical guidelines which can be
found at http://www.elsevier.com/inca/publications/store/6/2/2/7/8/2/. These
guidelines are used by 'Animal Behaviour' journal editors to assess the
acceptability of research articles for this prestigious journal. They
include guidelines for fieldwork, which emphasise minimial impact on
observed animals and the use of 'minimally invasive' techniques. The
International Society for Applied Ethology also has guidelines for ethical
consideration of research protocols. 

Every piece of research that indirectly or directly impacts upon sentient
animals should, as a matter of standard review, consider its ethical
implications. The use of 'bad' and unrelated examples from other types of
research is not particularly helpful in this case - i.e. saying that one
thing is unpleasant does not necessarily make another thing less unpleasant
or more acceptable.

Finally, Simon, as a point of order, or just of basic manners, talking ABOUT
someone who is on a list, particularly in a questionable tone, is just plain
rude. I don't know Cindy, or you, but would expect each of us to respect
opinions expressed, in the same respectful way that they expect their own to
be treated.
Best wishes,
Lesley

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Gadbois
To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca
Sent: 1/24/03 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: wildlife research



Chris, 
Obviously Cindy Schulze forgets about physiological psychology,
psychopharmacology, psychoneuroimmunology (just to name a few sub-fields
of psychology) that use invasive methods left, right and centre. I
actually moved from psychopharmacology (part of my master's degree) to
ethology/behavioural endocrinology for my Ph.D. (with wolves) because I
could not stomach to peform daily surgeries on rats that would wake up
with a "hat" holding a cannula going deep into their brain. Sorry, but
experimental/physiological psychology and the other neurosciences are
far from having a clean record... 
An no, by the way, nothing invasive was done to our wolves... Just
collecting yellow snow... 

Simon Gadbois 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Simon Gadbois, Ph.D. 
Behavioural endocrinology and canine ethology. 
http://www.Gadbois.org/ 


On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:36 PM, Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov
wrote: 


>I was wondering if anyone is familiar with research techniques
>regarding 
>wild canids. I am in the process of investigating a pack of urban
>coyotes in 
>Ohio and have been disturbed by some of the practices conducted by
>wildlife 
>biologists. I found that some of the research biologists pull coyote's
>teeth 
>and cut one of their toes off to help identify individual paw prints. I
>
>don't know of any animal behaviorists in the psychology field that
>would 
>conduct or condone this treatment. Does this seem invasive to other 
>researchers? As far as cognitive ethology goes, which i hope can
>encompass 
>behavioral ecology, I thought the goal was to observe the animal
>without 
>interfering with it's life to any aggregious extent. Not only is this 
>practice very painful, but it may very well interfere with a coyote's 
>ability to function, and could lead to an infection. I was quite
>disturbed 
>by this information and am very happy that I chose to become a
>behaviorist 
>through Psychology. I was originally a wildlife biology major but
>switched 
>to psych when I learned that the majority of biologists work for the US
>
>Gov't and are paid to kill hundreds of thousands of animals to
>"control" the 
>population or "protect" tourists.  
>  It is time for us to emerge from the dark ages and utilize modern 
>technology. I don't think brutal practices such as this are necessary
>or 
>benficial to the animals we are supposed to be helping. We have a moral
>
>obligation to practice "ethical science". We must ask ourselves if the 
>information garnered from the animal's pain truly justifies itself. We
>must 
>not become lazy or complacent if we are to be responsible scientists. 


From:	IN%"ceann-icrc@lycos.com" 23-JAN-2003 21:35:48.83
To:	IN%"Applied-Ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Fwd: Coyote research

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DATE: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:27:28
From: "CeAnn Lambert" <ceann-icrc@lycos.com>
To: Applied-Ethology@sask.usak.ca
Cc:info@kerwoodwolf.com
Cindy,
  It is refreshing to know that there is someone like you willing to study these wonderful animals without feeling the need to mutilate them. They have a history of having gas poured on them while sill pups in the den and set on fire.  They have been caught in leghold traps and then had half of their lower jaw  removed and then turned loose unable to drink water or eat food.  They have been caught in snares and struggled for hours before they die.  They have chewed off their leggs in order to remove themselves from leghold traps and now they have people wanting to remove their digits  that will certainly make it very difficult to catch mice and then remove teeth so that they can't eat the mice if they do catch them.
As far as interfering in their social bahavior goes, facial expressions are very important in their social interactions. The number of teeth shown and which teeth are shown is very important.
I actually had tears in my eyes reading the post from Chris.
CeAnn Lambert
Indiana Coyote Rescue Center


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From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 24-JAN-2003 01:56:42.29
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: wildlife research

When you talk about pain in coyotes, are you saying that no pain medicine is
given to that animal when either a tooth is taken or a toe amputated?  Is
that coyote given a shot of antibiotics?

Has anyone done a control study to determine whether or not there is a
difference between a group of coyotes in their natural state and a group of
coyotes missing a tooth and a digit?



----- Original Message -----
From: "chris gotman" <chris.gotman@sympatico.ca>
To: <Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:20 PM
Subject: re: wildlife research


> Dear Cindy Schulze,
>
>    Wildlife research is invasive regardless of technique, as is
> psychology. Identifying members of a population and following them
> without the aid of radio telemetry or habituating them to human
> observers isn't always feasable. Which is less stressful: being stuck
> with a collar that doesn't come off and being periodically recaptured to
> replace batteries, or losing a toe once? I seriously doubt the lost toe
> inhibits a coyote's ability to function normally. I consider toe
> amputation to be the least invasive permanent marking technique. As for
> tooth extraction, I believe in bears a small incisor is selected, and
> I'd expect the same choice in coyotes. Dental formula for most canids:
> 3/3 1/1 4/4 2/3. Counting annuli in teeth and bones is a reliable method
> of age determination in mammals living in a seasonal environment.
> Extracting a small tooth is probably the least stressful method of
> procuring this material in live mammals.
>
>   Although asking the question "how would I like it if some omnivore
> pinned me to the ground, chopped off one of my fingers and yanked out
> one of my teeth" is a natural first approach to interspecies ethics,
> inquiry shouldn't end there. Coyotes probably don't use their digits and
> incisors to the same extent as we do, functionally or socially. You may
> be aware that there is a social aspect to pain awareness. I suggest that
> coyotes get over pain a lot faster than we would.
>
> sincerely,
> Chris Gotman
> Quebec, Canada

From:	IN%"sbc@kvl.dk"  "Stine B Christiansen" 24-JAN-2003 04:11:56.65
To:	IN%"Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Vedr.: wildlife research

Hi all,
Besides pointing to the guidelines already mentioned by Lesley Anne King,  =
I would like to mention, that the ethical concern here need not be only =
with pain, changes in behaviour or other welfare aspects. From some =
ethical points of view simply removing healthy parts of an animal's body =
may be seen as a violation of that animal's integrity and thus be =
unacceptable. A more moderate version of that view may want to balance, =
whether the information obtained through the research justifies the =
procedure, but still - as a starting point - regardless of the potential =
harmful consequenses for the animal, find such a procedure wrong. (Of =
course harmful consequenses will add to the "wrongness", but my point is =
that such consequnces need not be present for some people to object on =
ethical grounds).

Stine

Stine B. Christiansen
cand.med.vet. (DVM), MSc, PhD-stud.

Det Dyreetiske R=E5d/The Danish Animal Ethics Council
Center for Bioetik og Risikovurdering/Centre for Bioethics and Risk =
Assessment

Den Kgl. Veterin=E6r- og Landboh=F8jskole/The Royal Veterinary and =
Agricultural University
Bioetik/Bioethics
Gr=F8nneg=E5rdsvej 8
1870 Frederiksberg C
Copenhagen
Denmark

tlf./ph.: +45 3528 3075
fax: +45 3528 3022
e-mail: sbc@kvl.dk=20


>>> <Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov> 23-01-03 19:36 >>>
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with research techniques regarding
wild canids. I am in the process of investigating a pack of urban coyotes =
in
Ohio and have been disturbed by some of the practices conducted by =
wildlife
biologists. I found that some of the research biologists pull coyote's =
teeth
and cut one of their toes off to help identify individual paw prints. I
don't know of any animal behaviorists in the psychology field that would
conduct or condone this treatment. Does this seem invasive to other
researchers? As far as cognitive ethology goes, which i hope can encompass
behavioral ecology, I thought the goal was to observe the animal without
interfering with it's life to any aggregious extent. Not only is this
practice very painful, but it may very well interfere with a coyote's
ability to function, and could lead to an infection. I was quite disturbed
by this information and am very happy that I chose to become a behaviorist
through Psychology. I was originally a wildlife biology major but switched
to psych when I learned that the majority of biologists work for the US
Gov't and are paid to kill hundreds of thousands of animals to "control" =
the
population or "protect" tourists.=20
  It is time for us to emerge from the dark ages and utilize modern
technology. I don't think brutal practices such as this are necessary or
benficial to the animals we are supposed to be helping. We have a moral
obligation to practice "ethical science". We must ask ourselves if the
information garnered from the animal's pain truly justifies itself. We =
must
not become lazy or complacent if we are to be responsible scientists.

=20


From:	IN%"Lesley.King@linacre.oxford.ac.uk"  "Lesley Anne King" 24-JAN-2003 05:27:04.95
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca '"
CC:	
Subj:	ethics and wildlife research

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From: Lesley Anne King <Lesley.King@linacre.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: ethics and wildlife research
To: "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca '" <Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca>
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=20
Hi all,
I think your point, Stine, is very interesting, as it highlights the =
issue
of how we think about the ethics of scientific decision-making. Most
scientists are taught little about how to make ethical decisions. In =
fact if
we get ethical training we are often taught only one method - =
cost-benefit
or utilitarian analysis. If this is the method we are to use, then =
let's be
clear about how we determine the relative values of cost and benefit, =
and
that these are dependent on who wins and loses (animals often don't =
come out
well in this process, particularly if the evaluator sees them only as
'agricultural products' or 'research tools' rather than individuals =
capable
of pain, fear and other forms of suffering). As a bit of DIY (i.e. self
taught) philosophy for any ethologist, can I recommend a book that may =
be
helpful in understanding ethical thinking relating to animals: =
Hursthouse, R
(2000) Ethics, Humans and Other Animals: An Introduction with Readings.
Routledge. Amazon has sample pages to view. It's an excellent book to
examine these issues and teach philosophical thinking, in my opinion.

I did think that Simon, your message raised a valuable point that the =
way
animals are used in research can be incredibly invasive and research on
species that are less valued by society, or done in a different context =
from
widlife or conservation research, may cause much greater pain, physical
damage or death (although this does not justify a lesser pain in the
wildlife studies). Furthermore, the responsibility for oversight and
alleviation of pain and distress, and ethical review, varies so greatly
between countries that it is worthy of mention (when I moved to the US =
from
the UK I was deeply shocked) and leads to very different kinds of
consideration of suffering. For example, as many of you may know, for
political reasons birds, mice and rats used in research were recently
permanently excluded from coverage under the animal welfare act in the =
US
(the only federally mandated, legally enforceable, coverage of these =
animals
regarding pain and distress). Different rules also apply for farm =
animals
dependent on whether the same animal is used in biomedical vs. =
agricultural
research. Check out http://www.hsus.org/ace/16170 for more discussion =
on
alleviating animal distress in the laboratory.=20

Best wishes,
Lesley

-----Original Message-----
From: Stine B Christiansen
To: Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov; Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca
Sent: 1/24/03 10:11 AM
Subject: Vedr.: wildlife research

Hi all,
Besides pointing to the guidelines already mentioned by Lesley Anne
King,  I would like to mention, that the ethical concern here need not
be only with pain, changes in behaviour or other welfare aspects. From
some ethical points of view simply removing healthy parts of an =
animal's
body may be seen as a violation of that animal's integrity and thus be
unacceptable. A more moderate version of that view may want to balance,
whether the information obtained through the research justifies the
procedure, but still - as a starting point - regardless of the =
potential
harmful consequenses for the animal, find such a procedure wrong. (Of
course harmful consequenses will add to the "wrongness", but my point =
is
that such consequnces need not be present for some people to object on
ethical grounds).

Stine

Stine B. Christiansen
cand.med.vet. (DVM), MSc, PhD-stud.

