From: IN%"ceannicrc@yahoo.com" "Cecilia Lambert" 16-JUL-2005 05:36:39.79 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Chicken necks/antibiotics, steroids Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQOK6ZNE688YCCK8@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from ceannicrc@yahoo.com); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:36:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQOK6ZKMCG8YCAYZ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:36:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (spamf4.usask.ca [128.233.150.98]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LQOK6ZJUJY8WZDPG@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:36:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 43D3B76EC1 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:33:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.122]) by spamf4.usask.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 414FE76E45 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:33:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 70146 invoked by uid 60001); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:36:30 +0000 Received: from [4.225.16.180] by web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Cecilia Lambert Subject: Chicken necks/antibiotics, steroids To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <20050716113630.70144.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jkS1r/iZ+X5od3BTA5HxbuqTRdqxgrWvX1BRYEFgrmYxl8S7g3hJ8RigGbe/Yh/qkVodeQ7P0PsTk0RTuv5mcC4kZi3WM3OkIqkb0k6IdIBuAf+rp65eG/t/fQBgDS0oHDPVTjLVG+Wrs4pjpF+XvMWU7v1b4z3ej/nGgwoGxKw= ; X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.16.7 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __DOMAINKEYS_YAHOO 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_CRUFT 0' I read that the neck of the chicken is where they inject the chickens with all the stuff they use to make them grow fast and the antibiotics they use for whatever reason. There is a vet. in IN who advocates feeding the big cats and other exotics chicken necks. For the big cats, that means 100s of lbs of chicken necks per feeding. Question: How much of the stuff injected stays or is absorbed in the tissue of the neck, itself? This doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I know that feeding my coyotes a couple of chicken necks, isn't going to hurt them. I think feeding a cougar 100s of pounds, might have an effect on the cougar. CeAnn CeAnn Lambert Indiana Coyote Rescue Center www.coyoterescue.org ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From: IN%"jorighetti@optusnet.com.au" "Joanne Righetti" 16-JUL-2005 20:01:41.68 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: barking case studies Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQPEEHBZ008YCCK8@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from jorighetti@optusnet.com.au); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:01:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQPEEF5FLC8YCAYZ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:01:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (spamf4.usask.ca [128.233.150.98]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LQPEEF2SGM8WZEE1@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:01:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CA0E76E81 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:58:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by spamf4.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9268276E51 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:58:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from Joanne (c211-30-89-63.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.89.63]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6H21Lfc002293 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:01:28 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:01:25 +1000 From: Joanne Righetti Subject: barking case studies In-reply-to: To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <200507170201.j6H21Lfc002293@mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dFa8UBgSeWEcE/O3tDBX0Q)" Thread-Index: AcWIc1d32RMDaqdRTQ2fL/NpkpUQSAB/DnUg X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.16.33 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_dFa8UBgSeWEcE/O3tDBX0Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am looking for examples of barking problems solved, in particular ones that have been particularly difficult to resolve. Was the successful outcome dependent on the owner, the dog, products, professional advice, fines etc etc? I will be holding a discussion with local government officers regarding their input into barking problems. We will talk about typical problems, understanding the cause of the problem, use of anti-barking devices and so on but I am keen to know of any particularly difficult or unusual cases and how these were resolved - if anyone cares to share their case studies or own experience with me. Thanks in advance, Joanne Dr Joanne Righetti Animal Behaviourist Sydney, Australia Tel 61 2 9416 9800 0414 561 699 www.petproblemsolved.com.au --Boundary_(ID_dFa8UBgSeWEcE/O3tDBX0Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I am looking for examples of barking problems solved, in particular ones that have been particularly difficult to resolve. Was the successful outcome dependent on the owner, the dog, products, professional advice, fines etc etc?

 

I will be holding a discussion with local government officers regarding their input into barking problems. We will talk about typical problems, understanding the cause of the problem, use of anti-barking devices and so on but I am keen to know of any particularly difficult or unusual cases and how these were resolved – if anyone cares to share their case studies or own experience with me.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Joanne

 

 

 

Dr Joanne Righetti

Animal Behaviourist

Sydney, Australia

Tel 61 2 9416 9800

0414 561 699

www.petproblemsolved.com.au

 