Det Dyreetiske R=E5d/The Danish Animal Ethics Council
Center for Bioetik og Risikovurdering/Centre for Bioethics and Risk
Assessment

Den Kgl. Veterin=E6r- og Landboh=F8jskole/The Royal Veterinary and
Agricultural University
Bioetik/Bioethics
Gr=F8nneg=E5rdsvej 8
1870 Frederiksberg C
Copenhagen
Denmark

tlf./ph.: +45 3528 3075
fax: +45 3528 3022
e-mail: sbc@kvl.dk=20


>>> <Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov> 23-01-03 19:36 >>>
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with research techniques =
regarding
wild canids. I am in the process of investigating a pack of urban
coyotes in
Ohio and have been disturbed by some of the practices conducted by
wildlife
biologists. I found that some of the research biologists pull coyote's
teeth
and cut one of their toes off to help identify individual paw prints. I
don't know of any animal behaviorists in the psychology field that =
would
conduct or condone this treatment. Does this seem invasive to other
researchers? As far as cognitive ethology goes, which i hope can
encompass
behavioral ecology, I thought the goal was to observe the animal =
without
interfering with it's life to any aggregious extent. Not only is this
practice very painful, but it may very well interfere with a coyote's
ability to function, and could lead to an infection. I was quite
disturbed
by this information and am very happy that I chose to become a
behaviorist
through Psychology. I was originally a wildlife biology major but
switched
to psych when I learned that the majority of biologists work for the US
Gov't and are paid to kill hundreds of thousands of animals to =
"control"
the
population or "protect" tourists.=20
  It is time for us to emerge from the dark ages and utilize modern
technology. I don't think brutal practices such as this are necessary =
or
benficial to the animals we are supposed to be helping. We have a moral
obligation to practice "ethical science". We must ask ourselves if the
information garnered from the animal's pain truly justifies itself. We
must
not become lazy or complacent if we are to be responsible scientists.

=20

From:	IN%"ctallet@sancy.clermont.inra.fr"  "tallet" 24-JAN-2003 05:31:15.97
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	attachment

Hi
I'm a french student in the first year of PhD and I study man-animal=20
relationships.
I currently seek the origin of the word "attachment" et its definition.
I use the one of Field (1996): "Relationship that develops between two or=20
more organisms as they become attuned to each other, each providing the=20
other meaningful stimulation and arousal modulation. The loss of this=20
important source of stimulation and arousal modulation, which occurs in=20
separation, invariably results in behavioral and physiological=20
disorganization".
Some people limit the attachment strictly to the mother-infant relationship=
=20
whereas others extend it to infant-infant, father-infant... relationships.=
=20
Has someone some information or references about it for me?

thanks


______________________________________________________________________
C=E9line TALLET

INRA de Clermont-Ferrand/Theix
Unit=E9 de Recherches sur les Herbivores
Adaptations et Comportements Sociaux
63 122 Saint-Gen=E8s Champanelle
FRANCE

T=E9l: 33 (0)4 73 62 40 94
Fax: 33 (0)4 73 62 41 18
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From:	IN%"B.Osthaus@exeter.ac.uk"  "Britta Osthaus" 24-JAN-2003 05:33:03.30
To:	IN%"slindsay@ix.netcom.com"  "Steven Lindsay"
CC:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
Subj:	RE: Quotation?

Hi Steven,

> "Every animal is an end in itself."  This quotation has 
been attributed to
> Goethe.  Does any one recognize it or know where it might be found.

The German original is:

Zweck sein selbst ist jegliches Tier, vollkommen entspringt es
Aus dem Schoss der Natur und zeugt vollkommene Kinder.

from the poem:
Metamorphose der Tiere (metamorphosis of animals)

The original text can be found at:
http://www.seinan-gu.ac.jp/~akao/goethe/txt-poem/158metamorphose_der_tiere.html

and a book with translation is advertised on:
http://pup.princeton.edu/TOCs/c5432.html

I am not quite sure how to translate the first sentence: 
the grammar is somewhat unusual...
But basically is goes:

"Every animal is an end in itself, it rises from the womb 
of Nature and produces flawless/perfect children."

Hope this helps.

 Britta



Britta Osthaus, Ph.D
School of Psychology
University of Exeter
EX4 4QG
UK
http://www.ex.ac.uk/~bosthaus/


From:	IN%"F.L.Burton@udcf.gla.ac.uk"  "Francis Burton" 24-JAN-2003 06:22:52.15
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Quotation?

At 15:04 23/01/03 -0500, Steven Lindsay <slindsay@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>"Every animal is an end in itself."  This quotation has been attributed to
>Goethe.  Does any one recognize it or know where it might be found.

Steven - I only know:

Omne animal seipsum diligit (Every animal loves itself) Cicero
and 
Post coitum omne animal triste (After coition every animal is sad) Anon

Francis


From:	IN%"margory@rcn.com"  "margory cohen" 24-JAN-2003 07:56:56.73
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: penguin anectdote: Stereotypy? obsessive/compulsive disorder? migration?

Chris Gotman,
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:04 PM


> The associate curator of birds at the San Francisco zoo was kind enough to
provide me with further information on their marathon magellanic penguins.
I've posted his correspondance below.
>

Quebec, I've never been, I look forward to the day.

Thankyou so for this.
That you got it and sent it here.
Common sense and Science and a bit of humour.
There's hope in San Francisco yet.  This is the best of anything I've read
in some years of any contact with Creatures, honestly, I do so believe.
-margory cohen

Margory Cohen
Scottish Deerhounds
San Francisco, California



From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 24-JAN-2003 08:10:08.01
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Stereotypical Behavior in Captive Wolves

Hello all,

Would the people who replied to my original post concerning stereotypical behavior in captive wolves kindly re-send me their responses? Unfortunately, in re-organizing my folders I accidentally deleted these! I would like to reply but cannot remember exactly who sent what. Sorry for the inconvenience...

Thanks.

Vivian Singer-Ferris
Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc.


From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 24-JAN-2003 09:09:55.72
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Ethics & Working With Animals

Those of us who work with animals (formal research, education programs, etc.) are faced with numerous ethical questions and concerns each and every day. I do not believe the "correct" answers are always readily available, despite the multitude of published policies and guidelines concerning various activities. The way in which we are told to treat the living, sentient beings under our care varies with each policy and document written, with each organization or committee doing the writing, and within each area that we live in. For instance, policies and laws concerning the licensing for housing and the treatment of captive indigenous wild species in Canada vary from province to province. 

Although our wolf centre does not conduct formal research, we too have come up against numerous ethical questions (our wolves are available for non-invasive, observational research by others). Aside from research questions, we must deal with husbandry concerns, nutritional requirements, animal and environmental enrichment protocols, implementing politically and ethically correct breeding and reproduction control programs, etc. etc. In revising our policy manuals each year, I have come to the following conclusions: The "right" answers are not carved in stone. No matter what we do or how we do it, someone out there will find fault. And lastly, there is no "one way" to ensure that our animals are treated "correctly." Each situation, policy and guideline must be evaluated in its own right, with specific consideration for the individual animal or social grouping involved.

In reading the various postings concerning the "cruel" research on wild coyotes, I of course have formed an opinion as to the ethical "correctness" of the methods utilized. But whatever I think, some of you will agree wholeheartedly while others will dismiss my opinions. So, which one of us is right? This discussion reminds me of an introductory philosophy class I once took at Western. According to that professor anyway, there was no "right" answer. It all depends upon who is holding the scale of measurement and on exactly what that scale of measurement is! 

Having said this, I will offer my layperson's opinion. Yes, I agree with Chris in that losing a toe once is probably preferable to being recaptured at intervals for collar maintenance. In reference to Chris's other statement, that coyotes get over pain a lot faster than we could, this is probably true too if we measure "getting over" pain by how quickly the coyotes manage to adjust and continue with the pressing business of survival in the wild. They, after all, have no choice in the matter and their survival instinct is strong. But the real question, in my opinion, is not which of the available invasive techniques is better, but whether invasive techniques are "ethical" at all, and if so, exactly when? 

Vivian Singer-Ferris
Kerwood Wolf Education Centre 
info@kerwoodwolf.com
www.kerwoodwolf.com

From:	IN%"V.Sandilands@au.sac.ac.uk" 24-JAN-2003 09:39:36.78
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	identification methods and pain

Dear Vivan, Chris, et al:

The question I am still waiting to be answered, was Heather's one:

Do coyotes, or any other wild animal that is being 'mutilated' for identification, or any 
other reason, get pain relief/ anesthesia before the procedure?  My suspicion is that 
they don't, judging by the wording being used (coyotes 'get over' pain quicker than we 
do, etc).

While I know it would be virtually impossible to offer post-operative pain relief without 
confining the animals, it seems reasonable to expect that they would be anesthetised 
during the procedure, not only to prevent suffering from pain, but from the stress of 
being handled etc.  And for the safety of the people doing the procedure!

Regards,
Vicky

Dr. Victoria Sandilands
Avian Science Research Centre
Scottish Agricultural College 
Ayr, KA6 5HW, UK

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From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 24-JAN-2003 10:18:08.44
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Pain Relief/Anesthesia Before 'Mutilation'

Hello Vicky,

As I said, I am a "layperson" in this discussion. I can say, however, that from every study (mostly about wolves) that I've ever read, captured animals were anesthetized for procedures and also, given post-procedure pain killers, antibiotics, vaccines, or whatever was appropriate under the circumstances and for the particular study being conducted.

Is this not "normal" and "usual" procedure? If not, I would appreciate being told.

Vivian Singer-Ferris
Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc. 



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Vivan, Chris, et al:

The question I am still waiting to be answered, was Heather's one:

Do coyotes, or any other wild animal that is being 'mutilated' for identification, or any 
other reason, get pain relief/ anesthesia before the procedure?  My suspicion is that 
they don't, judging by the wording being used (coyotes 'get over' pain quicker than we 
do, etc).

While I know it would be virtually impossible to offer post-operative pain relief without 
confining the animals, it seems reasonable to expect that they would be anesthetised 
during the procedure, not only to prevent suffering from pain, but from the stress of 
being handled etc.  And for the safety of the people doing the procedure!

Regards,
Vicky

Dr. Victoria Sandilands
Avian Science Research Centre
Scottish Agricultural College 
Ayr, KA6 5HW, UK

tel +44 (0)1292 525421
fax +44 (0)1292 525098
http://www.sac.ac.uk/animal/External/ABDWeb/Avian/Default.htm

From:	IN%"Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov" 24-JAN-2003 13:08:31.95
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	

Dr. Gadbois,
  Thank you for bringing this issue to light. I myself am quite disgusted
with many revered psychologists 
(such as Seligman and Harlow) who have commmitted sadistic experiments that
would be considered a sign of patholgy if not for the phd behind their
names. As an avid canid worshipper, I was most horrified by the way society
has glorified Seligman's learned helplessness experiments and voted him
president of the APA. I commend you on freeing yourself from such
activities. Unfortunately, too many compassionate researchers become
de-sensitized to animal suffering due to peer pressure. People who are
squemish about causing pain are often ridiculed by others and made to feel
abberant. In my opinion, there are not enough researchers like yourself, who
stand up and say no, this is not right, and I will not be a party to it.  
   What I intended to communicate was that as far as current animal
behavorists in psychology, I have not found the same amount of folks
participating in culling or pop control measures which require inhumane
killing methods. I am somewhat flumoxed by these folks who went to school to
study wildlife because they love animals and then seek employment with
agencies that require them to murder these creatures ( with poison, traps
and other cruel methods). I myself could not do such a thing. I am too
soft-hearted, but most importantly, I believe to kill a wild animal because
it damaged a careless tourist's car is just plain wrong. To me, a human life
has no more or less value than any other species. Obviously, I still have
issues with this. However, I also have issues with many psychologists who
also do inhumane experiments and then "sacrifice" their subjects. It was
immature of me to make this an issue of biologist/psycholgists, when it is
actually an issue regarding a lack of compassion and an ingrained speciest
attitude. Thank you for pointing out the flaws in my rationale.  
  I visited your website and was quite impressed. Have you read any of
Dehassie's work? He deals with behavior and agression in canids. 

Cindy L. Schulze
Research Assistant
Cincinnati Addiction Research Center
3210 Jefferson Ave
Cin., Ohio 45220
(513) 861-3100 x 4783
cindy.schulze@med.va.gov


From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 24-JAN-2003 13:22:24.40
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: attachment

Hi, Celine,
I don't know about feral rabbits, but neutered rabbits living together =
can form such strong bonds that when one passes away the other grieves =
-- stops eating, becomes apathetic, usually sick and often dies.  =
Sometimes a rabbit bonds this way with a human.  People often keep =
neutered house rabbits in larger groups so that when one passes away the =
animals have their other bonded mates for comfort.  =20

H. McMurray
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: tallet=20
  To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca=20
  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:29 AM
  Subject: attachment


  Hi
  I'm a french student in the first year of PhD and I study man-animal =
relationships.
  I currently seek the origin of the word "attachment" et its =
definition.
  I use the one of Field (1996): "Relationship that develops between two =
or more organisms as they become attuned to each other, each providing =
the other meaningful stimulation and arousal modulation. The loss of =
this important source of stimulation and arousal modulation, which =
occurs in separation, invariabl y results in behavioral and =
physiological disorganization".
  Some people limit the attachment strictly to the mother-infant =
relationship whereas others extend it to infant-infant, father-infant... =
relationships. Has someone some information or references about it for =
me?

  thanks


  ______________________________________________________________________
  C=E9line TALLET

  INRA de Clermont-Ferrand/The ix
  Unit=E9 de Recherches sur les Herbivores
  Adaptations et Comportements Sociaux
  63 122 Saint-Gen=E8s Champanelle
  FRANCE

  T=E9l: 33 (0)4 73 62 40 94
  Fax: 33 (0)4 73 62 41 18
  ______________________________________________________________________ =



From:	IN%"sbc@kvl.dk"  "Stine B Christiansen" 24-JAN-2003 13:27:59.39
To:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Vedr.: Ethics & Working With Animals

Hi Vivian,

I agree with you and your former professor, that there is not "a correct =
answer" when it comes to ethics. What ethics can do as an academic =
discipline is to help analyse arguments eg. for or against invasive =
procedures, and clarify the values behind peoples arguments. As such some =
answers may be more "correct" than others simply because of better =
consistency in the line of argument. But the point of the exercise can =
well be to clarify rather than be judgemental.

However, when making policies and guidelines often a particular ethical =
approach is taken, as was mentioned earlier by Lesley, the cost-benefit
or utilitarian analysis. The appeal of this approach is probably that it =
offers an apparently easy way to make decisions - weighing the good =
against the bad. However, what counts as good or bad - and to which extent =
- will still be an open question. Sometimes absolute "don'ts" can be added =
to draw clearer lines (although this is not necessarily part of utilitarian=
 thinking). But what comes out as right or wrong will still depend on the =
context and the person evaluating it, i.e. what values are considered and =
what weight are they given.

In a country like mine (Denmark) what is considered right or wrong will =
often reflect, what the majority considers right or wrong. But as we all =
know, the majority need not be right, just because they are a majority. =
Personally I believe that the greatest benefit of having guidelines is not =
to provide a list of rights and wrongs, but to help people like yourself, =
who is obviously faced with a lot of ethical issues (and wanting to handle =
them the "right way"), to reflect on these issues in a more systematic way =
and find what one considers an ethically acceptable answer. Of course =
other people may disagree wth that answer, but then at least one might be =
better prepared to explain the motives behind the decisionmaking.

You ask "whether invasive techniques are "ethical" at all, and if so, =
exactly when". It follows from what I have said above, that I believe you =
can get a lot of replies, listing both welfare and ethics arguments, which =
are likely to reach different conclusions. Earlier today (in another mail) =
I pointed out that to some people such techniques could be unacceptable =
regardless of pain etc. experienced by the animals. To help answering that =
question, it must therefore first be clarified what you or the respondents =
understand by "ethical". In other words, in which framework of ethical =
rules, vaules etc. should the invasive techniques be evaluated? I'm not =
asking for specific philosophical references, I just want to illustrate =
that people may not mean the same thing, when they talk about something =
being "ethical".

Stine


Stine B. Christiansen
cand.med.vet. (DVM), MSc, PhD-stud.

Det Dyreetiske R=E5d/The Danish Animal Ethics Council
Center for Bioetik og Risikovurdering/Centre for Bioethics and Risk =
Assessment

Den Kgl. Veterin=E6r- og Landboh=F8jskole/The Royal Veterinary and =
Agricultural University
Bioetik/Bioethics
Gr=F8nneg=E5rdsvej 8
1870 Frederiksberg C
Copenhagen
Denmark

tlf./ph.: +45 3528 3075
fax: +45 3528 3022
e-mail: sbc@kvl.dk=20


>>> "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." <info@kerwoodwolf.com> 24-01-03 =
15:20 >>>
Those of us who work with animals (formal research, education programs, =
etc.) are faced with numerous ethical questions and concerns each and =
every day. I do not believe the "correct" answers are always readily =
available, despite the multitude of published policies and guidelines =
concerning various activities. The way in which we are told to treat the =
living, sentient beings under our care varies with each policy and =
document written, with each organization or committee doing the writing, =
and within each area that we live in. For instance, policies and laws =
concerning the licensing for housing and the treatment of captive =
indigenous wild species in Canada vary from province to province.=20

Although our wolf centre does not conduct formal research, we too have =
come up against numerous ethical questions (our wolves are available for =
non-invasive, observational research by others). Aside from research =
questions, we must deal with husbandry concerns, nutritional requirements, =
animal and environmental enrichment protocols, implementing politically =
and ethically correct breeding and reproduction control programs, etc. =
etc. In revising our policy manuals each year, I have come to the =
following conclusions: The "right" answers are not carved in stone. No =
matter what we do or how we do it, someone out there will find fault. And =
lastly, there is no "one way" to ensure that our animals are treated =
"correctly." Each situation, policy and guideline must be evaluated in its =
own right, with specific consideration for the individual animal or social =
grouping involved.

In reading the various postings concerning the "cruel" research on wild =
coyotes, I of course have formed an opinion as to the ethical "correctness"=
 of the methods utilized. But whatever I think, some of you will agree =
wholeheartedly while others will dismiss my opinions. So, which one of us =
is right? This discussion reminds me of an introductory philosophy class I =
once took at Western. According to that professor anyway, there was no =
"right" answer. It all depends upon who is holding the scale of measurement=
 and on exactly what that scale of measurement is!=20

Having said this, I will offer my layperson's opinion. Yes, I agree with =
Chris in that losing a toe once is probably preferable to being recaptured =
at intervals for collar maintenance. In reference to Chris's other =
statement, that coyotes get over pain a lot faster than we could, this is =
probably true too if we measure "getting over" pain by how quickly the =
coyotes manage to adjust and continue with the pressing business of =
survival in the wild. They, after all, have no choice in the matter and =
their survival instinct is strong. But the real question, in my opinion, =
is not which of the available invasive techniques is better, but whether =
invasive techniques are "ethical" at all, and if so, exactly when?=20

Vivian Singer-Ferris
Kerwood Wolf Education Centre=20
info@kerwoodwolf.com=20
www.kerwoodwolf.com



From:	IN%"orion1432@juno.com"  "D.B. Cameron" 24-JAN-2003 21:53:51.86
To:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com"
CC:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"orion1432@juno.com"
Subj:	RE: Recent pig cruelty cases in the U.S. - and penguins

Interesting juxtaposition of two e-mails on my computer. The one just
before this was from a young lady who is studying coyotes in Ohio. She
wrote the newsgroup because she was upset about how the "old pro"
biologists did their study of coyotes so she wrote:
 
      "I am in the process of investigating a pack of urban coyotes in
Ohio and have been disturbed by some of the practices conducted by
wildlife biologists. I found that some of the research biologists pull
coyote's teeth
and cut one of their toes off to help identify individual paw prints."
(and, presumably, their bite marks)

I almost wrote her to comment that inconveniencing or even sacrificing a
few to gain knowledge of the many may be, long term, ethical and
necessary. But then I decided that perhaps that is too extreme a thought
for modern ethicists to handle. (Also, I cannot help but admit that I
feared a bit for my own professional skin. That is, it isn't fun to be
assaulted by all the right and proper P.C. types who, IME, seem to have
great difficulty with considering other, conflicting, views.)

Now I read this and find that PETA people apparently have exactly the
same ethics, or lack of them, that I do.

I'll leave it to you (and probably the group) to explain to me the right
way to do it.


                DBC


      ^   ^          D. B. Cameron, DVM              Animal Behavior
Clinic
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       !   !                                           530.265.9341      
     
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are for.



On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:59:57 -0500 (EST) Rexxie1@aol.com writes:
Margory

Notwithstanding your concerns over PETA, it is important to note that, in
the Seaboard case, it was reported that the worker himself pled to three
counts of felony cruelty to animals stemming from the beating.

A similar undercover video by a PETA worker led to convictions in a North
Carolina court of farm workers at a hog facility for cruelty to animals. 
In that instance, the farm workers were taped by a PETA worker beating
sows, sticking a rod up the anus of a pig, and skinning a still
vocalizing sow.  A number of experts, including Dr. Temple Grandin, were
asked to and provided commentary on the cruelty shown in the video.

I imagine fear for one's own safety as well as the need to document the
ongoing abuses provide reasons for not intervening to stop workers when
the abuses occur.  To stop one beating by personal intervention cannot
guarantee that further abuses will not occur at some future date when the
same workers are left on their own.  It is more effective to facilitate
legal actions that, hopefully, will result in appropriate punishment of
the workers and their removal from any employment dealing with animals.

One problem that is not solved by this approach is holding responsible
the companies that employ the workers and provide the demoralizing
working conditions that can lead to bad behavior.  Such restrictive
confinement of animals as occurs in food animal factories can provide
easy opportunities for animal abuse by frustrated, underpaid, or
unskilled workers.  The animals obviously cannot get away from their
tormentors.  Punishing the workers, unfortunately, does not force the
companies to improve how they provide for the welfare of the animals and
their workers.

Marlene Halverson 


From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 24-JAN-2003 22:56:40.41
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	reply to comparison of coyote handling to PETA pig cruelty case

Yes, it is an interesting comparison, but the two situations are not the same.  The person filming the video for PETA did not want to let that cruelty happen.  They were not sacrificing the pig for the greater good as you mentioned the coyote researcher was doing when collecting data in the discussed manner --- they were preserving their own skin.  What they did was very dangerous.

What coyote researchers do when amputating toes and pulling teeth is not dangerous to the researcher.  That researcher is actually more analogous to the man who was beating the pigs.  Both had control over the animals.  Both had to make a decision of what would/would not hurt the animal.  Both men, in other words, have free will.  They are each responsible for their decisions.

The actions of the pig beater are illegal.  The actions of the researcher are not.  But the toe amputation and tooth removal probably skew whatever data that researcher gets from that animal, since it seems likely that coyote interactions depend upon facial expressions/no. of teeth shown etc. (whoever posted that, would you post the reference?  It is very interesting).  So that animal's "sacrifice" for the greater good of gathering data for the many is negated.

Rabbits have been shown to have vastly different physiologies when housed in comfortable quarters as suggested by at least one recent study.  The study I'm remembering said that all the lab data gathered from "traditionally" housed lab rabbits is not worth much.  http://www.awionline.org/pubs/cq02/Cq-rabbits.html

That all said, we come back to the ethical issue - is is appropriate for a human being to deliberately maim an animal in the name of research?  How much do we respect the life that is sacrificing something for our human goal?   And what happens to us as human beings when we don't?

From:	IN%"orion1432@juno.com"  "D.B. Cameron" 24-JAN-2003 23:50:03.83
To:	IN%"V.Sandilands@au.sac.ac.uk"
CC:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
Subj:	RE: identification methods and pain

Since by your signature you are a well educated scientist, why and how do
you make a judgement without evidence?