--Boundary_(ID_dFa8UBgSeWEcE/O3tDBX0Q)-- From: IN%"jhaskins@tpg.com.au" "Jenny Haskins" 18-JUL-2005 18:13:01.55 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Ethology" CC: Subj: RE: organic piglets Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQS36I5C9C8YD1TJ@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from jhaskins@tpg.com.au); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:13:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQS36I2O748YD1SE@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:12:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (spamf4.usask.ca [128.233.150.98]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LQS36HZX3S8X00CV@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:12:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C4E0076E5F for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:09:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by spamf4.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B5976E57 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:09:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from serialno (203-213-87-154-cof-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au [203.213.87.154]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6J0Cnf7021875 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:12:50 +1000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:18:08 +1000 From: Jenny Haskins Subject: Re: organic piglets To: Ethology Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <006501c58bf7$584f4460$9a57d5cb@serialno> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.18.29 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' References: <000301c587f7$692e6fd0$7e2cc2cb@STUDY> Though, you would have to consider *why* the early weaning took place. Maybe a bitch (or queen, or sow) who has more aggressive tendencies tends to wean her of-spring earlier. Maybe a Bitch (etc) tends to wean more aggressive pups earlier? Etc, Etc. Remember that correlation does not always indicate cause. I weaned one of my (4) babies earlier than the others -- because she was a fussy feeder, and made my nipples very sore. I weaned another one much later as he was such a calm baby and such a pleasure to suckle. I know that I always felt that the correlation seen between children who were 'young for their class' and behaviour was more because a mother with a tear-away child was more likely to send that child off to school as soon as possible. Quiet children the mothers were more likely to keep at home the extra year. My eldest son was very definitey a tear-away and a problem in class. Because of interstate moves he ended up being one of the oldest in his grade. His teachers used to ask me his birthday, and when I told them July (the official cut off for each year was July 31st) they'd look knowing and nod their heads. Except that David was more than a year older than the youngest in the class. (He'd been mid-year intake in the State he began school in.) Jenny Haskins BSc, DipEd. GradDipAppSc Certificate IV in Behavioural Dog Training ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Jackie" To: "'E. Wayne Johnson'" ; Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 8:08 AM Subject: RE: organic piglets "A friend from Rochester NY whose family raises Siamese cats told me once that too-early weaning tends to make them fractious. Can this aggressiveness be explained as a hunger driven behaviour? I would agree that the breast provides more than just milk. It would be interesting to know if there are species differences and how the important the non-nutritive effects are to the pig." Of course there is Dog Appeasing Pheromone taken from the intermamary skin spaces of the lactating bitch, synthesized, and used in a slow release format to calm distressed or fearful adult dogs (during storms, noise events, rehoming etc) as it calms puppies when they suckle. Perhaps pigs have something similar. 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=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_BM+aLfp6vONTIJ5iPpRUmA)-- From: IN%"m.dierendonck@planet.nl" 21-JUL-2005 01:31:01.52 To: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "'Anna Olsson'" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: heritability of behaviour Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQVB24DB9S8YFE0G@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from m.dierendonck@planet.nl); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:31:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LQVB2498CG8YFIUZ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:30:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (spamf4.usask.ca [128.233.150.98]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LQVB247B9S8WW4Z4@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:30:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E64876DF1 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:27:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from dgkm.vet.uu.nl (dgkm.vet.uu.nl [131.211.172.25]) by spamf4.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47D76DCF for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:27:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from VAIOMachteld (dhcp-169-229.vet.uu.nl [131.211.169.229]) by dgkm.vet.uu.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06251; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:32:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:29:44 +0200 From: machteld van dierendonck Subject: RE: heritability of behaviour In-reply-to: <200507071739470000.0007A3EE@smtp.ibmc.up.pt> To: 'Anna Olsson' Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: m.dierendonck@planet.nl Message-id: <003c01c58dc6$1c041dc0$e5a9d383@VAIOMachteld> Organization: Ethology & Welfare MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.20.48 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Anna, In general I would say the species specific (fixed action pattern type) complex behaviour for parental behaviour perse is high (the way a mare suckles her foal within species very similar, while it differs from a cow of sheep or....). However, it takes usually place in a complex environment thus the individual implementation can be very different (especially in the case of species who bring food to their offspring). (The predator defence within an ungulate spp is much more diverse than its suckling behaviour). So be careful to define clearly what you mean by which word / description / level. Machteld ========================================= Machteld van Dierendonck m.c.vandierendonck@vet.uu.nl m.dierendonck@planet.nl -----Original Message----- From: Anna Olsson [mailto:olsson@ibmc.up.pt] Sent: donderdag 7 juli 2005 18:40 To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Subject: heritability of behaviour Dear all, I'm interested in the heritability of behaviour, as I'm addressing the possibilities to select for desired behavioural traits in an ethics report. More in particular, I would like to know whether it is correct to say that at the present state-of-the-arts, the heritability for complex behaviour patterns (such as parental behaviour) is low? Or moderate? And do we know to what extent the heritability is limited due to a strong environmental influence on such traits, and to what extent it is limited due to difficulty in measuring the traits? Regards, Anna Olsson Dr Anna Olsson Researcher Animal Behaviour and Welfare - Bioethics Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology - IBMC Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto Phone +351 22 607 4900 Fax +351 22 6099157 From: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "Anna Olsson" 21-JUL-2005 03:42:23.31 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: breeding for behaviour - again! 