                          DBC


      ^   ^          D. B. Cameron, DVM              Animal Behavior
Clinic
  <  \    /  >      15353 N. Bloomfield Road     Nevada City, CA 95959   
      
       !   !                                           530.265.9341      
     
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:38:24 +0000 Victoria Sandilands
<V.Sandilands@au.sac.ac.uk> writes:
> Dear Vivan, Chris, et al:
> 
> The question I am still waiting to be answered, was Heather's one:
> 
> Do coyotes, or any other wild animal that is being 'mutilated' for 
> identification, or any 
> other reason, get pain relief/ anesthesia before the procedure?  My 
> suspicion is that 
> they don't, judging by the wording being used (coyotes 'get over' 
> pain quicker than we 
> do, etc).
> 
> While I know it would be virtually impossible to offer 
> post-operative pain relief without 
> confining the animals, it seems reasonable to expect that they would 
> be anesthetised 
> during the procedure, not only to prevent suffering from pain, but 
> from the stress of 
> being handled etc.  And for the safety of the people doing the 
> procedure!
> 
> Regards,
> Vicky
> 
> Dr. Victoria Sandilands
> Avian Science Research Centre
> Scottish Agricultural College 
> Ayr, KA6 5HW, UK
> 
> tel +44 (0)1292 525421
> fax +44 (0)1292 525098
> http://www.sac.ac.uk/animal/External/ABDWeb/Avian/Default.htm
> 
> The information in this e.mail is confidential and may be legally 
> privileged.
> It is intended solely for the addressee.  Access to this e.mail by 
> anyone
> else is unauthorised.
> 
> If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, 
> distribution
> or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is 
> prohibited
> and may be unlawful.  When addressed to our clients, any opinions or 
> advice
> contained in this e.mail are subject to the terms and conditions 
> expressed
> in the governing client engagement letter.
> 
> 
> 

From:	IN%"ceann-icrc@lycos.com" 25-JAN-2003 05:53:32.64
To:	IN%"Applied-Ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Coyote communication

My referance for facial expressions in coyotes is taken from  Coyotes-Biology, Behavior, Management
Edited by Marc Bekoff  I just received an email yesterday from Dr. Bekoff saying the book has been republished and is available on Amazon.Com
CeAnn


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From:	IN%"ceann-icrc@lycos.com" 25-JAN-2003 10:30:09.17
To:	IN%"Applied-Ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Fwd: Re: Fwd: Ethology

Here is a definition of Ethology.  Sent to me by a friend who is an Ethologist.
CeAnn 
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DATE: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:25:40
From: Erich Klinghammer <klingham@purdue.edu>
To: ceann-icrc@lycos.com

Ethology is the study of behavior - Animal and Human, from an evolutionary 
point of view. It looks at the behavior mechanisms that enable 
an  animal/human to survive in their natural environments. It looks at the 
adaptiveness of behavior and looks at both inborn as well as learned behavior.

         That is quite a mouthful. In short. it is looking at the world 
from the animal's[ point of view.

         Take care. Erich.


At 05:20 AM 1/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>What is the contemporay definition of Ethology.  Sounds like something 
>that I shoud know. Do I and have just forgotten?
>Love you,
>CeAnn
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>To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca
>
>Could somebody send me a contemporary definition of Ethology.
>
>
>
>Thanks
>Carlos
>
>
>
>Dr Carlos A Raimundo
>
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From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 25-JAN-2003 10:54:33.54
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Online Wildlife Caretaker Program

Hello all,

I thought some of you might be interested to know that my wolf centre has recently implemented a new online wildlife caretaker program as part of our educational initiative. Although the program is designed for layperson involvement, some list members might possibly circulate information about it to your undergraduate students who are considering some sort of career involving wildlife. Membership in the Keepers Of The Wild program is by paid subscription, to help support our non-profit centre.

Our website is listed below and you can visit there for full details. As well, if you wish to post hard copy info anywhere about it, I would be pleased to email you our recent news release about the program. If this is the case, please email me privately and let me know.

Go to: www.kerwoodwolf.com


Vivian Singer-Ferris


From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 27-JAN-2003 02:00:03.28
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Scientists using radio/biotelemetry

I ran across this and thought that it might be interesting for folks :

http://www.biotelem.org/scientst.htm

From:	IN%"V.Sandilands@au.sac.ac.uk" 27-JAN-2003 03:45:51.30
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: identification methods and pain

My 'evidence' was Chris (I think it was Chris) saying coyotes 'get over' 
pain quicker than people do.  I have also seen enough 'mutilation' in my 
time - i.e. beak trimming, branding, castrating lambs and calves, etc. - 
to know that often anesthesia isn't used.  Though on the other hand, I 
am well aware that often wild animals are darted before procedures, 
partly for the safety of the handler.  I'm still waiting for an answer to my 
question, and hope my suspicion is wrong!  

> Since by your signature you are a well educated scientist, why and how
> do you make a judgement without evidence?
> 
>                           DBC
>       ^   ^          D. B. Cameron, DVM              Animal Behavior
> Clinic

> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:38:24 +0000 Victoria Sandilands
> <V.Sandilands@au.sac.ac.uk> writes:
> > Dear Vivan, Chris, et al:
> > 
> > The question I am still waiting to be answered, was Heather's one:
> > 
> > Do coyotes, or any other wild animal that is being 'mutilated' for
> > identification, or any other reason, get pain relief/ anesthesia
> > before the procedure?  My suspicion is that they don't, judging by
> > the wording being used (coyotes 'get over' pain quicker than we do,
> > etc).
> > 
> > While I know it would be virtually impossible to offer 
> > post-operative pain relief without 
> > confining the animals, it seems reasonable to expect that they would
> > be anesthetised during the procedure, not only to prevent suffering
> > from pain, but from the stress of being handled etc.  And for the
> > safety of the people doing the procedure!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Vicky


From:	IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk"  "Chris Sherwin" 27-JAN-2003 09:33:58.77
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Vedr.: Ethics & Working With Animals

Dear All, 

I've been listening with fascination at the discussion on ethics and research with
animals.  I thought some of you might appreciate a summary of how ethical 
assessment of animal behaviour research is conducted at a practical level on an 
every-day basis.

Some journals (e.g. Animal Behaviour) and societies (e.g. International Society of
Applied Ethology) have instigated ethical review processess.  This means that 
papers are not published or presented at meetings without having undergone an 
ethical review.  In undertaking this review, assessors consider the costs and 
benefits of the research.  In the costs, the foremost consideration is usually the
welfare of the animals, and researchers must provide evidence that this has not 
been unduly compromised at any stage of the study.  The benefits usually relate to
the quality, novelty and relevance of the research, and the species of animal that
might benefit and how much.  Obviously, there are a great number of other 
inter-related issues which must also be considered, and it is of paramount 
importance that each study is considered on its own merits.  Sometimes, if a study
involves a procedure that we consider to be highly unpalatable, this might be 
outweighed by the benefits of the research, and the study as a whole considered to
be ethically acceptable.

So, with reference to the current example of toe-amputation as a method of 
marking.  Few would doubt that this causes significant acute pain to the animal. 
It is also possible that if neuromas develop, there would be chronic pain.  
Questions would be asked such as - how many animals were used, was an anaesthetic 
used, was an analgesic used, were antibiotics administered to prevent infection, 
and perhaps most importantly, could another less 'welfare-costly' method have been
used which was conducive to the researchers gaining the information they required?
In terms of the benefits of the research, questions would be asked such as what is
the aim of the study, is the science of a high quality, will it benefit only a few
animals/species, how much will this benefit be?  In this particular example, the 
pain experienced during toe amputation is likely to be considerable. Therefore, 
the benefits would probably have to be very high for the study to be considered as
ethically acceptable - but, this might be the outcome.  As I stated earlier, each 
study must be considered on its own merits, so please don't read this e-mail as 
categorical support or opposition to this procedure - rather an explanation of how
ethical approval may or may not be given.

All the best,

Chris

From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 27-JAN-2003 09:49:19.13
To:	IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk"  "Chris Sherwin", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Vedr.: Ethics & Working With Animals

Chris,

Thank you very much for the explanation. It certainly clears things up for
me!

Vivian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Sherwin" <chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk>
To: <Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Vedr.: Ethics & Working With Animals


>
> Dear All,
>
> I've been listening with fascination at the discussion on ethics and
research with
> animals.  I thought some of you might appreciate a summary of how ethical
> assessment of animal behaviour research is conducted at a practical level
on an
> every-day basis.
>
> Some journals (e.g. Animal Behaviour) and societies (e.g. International
Society of
> Applied Ethology) have instigated ethical review processess.  This means
that
> papers are not published or presented at meetings without having undergone
an
> ethical review.  In undertaking this review, assessors consider the costs
and
> benefits of the research.  In the costs, the foremost consideration is
usually the
> welfare of the animals, and researchers must provide evidence that this
has not
> been unduly compromised at any stage of the study.  The benefits usually
relate to
> the quality, novelty and relevance of the research, and the species of
animal that
> might benefit and how much.  Obviously, there are a great number of other
> inter-related issues which must also be considered, and it is of paramount
> importance that each study is considered on its own merits.  Sometimes, if
a study
> involves a procedure that we consider to be highly unpalatable, this might
be
> outweighed by the benefits of the research, and the study as a whole
considered to
> be ethically acceptable.
>
> So, with reference to the current example of toe-amputation as a method of
> marking.  Few would doubt that this causes significant acute pain to the
animal.
> It is also possible that if neuromas develop, there would be chronic pain.
> Questions would be asked such as - how many animals were used, was an
anaesthetic
> used, was an analgesic used, were antibiotics administered to prevent
infection,
> and perhaps most importantly, could another less 'welfare-costly' method
have been
> used which was conducive to the researchers gaining the information they
required?
> In terms of the benefits of the research, questions would be asked such as
what is
> the aim of the study, is the science of a high quality, will it benefit
only a few
> animals/species, how much will this benefit be?  In this particular
example, the
> pain experienced during toe amputation is likely to be considerable.
Therefore,
> the benefits would probably have to be very high for the study to be
considered as
> ethically acceptable - but, this might be the outcome.  As I stated
earlier, each
> study must be considered on its own merits, so please don't read this
e-mail as
> categorical support or opposition to this procedure - rather an
explanation of how
> ethical approval may or may not be given.
>
> All the best,
>
> Chris

From:	IN%"Cindy.Schulze@med.va.gov"  "Schulze, Cindy, VHACIN" 27-JAN-2003 12:43:02.59
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'"
CC:	
Subj:	wildlife research

In response to the pain involved in toe amputation, the coyotes are first
shot with a dart loaded with a tranquilizer, so they hopefully are
unconscious when this occurrs. But, when they wake up, I see no mention of
antibiotics or pain meds administered. And I don't appreciate reverting to
Descarte's theory that animal pain is not analogous to human pain. Canids
have analogous psychological conditions to humans, such as Alzheimers,
separation anxiety OCD... So, if canids are psychologically this similar to
humans doesn't it insinuate that they may be pysiologically similar as well?
We really have no idea how much this procedure affects these coyotes,
physically or psychologically. Therefore, in my opinion, it is unethical.
Unless we have more data, informing us how this may or may not have negative
consequences for the coyotes, we must err on the side of caution. We
certainly would not be able to conduct this type of procedure on a human,
even with a signed informed consent. It would be considered unethical. If we
wouldn't even consider doing such a thing to a human, what rationale can we
use to advocate this on a fellow animal?
 
Cindy L. Schulze
Research Assistant
Cincinnati Addiction Research Center
3210 Jefferson Ave
Cin., Ohio 45220
(513) 861-3100 x 4783
cindy.schulze@med.va.gov


From:	IN%"Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk"  "Moira Harris" 28-JAN-2003 09:25:14.97
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Ethical decision making in animal research

Dear all,
Those who have been following the discussion on whether it is acceptable 
to amputate coyotes' toes to identify them for field research might be 
interested in an article in the journal Applied Animal Behaviour 
Science: Guidelines for the ethical use of animals in applied ethology 
studies, by Sherwin et al., 2003.  The article hasn't actually been 
published yet, but a corrected proof is available to download from the 
Elsevier/AABS site:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=IssueURL&_tockey=%23TOC%234968%
239999%23999999999%2399999%23FLA%23Articles_in_Press&_auth=y&_acct=C0000 
29838&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=585204&md5=77c6a23b8183927574c3db
85f930f6ab
The 'Guidelines' explain, from a utilitarian, cost-benefit point of 
view, how we might decide whether it is or is not justifiable to perform 
particular procedures using animals, and how to maximise benefits and 
minimise costs.  Interestingly, with reference to mutilatory forms of 
identification (eg toe amputation), it is suggested that these " ... 
should be assumed to cause substantial acute and perhaps chronic pain, 
and would therefore generally be considered unacceptable."  As Chris 
Sherwin (corresponding author for the article) pointed out in his 
message yesterday, however, ethical decision-making is rarely simple, 
and the substantial cost of toe amputation might be justified if there 
was no alternative, and its use was likely to bring about an even more 
substantial benefit.

Best wishes,
- Moira

-------------------------------------

Dr. Moira Harris

Dept. of Clinical Veterinary Science 
University of Bristol
Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk

Dept. of Biological Sciences
University of Warwick
Moira.Harris@warwick.ac.uk




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From:	IN%"Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk"  "Moira Harris" 28-JAN-2003 09:50:42.71
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Ethical decision making in animal research

Dear all,
It's been pointed out to me that the enormously long link I supplied for 
the upcoming AABS article on the ethical use of animals in applied 
ethology studies doesn't actually work.  You should be able to access it 
instead by going to the AABS home page (below) and following the 
Volumes/Issues link then selecting Articles in Press.

http://www.elsevier.com/inca/publications/store/5/0/3/3/0/1/

Sorry!

- Moira

-------------------------------------

Dr. Moira Harris

Dept. of Clinical Veterinary Science 
University of Bristol
Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk

Dept. of Biological Sciences
University of Warwick
Moira.Harris@warwick.ac.uk




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From:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com" 28-JAN-2003 11:19:19.41
To:	IN%"Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Ethical decision making in animal research

In response to:

       The 'Guidelines' explain, from a utilitarian, cost-benefit point of=20
       view, how we might decide whether it is or is not justifiable to=20
perform=20
       particular procedures using animals, and how to maximise benefits and=
=20
       minimise costs.=A0=20

At some point, every researcher decides (or doesn't, which is a decision in=20
itself) which ethical framework will guide his or her practice.  Not every=20
researcher wants to make decisions from a utilitarian, cost-benefit point of=
=20
view (which, at its extreme, usually means costs to one or a few yield=20
benefits to more than one or a few others -- i.e., in experimentation, rarel=
y=20
is the individual being experimented on the sole or direct beneficiary of th=
e=20
experiment).  I suspect that is one of the points Cindy Schulze is trying to=
=20
make. =20

Rawls suggested people make decisions on matters affecting others as if they=
=20
were acting behind a veil of ignorance (ignorance, in the case of a=20
researcher, for example, as to whether or not the researcher himself or=20
herself might be the individual being experimented on).  In such a case, the=
=20
researcher might then make decisions from the perspective of the individual,=
=20
as if he were the experimental animal.

In deciding how and whether to conduct the experiment, the researcher would=20
weigh whether or not his evaluation of the potential costs to himself of the=
=20
experiment, or of specific procedures in the experiment, were less in his ow=
n=20
eyes than his own evaluation of the benefits to others (regardless of what=20
the others thought about it, although he might consider their counsel on the=
=20
matter).

If the researcher foresees that the experiment will benefit others (a=20
potentially defensible reason for an experiment that incurs costs to some=20
individual or individuals) but that there are also costs to himself in being=
=20
experimented upon, the researcher would then have to decide whether or not h=
e=20
would be willing to take on those costs no matter how great they would be to=
=20
himself (even resulting in his death).  His choice for himself would be the=20
same as his choice for the animal.

(As always, in theory, it is assumed that the decisionmaker is economically=20
rational -- economics being the science of choices -- i.e., makes choices=20
consistently and in his or her own self-interest.  In the real world, of=20
course, the individual's own definition of his or her self-interest may=20
include altruism, in which case he may choose to sacrifice all or part of=20
himself and, by extension, the animal, for the 'greater good.')

I'm not advocating either position, just pointing out that there is more tha=
n=20
one ethical framework within which researchers can make the kinds of choices=
=20
Cindy is referring to.

Marlene Halverson


---Original message-------

Subj:   Ethical decision making in animal research=A0=20
Date:   1/28/2003 9:30:14 AM Central Standard Time =20
From:   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk">Moira.Harris@bristol.a=
c.uk</A> =20
To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca">applied-ethology@sask.=
usask.ca</A> =20
Sent from the Internet (Details)   =20
   =20


Dear all,
Those who have been following the discussion on whether it is acceptable=20
to amputate coyotes' toes to identify them for field research might be=20
interested in an article in the journal Applied Animal Behaviour=20
Science: Guidelines for the ethical use of animals in applied ethology=20
studies, by Sherwin et al., 2003.=A0 The article hasn't actually been=20
published yet, but a corrected proof is available to download from the=20
Elsevier/AABS site:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=3DIssueURL&_tockey=3D%23TOC%234968%
239999%23999999999%2399999%23FLA%23Articles_in_Press&_auth=3Dy&_acct=3DC0000=
=20
29838&_version=3D1&_urlVersion=3D0&_userid=3D585204&md5=3D77c6a23b8183927574=
c3db
85f930f6ab
The 'Guidelines' explain, from a utilitarian, cost-benefit point of=20
view, how we might decide whether it is or is not justifiable to perform=20
particular procedures using animals, and how to maximise benefits and=20
minimise costs.=A0 Interestingly, with reference to mutilatory forms of=20
identification (eg toe amputation), it is suggested that these " ...=20
should be assumed to cause substantial acute and perhaps chronic pain,=20
and would therefore generally be considered unacceptable."=A0 As Chris=20
Sherwin (corresponding author for the article) pointed out in his=20
message yesterday, however, ethical decision-making is rarely simple,=20
and the substantial cost of toe amputation might be justified if there=20
was no alternative, and its use was likely to bring about an even more=20
substantial benefit.

Best wishes,
- Moira

-------------------------------------

Dr. Moira Harris

Dept. of Clinical Veterinary Science=20
University of Bristol
Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk

Dept. of Biological Sciences
University of Warwick
Moira.Harris@warwick.ac.uk


From:	IN%"e.creighton@chester.ac.uk"  "Emma Creighton" 28-JAN-2003 12:35:37.84
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Eggs with no shells

Dear All,

A very stimulating debate is developing on ethics, and I for one have 
gleaned much both to update my own thoughts on the matter and to filter 
into my undergrad and postgrad teaching.

But to bring you all back to more a mundane issue, can anyone help with 
a chicken problem. I obtained three garden chickens on point-of-lay back 
in August and have spent many happy hours observing their behaviour 
as well as appreciating their eggs. Whilst two are producing eggs with 
thick shells, the third usually lays (or rather drops from her perch) an egg 
with only a membrane and no shell. This third is the sister of one of the 
others (Speckled Ledy), eats well, is in good condition (she is the 
largest, heaviest and dominent hen), looks in fine plumage and her 
behaviour appears bright and busy. They have approx 8 square metres 
of run with a deep litter of fallen leaves and are fed daily greens, laying 
hen meal or pellets, limited amounts of mixed grain, ad lib poultry grit, 
kitchen scaps as appropriate and washed and dried egg shells 
(although I sell some eggs). The problem began with rough shelled 
eggs in the late autumn (an indication of calcium deficiency in wild birds, 
so presumably in hens too) that responded initially to the recycling of 
eggs shells. I have recently introduced ground oyster shells and this is 
being eaten (though I have not seen her eat it directly), but it has made 
no difference to the shell-less eggs.

I'd appreciate any advice on what is wrong, how to fix it and whether the 
hen is likely to have welfare problems from loss of bone calcium if left as 
described (to date only one shell-less egg seems to have been eaten, 
and I have no signs of egg-eating attempts on the normal eggs).

Cheers,
Emma Creighton.



Dr Emma Creighton
Senior Lecturer in Animal Behaviour & Welfare
Department of Biological Sciences
Chester College
Chester
CH1 4BJ

Tel: 01244 375 444
Fax: 01244 392 704
Email: E.Creighton@chester.ac.uk

From:	IN%"pdic@btclick.com"  "Pig Disease Information Centre UK" 29-JAN-2003 04:55:21.66
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	Environmental enrichment for pigs

Environmental enrichment for pigs has hit the media headlines this week
because a new EU directive comes into force next week requiring farmers to
provide "manipulable material" (aka "toys") for pigs. Failure to meet this
requirement risks 90 days in prison or a £1,000 fine.

I know that some Ethology list members have researched this topic, so I
wonder if they could provide us with an update of the latest research
findings, key references, books and online articles?

Thanks

Mike Meredith

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Pig Disease Information Centre
Website: www.pighealth.com
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From:	IN%"lking@hsus.org"  "Lesley King" 29-JAN-2003 08:19:00.80
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Environmental enrichment for pigs

Hello all,
I am a bit out of the loop on pig issues, but can someone clarify for me
whether 'manipulable material' equals artificial objects only (such as
toys), or can it include straw bedding, for example? If you have any
links to news reports, please send them to my email address as I haven't
seen any of this here in the US.

Dr. Lesley King
Director for Education and Animal Welfare
Animal Research Issues 
Humane Society of the United States
2100 L St., NW,
Washington, DC, 20037.
Tel: 301-258-3046
Fax: 301-258-7760
lking@hsus.org



From:	IN%"mjturgeon@cdpqinc.qc.ca"  "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marie-Jos=E9e_Turgeon?=" 29-JAN-2003 08:56:54.50
To:	IN%"lking@hsus.org"  "Lesley King", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Environmental enrichment for pigs

Hello all!
A List of manipulable material is given on point 4 of the annex of the
amended EU directive on the protection of pigs. You may find the
document at the following:
http://europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexapi!prod!CELEXnu
mdoc&lg=3Den&numdoc=3D32001L0093&model=3Dguichett

Have a nice day!

Marie:o)
Marie-Jos=E9e Turgeon, agr
Charg=E9e de projet
Centre de d=E9veloppement du porc du Qu=E9bec inc.
Sainte-foy (Qu=E9bec)
Canada

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Lesley King [mailto:lking@hsus.org]
Envoy=E9 : 29 janvier, 2003 09:16
=C0 : Ethology Posting
Objet : RE: Environmental enrichment for pigs


Hello all,
I am a bit out of the loop on pig issues, but can someone clarify for me
whether 'manipulable material' equals artificial objects only (such as
toys), or can it include straw bedding, for example? If you have any
links to news reports, please send them to my email address as I haven't
seen any of this here in the US.

Dr. Lesley King
Director for Education and Animal Welfare
Animal Research Issues=20
Humane Society of the United States
2100 L St., NW,
Washington, DC, 20037.
Tel: 301-258-3046
Fax: 301-258-7760
lking@hsus.org



From:	IN%"V.Sandilands@au.sac.ac.uk" 29-JAN-2003 09:09:48.78
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	eggs with no shells

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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Regarding your hefty hen with the 
shell-less eggs: it sounds like classic egg 
drop syndrome (or 'EDS 76', since it was first reported in 1976).&#160; This is an 
adenovirus that can be transmitted vertically through the egg, or through 
contact with contaminated eggs or droppings. Ducks and geese (wild or 
domestic) also get EDS, so can transmit EDS through droppings (for 
instance, into your hens' drinking water.)&#160; Affected birds don't show any other 
form of illness apart from the egg trouble.&#160; </span></font></div>
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of colour in the egg shell, then soft or 
rough shells, and then finally no shell.&#160; The hen may be laying them from the 
perch because she doesn't realise she is laying, if you get my drift.&#160; There is 
apparently no treatment for EDS once contracted, although it can be 
controlled from spreading with strict sanitation.&#160; Your other 2 birds are at 
risk, particularly since you mention that at least one shell-less egg has been 
eaten (although perhaps you don't know if this was by the affected bird, or 
one of the others?)&#160; </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">If the two other hens don't seem to 
have contracted the illness, your vet 
might recommend that you vaccinate them now.&#160; However, you may also 
want to contact the breeder from which you got your hens, to see if s/he 
vaccinated them already.&#160; (The vaccine is an oil-based one that is injected, 
and is usually done at 15-16 wks of age.)&#160; </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">If they have been previously vaccinated, 
then it may not be EDS at all ! 
Certainly another cause of soft-shell eggs, which is common in broiler 
breeders, is multiple ovulations, which often occur when the hen is 
overweight at point of lay.</span></font></div>
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seem as if it causes suffering <i>per se</i>.&#160; But you don't want to cause an 
epidemic either!&#160; If you are at risk of coming into contact with any other 
types of poultry or fowl, then you could spread it.&#160; For any egg producer, this 
would spell disaster (and the culling of an entire flock).&#160; </span></font></div>
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From:	IN%"csmith35@nycap.rr.com"  "Cynthia Smith" 29-JAN-2003 09:13:31.75
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	New Publications from AWIC

Dear List Members,

We have quite a few new bibliographies that have just been loaded on our website that may be of interest to our various users. They cover everything from animal diseases, induced molting in chickens, dairy cattle care and welfare, camels, llamas, and alpacas. 