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Clear:RC:1 (192.168.0.179):. Processed in 0.022769 secs); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:35:19 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Ethos) (192.168.0.179) by 0 with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:35:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:47:31 +0100 From: Anna Olsson Subject: breeding for behaviour - again! To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <200507211047310031.0053E396@smtp.ibmc.up.pt> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: olsson@ibmc.up.pt via faro.ibmc.up.pt X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25st (Clear:RC:1(192.168.0.179):. Processed in 0.022769 secs Process 24222) X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.21.3 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_SUBJ_9 0' Another question on breeding and behaviour: Ethical considerations apart, would it be possible to breed animals that did not have welfare problems in confinement systems: hens that were happy in a battery cage? I see several problems: 1. effectively you would have to breed for a bird that was not motivated to perform any other behaviours than those that can be performed in a battery cage, so it would be a complex trait 2. what if we breed for inactivity rather than anything else? could we not then risk ending up not with a bird that is doing well but with a bird that reacts passively to adverse conditions (cf discussion on who is better off, the animal that develops stereotypies or its neighbour that develops no coping response to a similarly adverse environments)? This is a topic we're addressing in a paper on ethics and animal breeding, and your input is extremely welcome! Also suggestions for references, if anybody else has addressed this question. (Stan, I've ordered Temple Grandin's book but it hasn't arrived yet!) Regards, Anna Dr Anna Olsson Researcher Animal Behaviour and Welfare - Bioethics Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology - IBMC Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto Phone +351 22 607 4900 Fax +351 22 6099157 From: IN%"i.mclean@gichd.ch" "McLean Ian" 28-JUL-2005 03:47:11.15 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Job opportunity - (land)mine detection dogs Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR57UD21RK8YK9ES@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from i.mclean@gichd.ch); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:47:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR57U8PYHC8YK9EB@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:47:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (spamf4.usask.ca [128.233.150.98]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LR57U8KT3Q8X2WJ8@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:46:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 75BA776F2D for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:43:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from peace.gcsp.ch (mail.gcsp.ch [195.49.1.48]) by spamf4.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A15D76E5A for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:43:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from black.maison.ch (unverified [192.168.1.22]) by peace.gcsp.ch (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.19) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:50:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:46:38 +0200 From: McLean Ian Subject: Job opportunity - (land)mine detection dogs To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <877F65BB5F7B684B8A972683CA1422261DE6DE@black.maison.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JdBzXrB0UQ23TiMDx4lCRA)" Thread-Topic: Job opportunity - (land)mine detection dogs thread-index: AcWTWT+9MScGXfH5QaCswE59P39OsA== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.28.3 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_CRUFT 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JdBzXrB0UQ23TiMDx4lCRA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PzEHdXX8UdyLVbnCPF61ow)" --Boundary_(ID_PzEHdXX8UdyLVbnCPF61ow) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <> Hi I suppose ethology does not become more applied than a job working with mine detection dogs! There are about 1000 dogs being used in about 25 countries for mine detection, and of course many more used for explosives detection. I currently work for an agency that provides support to the mine detection industry, and my particular expertise is with dogs, or more specifically dog behaviour and training. Others at the GICHD support manual demining, operational management, mechanical demining systems, political agreements, and so on. The Centre currently provides leadership for the industry in a number of areas, and we work to maintain that position through recruitment of highly qualified professionals. Many, but not all, of our professionals come from the mine detection industry. But we also have a role to play in research, and for that we need good scientists. Such people are not to be found in the industry, and we are looking widely outside the industry to find the right person who will combine a number of key characteristics - especially science skills, dog skills, a sense of adventure, cultural sensitivity, and a willingness to deploy to fascinating and challenging work locations. After almost 5 years, the two of us who currently work in this position (well, two positions) are moving on. The Centre is undergoing a rebuild of its technical support team now, and is replacing us with one person for the moment. That does not mean too much work, because we are finishing most of our current projects before we leave and the new person and the new job will grow together. We look forward to receiving applications from enthusiastic people. You can find out more at www.gichd.ch Sincerely Ian Mclean ********************************************************* Ian G. 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After almost 5 year= s, the two of us who currently work in this position (well, two posit= ions) are moving on. The Centre is undergoing a rebuild of its techni= cal support team now, and is replacing us with one person for the mom= ent. That does not mean too much work, because we are finishing most = of our current projects before we leave and the new person and the ne= w job will grow together.