Please visit the "New from AWIC " section of our website at 

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/news/newsinfo.htm#awic to learn more.



Cynthia Smith, M.S.,Technical Information Specialist

USDA/ARS/NAL Animal Welfare Information Center

www.nal.usda.gov/awic


From:	IN%"pdic@btclick.com"  "Pig Disease Information Centre UK" 29-JAN-2003 11:41:39.52
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Environmental enrichment - news reports

Hi Lesley

Some very frivolous reports have appeared in the UK media today...
e.g. Pig farmers face 'toy inspectors'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2704685.stm
and
"Why all our pigs are having a ball"
www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-2-558903,00.html
Plus some rather negative reactions from the pig industry...
e.g. this BBC interview..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/38752000/rm/_38752537_pigman08_meeker.ram
and this National Pig Association newsletter..
www.npa-uk.net/newsletter%2045.pdf

I have written a news report for the American Association of Swine
Practitioners which should be online soon at their website:
www.aasv.org/news/
In the meantime, this is what it says...

++++++++++++++++++++++++
Porcine Playtime is Now Mandatory!
January 29, 2003 - Michael Meredith
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Exploration, rooting and manipulation behaviors are deeply embedded in the
porcine psyche. What happens if these instinctive behaviors are thwarted by
restricted movement or concrete-and-steel non-manipulatable surroundings?

Thwarting these basic porcine behaviors is now an offence under European
Statutes and risks a 1,600 USD fine or three months in prison.

European Commission Pig Welfare Directive 2001/93/EC comes into force in
January 2003 and requires that pigs must have "...permanent access to a
sufficient quantity of material to enable proper investigation and
manipulation activities, such as straw, hay, wood, sawdust, mushroom
compost, peat."

In geographical areas, or housing types, where straw is not feasible the
United Kingdom Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) is
recommending that hogs are provided with balls to play with. Old footballs,
basketballs or commercial pig balls can be used. There is also a special
"Edinburgh Foodball" device which simulates natural foraging.
It is suggested that the balls are changed periodically to retain their
novelty interest and avoid premature destruction. Different colors or sizes
or materials can be used for maintaining exploratory interest. Potentially
toxic or gut-obstructive devices, such as old car tyres, are not permitted.
Traditionally British farmers have hung up chains or provided old feed sacks
to keep hogs from becoming bored and turning to vices like tail-biting,
ear-biting or navel-sucking. Mark White, past president of the Pig
Veterinary Society recommends softwood logs, ships' buoys and plastic pipes.
Boat fenders are also used successfully by some hog farmers.

Pork quality assurance scheme inspectors are helping to enforce the new EU
rule. They are also keen to promote "high-welfare" branding of pork.

The new EU rule is backed by an accumulation of research findings showing
that "environmental enrichment" reduces aggressive and stereotypical
behaviors whereas boring and restrictive environments can predispose to
stress, fighting and vices. A paper about to be published in Applied Animal
Behaviour Science adds to the growing doubts about the efficacy of tail
docking as an effective preventive measure for tailbiting. A UK ethology
group study found that adding straw to the creep area once or more per day
decreased the risk of tail biting 10-fold whereas tail docking was
associated with a three-fold increase in the risk of tail biting.

A recent review of environmental enrichment (in "The Biology of Animal
Stress") by two American zoologists it was concluded that in a wide range of
farm, laboratory and zoo animals enriching aversive housing environments
increases the diversity of natural behaviors, decreases physiological stress
parameters, decreases abnormal and aggressive behaviors and facilitates
coping with sporadic, stress-inducing events.

Varley and Wiseman, writing in the textbook "The Weaner Pig - Nutrition and
management", suggest that some genotypes may need "environmental enrichment"
more than others.
----------
Reference
----------
"A case control study of on-farm risk factors for tail biting in pigs". C.
Moinard et al. (2003) Applied Animal Behaviour Science 2016, 1-23.
---------
Weblinks
---------
The Biology of Animal Stress:
http://members.farmline.com/stress/sunflower/BOOKS/BIOLOGY.HTM
"Four Legs Good" - A Review of Pig Behaviour:
http://www.pigjournal.co.uk/content/vol49abstracts.htm#7
"Animal Welfare & Meat Science" by Neville Gregory & Temple Grandin
http://www.pighealth.com/MEDIA/P/BOOKS/BKDETAIL/GREGORY.HTM
"The Weaner Pig: Nutrition and Management":
http://www.pighealth.com/weaner.htm


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Pig Disease Information Centre
Email: pdic@btclick.com Website: www.pighealth.com
Members of AHIS (Animal Health Information Specialists) UK & Ireland
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From:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com" 29-JAN-2003 14:42:35.86
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	crates versus pens and pasture

In a Salt Lake City (Utah, USA) Tribune article concerning workers who were=20
disturbed by the confinement and handling practices of the Circle 4 hog plan=
t=20
in Utah, the following was attributed to Dr. Paul Sundberg, assistant vice=20
president of veterinary issues for the (US) National Pork Board, Washington,=
=20
DC:

=A0=A0=A0 Sundberg acknowledged that spatial issues are still an inexact sci=
ence.=20
But an international panel of experts in animal welfare will soon publish an=
=20
article concluding that a stall in which a sow cannot turn around is no more=
=20
or less humane than a sow in a pen or in a pasture.=20
<A HREF=3D"http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01232003/utah/22578.asp">http://ww=
w.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01232003/utah/22578.asp</A>

I am wondering if any on the list serv are aware of an international=20
committee of scientists writing such a report?

Thanks in advance for any information you may have.

Marlene Halverson
Farm Animal Economic Advisor
Animal Welfare Institute
P.O. Box 286
Northfield, MN  55057
USA


From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 29-JAN-2003 15:05:28.48
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	National Pork board's euthanasia methods for neonatal pigs compared to Euthanasia 2000 committee guidelines

Paul Sundberg, assistant vice president of veterinary issues for the =
National Pork Board, based in Washington says in the article below that =
it is acceptable to slam a neonatal pig against a wall or floor (blunt =
trauma) to kill it - the article says that it can take 2 or 3 blows.  =
The American Vet Assoc. guidelines on Euthanasia 2000 describe blunt =
trauma to the CENTRAL CRANIUM as acceptable for neonatal pigs' =
euthanasia.  There seems to be a disparity here.  The Vet Assoc. says to =
hit the pig on the center-top of the head where the skull is most thin, =
and that the person must be trained.  The actual application of this is =
that the "trained" person swings the 1 wk old pig against a wall or =
floor which would cause the head to hit at an angle -- NOT the center of =
the cranium.   Am I wrong about this?  I think that it would require =
GREAT dexterity and preciseness to swing a pig that little so that it =
hit its head properly.    The National Pork Board is not following the =
suggested euthanasia guidelines for 2000 and it is no wonder that =
workers were sickened by it.
Heather

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rexxie1@aol.com=20
  To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:40 PM
  Subject: crates versus pens and pasture


  In a Salt Lake City (Utah, USA) Tribune article concerning workers who =
were disturbed by the confinement and handling practices of the Circle 4 =
hog plant in Utah, the following was attributed to Dr. Paul Sundberg, =
assistant vice president of veterinary issues for the (US) National Pork =
Board, Washington, DC:

      Sundberg acknowledged that spatial issues are still an inexact =
science. But an international pan el of experts in animal welfare will =
soon publish an article concluding that a stall in which a sow cannot =
turn around is no more or less humane than a sow in a pen or in a =
pasture.=20
  http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01232003/utah/22578.asp

  I am wondering if any on the list serv are aware of an international =
committee of scientists writing such a report?

  Thanks in advance for any information you may have.
  < BR> Marlene Halverson
  Farm Animal Economic Advisor
  Animal Welfare Institute
  P.O. Box 286
  Northfield, MN  55057
  USA

From:	IN%"sarahlhellis@hotmail.com"  "Sarah Ellis" 29-JAN-2003 16:04:19.42
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	publication hunt

Dear All,
I was wondering if anyone knows of publications by ethologist Dr Nienke 
Endenburg and where i could get hold of them, if possible online?
Regards
Sarah Ellis
BSc (Joint Hons)



_________________________________________________________________
MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk


From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 29-JAN-2003 16:50:51.24
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"sarahlhellis@hotmail.com"  "Sarah Ellis"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: publication hunt

Hi, I think that it might be o.k. to write to her directly (see below) and
ask for a reference list of her published articles.  Then you can search for
each online or ask her for reprint(s) of your top favorite one or two.
Heather

Contact Person: Dr. Nienke Endenburg
University of Utrecht
Yalelaan 8
NL-3584 CM Utrecht
THE NETHERLANDS
Tel: + 31 30 253 1565
Fax: + 31 30 251 8126
E-mail n.endenburg@vet.uu.nl
Website: www-mri.bio.uu.nl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Ellis" <sarahlhellis@hotmail.com>
To: <Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: publication hunt


>
>
> Dear All,
> I was wondering if anyone knows of publications by ethologist Dr Nienke
> Endenburg and where i could get hold of them, if possible online?
> Regards
> Sarah Ellis
> BSc (Joint Hons)
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>
>



From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 29-JAN-2003 19:16:55.40
To:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: National Pork board's euthanasia methods for neonatal pigs compared to Euthanasia 2000 committee guidelines

The discrepancy between guidelines of the National Pork Board and the =
American Vet. Association do not surprise me. I know very little, in =
fact, almost nothing about pig farming except for the fact that the same =
methods are practiced here, at least in my area. Our wolf centre is in =
relative close proximity to a number of pig farms and, the farmers we =
are familiar with, do kill their "runts" in these ways (hammer and by =
throwing them against walls). What I find most horrible about these =
practices, aside from their brutal, and what I consider inhumane nature, =
is that these killing methods are actually labelled "euthanasia." In my =
opinion, these animals undergo anything but a quick, peaceful, and easy =
death.=20

Vivian
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: heather mcmurray=20
  To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:04 PM
  Subject: National Pork board's euthanasia methods for neonatal pigs =
compared to Euthanasia 2000 committee guidelines


  Paul Sundberg, assistant vice president of veterinary issues for the =
National Pork Board, based in Washington says in the article below that =
it is acceptable to slam a neonatal pig against a wall or floor (blunt =
trauma) to kill it - the article says that it can take 2 or 3 blows.  =
The American Vet Assoc. guidelines on Euthanasia 2000 describe blunt =
trauma to the CENTRAL CRANIUM as acceptable for neonatal pigs' =
euthanasia.  There seems to be a disparity here.  The Vet Assoc. says to =
hit the pig on the center-top of the head where the skull is most thin, =
and that the person must be trained.  The actual application of this is =
that the "trained" person swings the 1 wk old pig against a wall or =
floor which would cause the head to hit at an angle -- NOT the center of =
the cranium.   Am I wrong about this?  I think that it would require =
GREAT dexterity and preciseness to swing a pig that little so that it =
hit its head properly.    The National Pork Board is not following the =
suggested euthanasia guidelines for 2000 and it is no wonder that =
workers were sickened by it.
  Heather


From:	IN%"sheltie1@ix.netcom.com" 29-JAN-2003 21:26:43.91
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: wildlife research

Hi list,
I guess I'm surprised that anyone would resort to cutting parts off 
coyotes to identify them when the alternatives are so much better. If 
the identity of the animal needs to be established, an id microchip 
or tattoo would be quick, permanent, and much less painful. If the 
location of the animal is needed, a radio collar is reliable over 
long distances and time periods without the researcher having to wait 
for snow and count toes on each set of coyote footprints.

-L.M.M.