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From: IN%"jawa_uk@yahoo.co.uk" "Zara Williams" 29-JUL-2005 06:53:46.69 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Dogs and snakes Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR6SO3ESJ48YK6WT@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from jawa_uk@yahoo.co.uk); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:53:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR6SO3BLM88YKRFD@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:53:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [128.233.150.22]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LR6SO39BRK8WYTDX@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:53:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 27E0910B9CD1 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:53:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.45]) by spamf3.usask.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BFC610B9CA1 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:53:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 9876 invoked by uid 60001); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:53:33 +0000 Received: from [129.215.16.39] by web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:33 +0100 (BST) From: Zara Williams Subject: Dogs and snakes To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <20050729125333.9874.qmail@web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qSSR+a+h3LSOaWCGzCSgI3GbTnoJrPqY/yxO5ysLBq0m57iWDCVAZ3/0ivGPu9gvC97zH423iBFgesi3AVTsV66h85mTk3VpdTcEbZU4RNIsSyvg888ADWrc+XgIcmzXYQ+NvVgU345uD/BYzDNcXZZjEs9cDiZp5SaXhUEpV70= ; X-PMX-Version: 5.0.3.165339, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.29.8 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FRAUD_419_INTRO 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PORN_PHRASE_15_0 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_CRUFT 0' Hello, I would like to introduce myself: my name is Zara Williams and I am currently working on a dissertation as part of my MSc in Applied Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare. This project comprises of two parts: a literature review (re. socialization in dogs, ,welfare etc.) and an investigation into the human interpretation of dog behaviours. I have two enquiries about this: 1 - does anyone know of any literature re. the human interpretation of dog behaviour? I know that there are some papers out there re. dog interpretation of human behaviour, and the dog-human relationship, however, I don't seem to be able to find much about the use of behavioural cues/anthropomorphism to interpret dog behaviour, miscommunication etc. 2 - I would hugely appreciate it if anyone interested in dog socialization and/or anyone who has the time could proof read my literature review. Rather than annoy everyone by attaching it to this message,I thought that I would ask first. So please contact me if you are at all interested, I cannot overstate how grateful I would be... And as as slight aside, I own a corn snake who appears to have escaped from his vivarium and has now taken up residence behind a massive wardrobe. I was wondering if anyone knows of any luring/trapping techniques that I could to use to get him back, before I resort to dismantling the furniture (I have tried leaving out mice and hot water bottles, but so far he doesn't seem tempted). Thanks ever so much for your time, everyone, Zara Williams BSc Zoo Hons, MSc(pending) ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From: IN%"sue@nestnature.com" "Sue Alexander" 29-JUL-2005 07:05:15.45 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Dogs and snakes Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR6T27GYJ48YL2LB@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from sue@nestnature.com); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:05:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR6T276VXC8YKZLJ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:05:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [128.233.150.22]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LR6T26SW4Q8X392U@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:05:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CFAA810BA7E7 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:05:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from t2.bbs42.com (t2.bbs42.com [206.51.27.3]) by spamf3.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA1610BAB4D for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:04:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from Suesoffice (CPE000fea1b7e10-CM014340112280.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.112.132.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by t2.bbs42.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j6TD4u5c030802 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:04:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:04:55 -0400 From: Sue Alexander Subject: Re: Dogs and snakes To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <00fc01c5943e$1ed4c170$c1847018@Suesoffice> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-PMX-Version: 5.0.3.165339, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.29.10 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' References: <20050729125333.9874.qmail@web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > And as as slight aside, I own a corn snake who appears > to have escaped from his vivarium and has now taken up > residence behind a massive wardrobe. I was wondering > if anyone knows of any luring/trapping techniques that > I could to use to get him back, before I resort to > dismantling the furniture (I have tried leaving out > mice and hot water bottles, but so far he doesn't seem > tempted). > > Thanks ever so much for your time, everyone, > > Zara Williams BSc Zoo Hons, MSc(pending) > How about instead of providing elements of an environment that are attractive, you made the area behind the wardrobe less enticing. I would think that putting light behind there, blowing cold air in there and/or making it wet with a wet towel might make the wardrobe a less interesting place to be. Now the downside that I can say about that is that the snake might actually drive him to somewhere even more remote. But it is the best I can think of at the moment. Sue Alexander CPDT CDBC Dogs in the Park Guelph, Ontario From: IN%"kc@synalia.com" 29-JUL-2005 07:30:35.21 To: IN%"jawa_uk@yahoo.co.uk" "Zara Williams" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Dogs and snakes Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR6TXPCJQO8YK6WT@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from kc@synalia.com); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:30:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR6TXP9JF48YKRFD@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:30:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (spamf4.usask.ca [128.233.150.98]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LR6TXP7V8U8X34CM@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:30:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf4.usask.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 306C276E87 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:26:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from judy.edifax.com (judy.edifax.com [216.54.61.27]) by spamf4.