>In response to the pain involved in toe amputation, the coyotes are first
>shot with a dart loaded with a tranquilizer, so they hopefully are
>unconscious when this occurrs. But, when they wake up, I see no mention of
>antibiotics or pain meds administered. And I don't appreciate reverting to
>Descarte's theory that animal pain is not analogous to human pain. Canids
>have analogous psychological conditions to humans, such as Alzheimers,
>separation anxiety OCD... So, if canids are psychologically this similar to
>humans doesn't it insinuate that they may be pysiologically similar as well?
>We really have no idea how much this procedure affects these coyotes,
>physically or psychologically. Therefore, in my opinion, it is unethical.
>Unless we have more data, informing us how this may or may not have negative
>consequences for the coyotes, we must err on the side of caution. We
>certainly would not be able to conduct this type of procedure on a human,
>even with a signed informed consent. It would be considered unethical. If we
>wouldn't even consider doing such a thing to a human, what rationale can we
>use to advocate this on a fellow animal?
>
>Cindy L. Schulze
>Research Assistant
>Cincinnati Addiction Research Center
>3210 Jefferson Ave
>Cin., Ohio 45220
>(513) 861-3100 x 4783
>cindy.schulze@med.va.gov


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From:	IN%"pdic@btclick.com"  "Pig Disease Information Centre UK" 30-JAN-2003 04:39:08.32
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Environmental enrichment for pigs - "toys"

Here is a mesage I am posting on behalf of Heleen Vandeweerd
Mike Meredith

________________________________________________
Dear All,

The project I am working on here in the UK, was mainly funded by Defra
(Department of Agriculture, rural affairs and the environment) to provide
insight in what is good enrichment for pigs. Defra also played a very active
role in the discussions which have led to this EU Directive. As Mike points
out, one of the main requirements is to provide all pigs with permanent
access to a sufficient quantity of material [  ]  to enable proper
investigation and manipulation activities. It is up to each member state now
to implement this Directive in National legislation and to decide what
manipulable materials are.

In our research project we focussed on developing enrichment for pigs in
part-slatted of fully slatted systmes, because most pigs in the EU are kept
in those systems, and providing rootable substrates such as straw on slatted
floors will cause problems with slurry systems. We investigated first what
pigs find important characteristics of enrichment in order to design
something which is meaningful for a pig. The results pointed towards
characteristics which are related to behaviours such as foraging and
exploration and manipulation. We have presented results from this experiment
on the last two ISAE conferences, but if you'd like to know more, I am
afraid you 'll have to wait a little, as the manuscript is in the
'submitted' phase.

We are now designing objects which incorporate these main characteristics
(this is not so easy!) and will investigate their effects on the pigs
(effects on performance and coping in different test situations etc.). These
trials are still in progress.

But for now the farmers have to provide their pigs with some 'toy' in order
to comply with legislation. There are some objects on the market, but it is
not completely clear whether they are meaningful enrichment for the pigs. So
may be the best advice to give to farmers at the moment is to be creative
and try a few things out with their pigs. They should be able to tell
whether the pigs interact with objects or whether they get bored soon with
what they give them.

I do not want to make this mail to long, so feel free to mail me for more
info.

Heleen

:o)     :o)      :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)

Dr. H.A. van de Weerd
University of Newcastle
ADAS Terrington
Terrington St. Clement
Kings Lynn
Norfolk
PE34 4PW, UK

Tel: +44 (0) 1553 828621
Direct: +44 (0) 1553 825891
Fax: +44 (0) 1553 827229
email: Heleen.vandeweerd@adas.co.uk

:o)    :o)      :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)



From:	IN%"Heleen.Vandeweerd@adas.co.uk"  "Heleen Vandeweerd" 30-JAN-2003 04:43:47.52
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "=?x-user-defined?Q?ML_=E9tho_appliqu=E9e?="
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Environmental enrichment for pigs

Dear All,

The project I am working on here in the UK, is funded by Defra (Department =
of Agriculture, rural affairs and the environment) and industrial partners =
to provide insight in what is good enrichment for pigs. Defra also played a=
 very active role in the discussions which have led to this EU Directive. A=
s Mike points out, one of the main requirements is to provide all pigs with=
 permanent access to a sufficient quantity of material [  ]  to enable prop=
er investigation and manipulation activities. It is up to each member state=
 now to implement this Directive in National legislation and to decide what=
 manipulable materials are.
=20
In our research project we focussed on developing enrichment for pigs in pa=
rt-slatted of fully slatted systmes, because most pigs in the EU are kept i=
n those systems, and providing rootable substrates such as straw on slatted=
 floors will cause problems with slurry systems. We investigated first what=
 pigs find important characteristics of enrichment in order to design somet=
hing which is meaningful for a pig. The results pointed towards characteris=
tics which are related to behaviours such as foraging and exploration and m=
anipulation. The research also shows that a mere ball is not stimulating en=
richment for pigs, as they loose interest in it very soon. We have presente=
d results from this experiment on the last two ISAE conferences, but if you=
'd like to know more, I am afraid you 'll have to wait a little, as the man=
uscript is in the 'submitted' phase.=20

We are now designing objects which incorporate these main characteristics (=
this is not so easy!) and will investigate their effects on the pigs (effec=
ts on performance and coping in different test situations etc.). These tria=
ls are still in progress.

But for now the farmers have to provide their pigs with some 'toy' in order=
 to comply with legislation. There are some objects on the market, but it i=
s not completely clear whether they are meaningful enrichment for the pigs.=
 So may be the best advice to give to farmers at the moment is to be creati=
ve and try a few things out with their pigs. They should be able to tell wh=
ether the pigs interact with objects or whether they get bored soon with wh=
at they give them.

I do not want to make this mail to long, so feel free to mail me for more i=
nfo.

Heleen


:o)     :o)      :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)

Dr. H.A. van de Weerd
University of Newcastle
ADAS Terrington
Terrington St. Clement
Kings Lynn
Norfolk
PE34 4PW, UK

Tel: +44 (0) 1553 828621
Direct: +44 (0) 1553 825891
Fax: +44 (0) 1553 827229
email: Heleen.vandeweerd@adas.co.uk

:o)    :o)      :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Pig Disease Information Centre UK=20
  To: Ethology Posting=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:50 AM
  Subject: Environmental enrichment for pigs


  Environmental enrichment for pigs has hit the media headlines this week
  because a new EU directive comes into force next week requiring farmers to
  provide "manipulable material" (aka "toys") for pigs. Failure to meet this
  requirement risks 90 days in prison or a =A31,000 fine.

  I know that some Ethology list members have researched this topic, so I
  wonder if they could provide us with an update of the latest research
  findings, key references, books and online articles?

  Thanks

  Mike Meredith

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From:	IN%"caroline.docking@adas.co.uk"  "Caroline Docking" 30-JAN-2003 04:51:02.32
To:	IN%"pdic@btclick.com"  "Pig Disease Information Centre UK", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Environmental enrichment for pigs - "toys"

It is worth noting that under UK legislation there has been a requirement
for the provision of environmental enrichment for pigs for a number of
years.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pig Disease Information Centre UK" <pdic@btclick.com>
To: "Ethology Posting" <Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Environmental enrichment for pigs - "toys"


> Here is a mesage I am posting on behalf of Heleen Vandeweerd
> Mike Meredith
>
> ________________________________________________
> Dear All,
>
> The project I am working on here in the UK, was mainly funded by Defra
> (Department of Agriculture, rural affairs and the environment) to provide
> insight in what is good enrichment for pigs. Defra also played a very
active
> role in the discussions which have led to this EU Directive. As Mike
points
> out, one of the main requirements is to provide all pigs with permanent
> access to a sufficient quantity of material [  ]  to enable proper
> investigation and manipulation activities. It is up to each member state
now
> to implement this Directive in National legislation and to decide what
> manipulable materials are.
>
> In our research project we focussed on developing enrichment for pigs in
> part-slatted of fully slatted systmes, because most pigs in the EU are
kept
> in those systems, and providing rootable substrates such as straw on
slatted
> floors will cause problems with slurry systems. We investigated first what
> pigs find important characteristics of enrichment in order to design
> something which is meaningful for a pig. The results pointed towards
> characteristics which are related to behaviours such as foraging and
> exploration and manipulation. We have presented results from this
experiment
> on the last two ISAE conferences, but if you'd like to know more, I am
> afraid you 'll have to wait a little, as the manuscript is in the
> 'submitted' phase.
>
> We are now designing objects which incorporate these main characteristics
> (this is not so easy!) and will investigate their effects on the pigs
> (effects on performance and coping in different test situations etc.).
These
> trials are still in progress.
>
> But for now the farmers have to provide their pigs with some 'toy' in
order
> to comply with legislation. There are some objects on the market, but it
is
> not completely clear whether they are meaningful enrichment for the pigs.
So
> may be the best advice to give to farmers at the moment is to be creative
> and try a few things out with their pigs. They should be able to tell
> whether the pigs interact with objects or whether they get bored soon with
> what they give them.
>
> I do not want to make this mail to long, so feel free to mail me for more
> info.
>
> Heleen
>
> :o)     :o)      :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)
>
> Dr. H.A. van de Weerd
> University of Newcastle
> ADAS Terrington
> Terrington St. Clement
> Kings Lynn
> Norfolk
> PE34 4PW, UK
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1553 828621
> Direct: +44 (0) 1553 825891
> Fax: +44 (0) 1553 827229
> email: Heleen.vandeweerd@adas.co.uk
>
> :o)    :o)      :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)     :o)
>
>
>
>
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From:	IN%"Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk"  "Moira Harris" 30-JAN-2003 08:09:37.87
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Humane euthanasia for young pigs

Dear Heather, Vivian and all,
Very interested to see the discussion of euthanasing young piglets by 
hitting them on the head.  Having killed several piglets using exactly 
these methods (both by hitting with something heavy and using a 
wall/floor) I thought I might add a bit.

Soon after a litter of piglets is born, it is apparent to all around 
that the occasional one is not going to survive, due to being too small, 
sick or deformed.  In that situation, the humane thing to do (assuming 
it can't be fostered or treated) is to kill it as quickly as possible.  
Some animal caretakers don't like to kill piglets so will leave them to 
die (by starvation, chilling or being crushed by the sow) -- which is 
less humane, I think you'd agree.

According to the AVMA (Report of the AVMA panel on euthanasia 2000): 
"Some consider physical methods of euthanasia aesthetically unpleasing.  
There are occasions however, when what is perceived as aesthetic and 
what is most humane are in conflict".  It goes on to say that "A blow to 
the head can be a humane method of euthanasia for neonatal animals with 
thin craniums, such as young pigs, if a single sharp blow delivered to 
the central skull bones with sufficient force can produce immediate 
depression of the central nervous system and destruction of brain 
tissue.  When properly performed, loss of consciousness is rapid."
http://www.avma.org/resources/euthanasia.pdf
  
In Canada, the Code of Practice for the Care and Handling of Pigs 
(1993), produced in cooperation with the CVMA, Canadian Council on 
Animal Care and Canadian Federation of Humane Societies, says:
"The best method for killing a young piglet (under 3 weeks of age) 
quickly and painlessly, is to strike the animal on the top of its head 
with a heavy blunt object, such as a hammer.  The blow must be 
administered swiftly, firmly, and with absolute determination."
http://www.carc-crac.ca/common/pigs.pdf

Regarding hitting piglets' heads against a wall as opposed to striking 
them with a heavy object, admittedly the latter might be a bit more 
precise.  Practically, however, a wall/floor is always available in the 
farrowing room which is probably why it is often used.  Certainly, 
somebody who has been trained properly should be able to cause rapid 
death by hitting a piglet's head against a wall straight on (not 
sideways) -- IF they do it hard enough.  I would have thought that a 
situation where 2-3 blows were needed would arise either because the 
person euthanising wasn't hitting hard enough (inhumane) or the piglet 
was too big.

Yes, killing a piglet by trauma to its head is brutal, and I wouldn't 
disagree for a minute that it's aesthetically unpleasing.  But I do 
think it's important to separate ourselves a bit here from what is 
'nice' and what is humane.

Best wishes,
- Moira

-------------------------------------

Dr. Moira Harris

Dept. of Clinical Veterinary Science 
University of Bristol
Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk

Dept. of Biological Sciences
University of Warwick
Moira.Harris@warwick.ac.uk




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From:	IN%"Rexxie1@aol.com" 30-JAN-2003 08:58:11.13
To:	IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: crates versus pens and pasture

Here is a more reasonable interpretation of the UK environmental enrichment 
provision.
<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/29/uk.pigs.play/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/29/uk.pigs.play/index.html</A> 

Marlene Halverson

From:	IN%"pdic@btclick.com"  "Pig Disease Information Centre UK" 30-JAN-2003 09:51:48.50
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"  "Ethology Posting"
CC:	
Subj:	"Toy Story" denials

The media frivolity about "toys" for pigs recently seems to have produced
some
"backlash" denials from DEFRA and the European Commission .
The DEFRA welfare website provides no information at all on this debate.

Marlene has already drawn our attention to:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/29/uk.pigs.play/index.html

Here is a news agency report..

BRUSSELS DENIES EDICT FOR PIGS TO PLAY FOOTBALL
January 29, 2003
Agence France Presse
European commission spokeswoman Beate Gminder was cited as saying Wednesday
that pigs are not being required to play football, nibble on chains or
nuzzle on teddy bears under a new European Union directive, adding, "To make
this very, very clear... our directive does not talk about toys. It does
specify "that pigs should have permanent access to a sufficient quantity of
material to enable proper investigation and manipulation activities, such as
straw, hay, wood, sawdust, mushroom compost or a mixture of such", she said.
"These are all naturally available on a farm and no farmer would need to buy
extra toys to keep his pigs happy."
The European Commission official said: "We are not in charge of implementing
orders of national ministries and I cannot comment upon them.  "On a general
basis, animal welfare is certainly one of our priorities and is also close
to society's heart," she said.

Digby Scott of the UK National Pig Association comments today..
============================================
The European Commission have responded in intemperate vein to yesterday's
flurry of stories about "toys" for pigs.

The sudden interest in what NPA would more formally describe as "manipulable
materials" was provoked by a report in The Times, which in turn was sparked
by a letter in last week's Farmers Weekly.

According to an apparently outraged EC yesterday, The Times' story was
"utter eurosceptic rubbish", which seems a slightly harsh way of describing
a lighthearted news report on a matter of interest to producers and
consumers alike.

Jim Dougal, head of the European Commission in the UK said: "If the UK wants
to tell farmers that they should supply toys for pigs that is a matter for
them. There is no mention of toys in the EU directive. Yet again we see
sections of the press resorting to invention in order to propagate their
eurosceptic agenda."

For the record, neither the government nor the NPA refer to manipulable
materials as "toys". On the other hand, it isn't a hugely inaccurate
description.

It would perhaps be more accurate to say, for instance, that "A new law says
pigs should have toys" than it would be to say "The European Commission have
a sense of humor".

=============

I am concerned that in the current media frivolity and official reactive
responses the potential value of "toys" for pigs may become a "baby thrown
out with the bathwater".

My own experience and that of many pig keepers I have met over the years, is
that pigs do seem to derive considerable pleasure from "toys" and that
entertainments like these can help to reduce fighting e.g. after mixing
groups of pigs.

There is now a huge amount of research from other species to indicate that
mental and emotional "well-being" can have beneficial effects on the immune
system
see: www.lovehealth.org/info/psychoneurobiology.htm
Is there any noteworthy  research in this area specifically relating to
pigs?

Some of my own ideas on animal well-being can be viewed at:
www.synalia.com/holistic.htm

Comments?

Thanks for all your responses to my request for info on "environment
enrichment", the applied-ethology forum is great!

Mike

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From:	IN%"hmcmurra@elp.rr.com"  "heather mcmurray" 30-JAN-2003 20:45:01.15
To:	IN%"Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk"  "Moira Harris", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Humane euthanasia for young pigs

Rabbits are also supposed to be able to be humanely killed by a blow to the
head, yet with the bigger rabbits I've come across a report of a person
(woman, recovering from auto accident) who could not kill the rabbits except
with repeated blows.  This is not uncommon as many people raising rabbits
for meat don't have the strength for quick physical euthanasia of a large
rabbit.

The Vet guidelines clearly state that the blow has to hit the center of the
cranium with sufficient force.  It seems as if swinging piglets against a
wall is no guarantee of humane euthanasia anymore than whapping a rabbit
over the head.  The Vet guidelines repeatedly state that the person doing
this should be well trained and monitored.  I suspect that the people
killing piglets at the farm are not thoroughly taught -- that they assume
they should just hit the piglet's head on the wall or floor.  I sincerely
would be most surprised if those people knew that they were suppose to aim
directly for the top of the skull.   I would be even more surprised if their
piglet kills were monitored.

Has anyone studied the effect on the mother and siblings of a littermate
being killed within sight, smell and hearing?

What *is* a guarantee of humane euthanasia with these smaller animals among
the physical euthanasia methods is the penetrating captive bolt - both
rabbits and piglets - to the brain.  Why doesn't anyone use this method
instead?
.
Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moira Harris" <Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk>
To: <applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:07 AM
Subject: Humane euthanasia for young pigs


> Dear Heather, Vivian and all,
> Very interested to see the discussion of euthanasing young piglets by
> hitting them on the head.  Having killed several piglets using exactly
> these methods (both by hitting with something heavy and using a
> wall/floor) I thought I might add a bit.
>
> Soon after a litter of piglets is born, it is apparent to all around
> that the occasional one is not going to survive, due to being too small,
> sick or deformed.  In that situation, the humane thing to do (assuming
> it can't be fostered or treated) is to kill it as quickly as possible.
> Some animal caretakers don't like to kill piglets so will leave them to
> die (by starvation, chilling or being crushed by the sow) -- which is
> less humane, I think you'd agree.
>
> According to the AVMA (Report of the AVMA panel on euthanasia 2000):
> "Some consider physical methods of euthanasia aesthetically unpleasing.
> There are occasions however, when what is perceived as aesthetic and
> what is most humane are in conflict".  It goes on to say that "A blow to
> the head can be a humane method of euthanasia for neonatal animals with
> thin craniums, such as young pigs, if a single sharp blow delivered to
> the central skull bones with sufficient force can produce immediate
> depression of the central nervous system and destruction of brain
> tissue.  When properly performed, loss of consciousness is rapid."
> http://www.avma.org/resources/euthanasia.pdf
>
> In Canada, the Code of Practice for the Care and Handling of Pigs
> (1993), produced in cooperation with the CVMA, Canadian Council on
> Animal Care and Canadian Federation of Humane Societies, says:
> "The best method for killing a young piglet (under 3 weeks of age)
> quickly and painlessly, is to strike the animal on the top of its head
> with a heavy blunt object, such as a hammer.  The blow must be
> administered swiftly, firmly, and with absolute determination."
> http://www.carc-crac.ca/common/pigs.pdf
>
> Regarding hitting piglets' heads against a wall as opposed to striking
> them with a heavy object, admittedly the latter might be a bit more
> precise.  Practically, however, a wall/floor is always available in the
> farrowing room which is probably why it is often used.  Certainly,
> somebody who has been trained properly should be able to cause rapid
> death by hitting a piglet's head against a wall straight on (not
> sideways) -- IF they do it hard enough.  I would have thought that a
> situation where 2-3 blows were needed would arise either because the
> person euthanising wasn't hitting hard enough (inhumane) or the piglet
> was too big.
>
> Yes, killing a piglet by trauma to its head is brutal, and I wouldn't
> disagree for a minute that it's aesthetically unpleasing.  But I do
> think it's important to separate ourselves a bit here from what is
> 'nice' and what is humane.
>
> Best wishes,
> - Moira
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Dr. Moira Harris
>
> Dept. of Clinical Veterinary Science
> University of Bristol
> Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk
>
> Dept. of Biological Sciences
> University of Warwick
> Moira.Harris@warwick.ac.uk
>
>
>
>
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From:	IN%"iris.bachmann@alumni.ethz.ch"  "Iris Bachmann" 31-JAN-2003 01:08:55.44
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	"new" member

Dear members of the Applied-ethology network

after some time I am back to the network and would like to introduce myself.

I am a young ethologist and finished recently my PhD on horse welfare 
aspects in Switzerland at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in 
Zurich. Please refer to

- Bachmann I, Stauffacher M. Prevalence of behavioral disorders in the 
Swiss horse population. Schweiz Arch Tierheilkd. 2002 Jul;144(7):356-68. 
(in German)

- Bachmann I, Stauffacher M. Housing and use of horses in Switzerland: a 
representative analysis of the status quo. Schweiz Arch Tierheilkd. 2002 
Jul;144(7):331-47. (in German)

- Bachmann I. et al., 2002. Risk factors associated with the occurrence of 
the behavioural disorders cribbing, weaving and box-walking in Swiss 
horses. Equine Veterinary Journal, in press

Iris Bachmann



From:	IN%"bid@kvl.dk"  "Birgitte Iversen Dam" 31-JAN-2003 04:00:45.76
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Sow prop

Dear all,
In a report on the Freedom Farrowing System for sows (Baxter, 1991), a sow prop, i.e. a sloping wall with an escape area for the piglets by the floor is described. It is stated that in an experimental comparison sows prefered the sow prop to a vertical wall when lying down. 

Unfortunately there are no references in this report. Does anyone know whether such an experiment has been published (cannot find it anywhere) or alternatively, does anyone have Mike Baxter's e-mail adress so I can ask him directly?

Thanking you in advance,
Birgitte Damm



From:	IN%"marchant@purdue.edu"  "Jeremy Marchant Forde" 31-JAN-2003 08:10:19.42
To:	IN%"bid@kvl.dk"  "Birgitte Iversen Dam", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Sow prop

Hi Birgitte,

Mike left the agriculture world and last I heard was heading a design college:

Professor Mike Baxter

Dean of School of Design
Ravensbourne College of Design and Communication
Walden Road
Chislehurst Kent BR7 5SN
Phone: 0181 289 4900
Fax: 0181 295 1070
Email: m.baxter@rave.ac.uk

 Don't know if he's still there or not.

I can't recall any data to support the statements in that 1991 Farm Building Progress paper, but he did a lot of work on posture changing some years earlier. e.g. Baxter, MR, Schwaller C.E., (1983) Space requirements for sows in confinement. In: Farm Animal Housing and Welfare
(Eds. S. Baxter, MR Baxter and JAC MacCormack) Martinus Nijhoff, The Hague. Current Topics in Veterinary Medicine and Animal Science, Vol 24. pp181-194.

All the best,

Jeremy

Birgitte Iversen Dam wrote:

> Dear all,
> In a report on the Freedom Farrowing System for sows (Baxter, 1991), a sow prop, i.e. a sloping wall with an escape area for the piglets by the floor is described. It is stated that in an experimental comparison sows prefered the sow prop to a vertical wall when lying down.
>
> Unfortunately there are no references in this report. Does anyone know whether such an experiment has been published (cannot find it anywhere) or alternatively, does anyone have Mike Baxter's e-mail adress so I can ask him directly?
>
> Thanking you in advance,
> Birgitte Damm

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From:	IN%"info@kerwoodwolf.com"  "Kerwood Wolf Education Centre Inc." 31-JAN-2003 09:21:08.57
To:	IN%"Moira.Harris@bristol.ac.uk"  "Moira Harris", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Humane euthanasia for young pigs

Very good point, Moira, and thank you. My main concerns with these killing
methods are however, that:

a) Often, the people implementing them are not properly trained and the
piglets suffer needlessly as a result, and

b) It is virtually impossible for animal welfare organizations, etc. to
monitor these killings and thus, they will continue for the most part in
their present form.

Vivian


> Yes, killing a piglet by trauma to its head is brutal, and I wouldn't
> disagree for a minute that it's aesthetically unpleasing.  But I do
> think it's important to separate ourselves a bit here from what is
> 'nice' and what is humane.
>
> Best wishes,
> - Moira



From:	IN%"jlanier@hsus.org"  "Jennifer Lanier" 31-JAN-2003 10:26:35.16
To:	IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	Swine gestation crates

Hi all, I am looking for research that has looked at the welfare of sows
and gilts in gestation crates. I have found a few, but not enough to say
the welfare of the sow/gilt is comprised by this type of housing system.
Does anyone know of some good studies?

Jennifer

Jennifer L. Lanier, Ph.D.
Director of Scientific Programs
Farm Animals and Sustainable Agriculture
The Humane Society of the United States
2100 L. Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20037
(301) 548 7787
(301) 258 3081 Fax
jlanier@hsus.org

From:	IN%"slvnhld@ix.netcom.com"  "OBi Fox" 31-JAN-2003 10:59:11.63
To:	IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca"
CC:	
Subj:	flight zones

If anyone can direct me to a copy of Heini Hediger's 1951 work entitled:
"Observations sur la Psychologie Animals dans las Parcs Nationaux du Congo
Belge."
(Institut des Parcs Nationaux du Congo Belge. Brussells)
it would be most appreciated.

Any and all other references to flight zones would be appreciated as well.
I am particularly looking for data documenting zone and response distance
measurements - any and all
species welcome.

thank you
OBi Fox