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096AA76E6E for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:26:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from www.synalia.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by judy.edifax.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6TDMUJ9016253; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:22:30 -0400 Received: from 216.54.61.170 (SquirrelMail authenticated user synalia@synalia.com) by www.synalia.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kayce Cover Subject: Re: Dogs and snakes In-reply-to: <20050729125333.9874.qmail@web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Zara Williams Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: kc@synalia.com Message-id: <1283.216.54.61.170.1122643350.squirrel@www.synalia.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 X-ClientAddr: 127.0.0.1 X-judy.edifax.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-judy.edifax.com-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: kc@synalia.com X-PMX-Version: 5.0.3.165339, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.29.10 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report='PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.716, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FRAUD_419_INTRO 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PORN_PHRASE_15_0 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_CRUFT 0, __USER_AGENT 0' References: <20050729125333.9874.qmail@web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Zara, I like the way Sue is thinking, but two of three of those things are likely to be attractive to the snake, so might not shoo him out. I have managed exotic animals for quite awhile, but am not a herp expert, but have some experience. Here is what I would try: I would continue to put out food, a water pan and a warmth source, at a regular time, for about 10 minutes, no more. Watch and be prepared to pick up the snake if he approaches. If he is molting, it may take a week or more before he will stir, and if he has recently fed, it may be awhile before he wants to eat. As I recall, large snakes might eat only once a month, followed by a molt with nearly every feeding. Our small amphibians and reptiles on exhibit ate 2-3 times a week. You might make a cue when you are setting these things out, and I would choose something vibration based, like a knock pattern on the wardrobe, (not loud), or a low note on a kazoo, or some such thing. I would put myself in position and meditate about doing the laundry or nothing, and keep my mind off the snake, meanwhile keeping myself prepared to act, and quiet, so as not to scare him with noise. At the end of the ten minutes, I would pick everything up and put it away. The snake will decide if he wants these things and will come out during the window of opportunity, which makes it possible for you to watch for him, rather than trying to be vigilant for him all the time. Observing snakes and other herptiles in the wild, they often seem to have schedules to their day. For example a rattle snake at a park in Florida, lives in palmetto stand, but crosses onto the lane every morning to go down to a certain area. Later - early afternoon he is often seen going toward the pond. Good luck, and I hope you are able to connect with him again. You might also keep an eye out on the pavement around your house in the evening, just in case he got past you and is no longer in the wardrobe. Best, Kayce Syn Alia Training Systems http://www.synalia.com > Hello, > > I would like to introduce myself: my name is Zara > Williams and I am currently working on a dissertation > as part of my MSc in Applied Animal Behaviour and > Animal Welfare. This project comprises of two parts: > a literature review (re. socialization in dogs, > ,welfare etc.) and an investigation into the human > interpretation of dog behaviours. I have two > enquiries about this: > 1 - does anyone know of any literature re. the human > interpretation of dog behaviour? I know that there > are some papers out there re. dog interpretation of > human behaviour, and the dog-human relationship, > however, I don't seem to be able to find much about > the use of behavioural cues/anthropomorphism to > interpret dog behaviour, miscommunication etc. > 2 - I would hugely appreciate it if anyone interested > in dog socialization and/or anyone who has the time > could proof read my literature review. Rather than > annoy everyone by attaching it to this message,I > thought that I would ask first. So please contact me > if you are at all interested, I cannot overstate how > grateful I would be... > > And as as slight aside, I own a corn snake who appears > to have escaped from his vivarium and has now taken up > residence behind a massive wardrobe. I was wondering > if anyone knows of any luring/trapping techniques that > I could to use to get him back, before I resort to > dismantling the furniture (I have tried leaving out > mice and hot water bottles, but so far he doesn't seem > tempted). > > Thanks ever so much for your time, everyone, > > Zara Williams BSc Zoo Hons, MSc(pending) > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > Kayce Cover Syn Alia Training Systems http://www.synalia.com From: IN%"jorighetti@optusnet.com.au" "Joanne Righetti" 30-JUL-2005 01:29:41.04 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: pets and crime Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR7VMOOKYO8YLPQR@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from jorighetti@optusnet.com.au); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:29:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR7VMMMBRK8YLPQI@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:29:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [128.233.150.22]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LR7VMMJPOA8X3DSH@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:29:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 51AC61415343 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:29:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by spamf3.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F59F1415327 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:29:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from Joanne (c211-30-89-63.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.89.63]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6U7T9lV031712 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:29:17 +1000 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:29:12 +1000 From: Joanne Righetti Subject: pets and crime To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <200507300729.j6U7T9lV031712@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5cWfuvEDe+gk6743vJQWtA)" Thread-Index: AcWU2Bg89gfxLzCNTkazBRqy5xb55g== X-PMX-Version: 5.0.3.165339, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.29.46 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_5cWfuvEDe+gk6743vJQWtA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Seeking help on pets and crime: I have been asked to comment on a claim that pet owners are less likely to commit crimes than non-pet owners. I am unaware of any research which has examined or found this. Can anyone enlighten me please? Thanks, Joanne Dr Joanne Righetti Animal Behaviourist Tel (02) 9416 9800 0414 561 699 www.petproblemsolved.com.au --Boundary_(ID_5cWfuvEDe+gk6743vJQWtA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Seeking help on pets and crime:

 

I have been asked to comment on a claim that pet owners are less likely to commit crimes than non-pet owners. I am unaware of any research which has examined or found this. Can anyone enlighten me please?

 

Thanks,

 

Joanne

 

 

 

 

Dr Joanne Righetti

Animal Behaviourist

Tel (02) 9416 9800

0414 561 699

www.petproblemsolved.com.au

 

--Boundary_(ID_5cWfuvEDe+gk6743vJQWtA)-- From: IN%"Michalchik@aol.com" 31-JUL-2005 11:05:13.17 To: IN%"jorighetti@optusnet.com.au", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pets and crime Return-path: Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR9U1KZOTS8YLAC3@sask.usask.ca> (original mail from Michalchik@aol.com); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:05:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) id <01LR9U1IWIXC8YM170@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:05:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [128.233.150.22]) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31081) with ESMTP id <01LR9U1IUA968X3QNT@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-expand@process.sask.usask.ca (ORCPT applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:05:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from spamf3.usask.ca (spamf3.usask.ca [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 10B4F1479B69 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:05:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by spamf3.usask.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5571479B65 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:05:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from Michalchik@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id e.9a.2ac47674 (16781); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Michalchik@aol.com Subject: Re: pets and crime To: jorighetti@optusnet.com.au, applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <9a.2ac47674.301e5eb8@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5016 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_EiIFbVB70ZBFk2PukMKgNw)" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-PMX-Version: 5.0.3.165339, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.7.31.18 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='NO_REAL_NAME 0, __AOL_FROM 0, __BAT_BOUNDARY 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' --Boundary_(ID_EiIFbVB70ZBFk2PukMKgNw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I just wanted to point out if such studies existed they would only indicate a correlational relationship not a causal one. In other words, the kind of people who own pets may be less likely to commit crime because they tend to be more responsible and caring people to begin with. The pets themselves may be having no effect on their owners behavior. --Boundary_(ID_EiIFbVB70ZBFk2PukMKgNw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I just wanted to point out if such studies existed they would only indicate a correlational relationship not a causal one. In other words, the kind of people who own pets may be less likely to commit crime because they tend to be more responsible and caring people to begin with. The pets themselves may be having no effect on their owners behavior.
 
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