From: IN%"haleyd@EM.AGR.CA" "DEREK HALEY" 31-MAY-1999 08:28:51.50 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Using live prey as food for captive animals Dear All, I am looking for any references which discuss the various animal welfare issues related to using live prey as food for captive animals. Derek Haley From: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" 31-MAY-1999 16:20:23.48 To: IN%"haleyd@EM.AGR.CA" "'DEREK HALEY'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Using live prey as food for captive animals Derek The ETHICAL issues are discussed by Felicity Huntingford in an Animal Behaviour booklet called Ethics in Research on Animal Behaviour edited by Marian Dawkins & Morris Gosling. The paper was originally published in Animal Behaviour (1984) 32:210-215. The paper does discuss some welfare issues too eg methods to minimise suffering. Carol Petherick > -----Original Message----- > From: DEREK HALEY [SMTP:haleyd@EM.AGR.CA] > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 12:24 > To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: Using live prey as food for captive animals > > Dear All, > > I am looking for any references which discuss the various animal welfare > issues > related to using live prey as food for captive animals. > > > Derek Haley > > From: IN%"bjarne.braastad@ihf.nlh.no" "Bjarne O. Braastad" 1-JUN-1999 01:06:19.89 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Using live prey as food for captive animals At 10:23 31.05.99 -0400, DEREK HALEY wrote: .... >I am looking for any references which discuss the various animal welfare issues >related to using live prey as food for captive animals. To your information, using live prey as angle for wild animals or food for captive animals is totally forbidden by the Norwegian Animal Welfare Law, paragraph 8.3. A consequence of this is that it is automatically not allowed to keep snakes or other reptiles if these cannot eat dead prey (many will only eat live prey). A consequence of this again is that much of the captive reptiles in Norway are kept beyond the control of the welfare authorities. (Otherwise I have no other reference than that given by Carol) Bjarne ********************************************************** Bjarne O. Braastad (Dr.Philos.) Associate Professor of Ethology Dept. of Animal Science, Agricultural University of Norway, P.O. Box 5025, N-1432 Aas, Norway e-mail: bjarne.braastad@ihf.nlh.no fax: +47 64 94 79 60 phone: +47 64 94 79 80 ********************************************************** From: IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk" 1-JUN-1999 03:36:03.75 To: IN%"haleyd@EM.AGR.CA" "DEREK HALEY" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Using live prey as food for captive animals Dear Derek, Please forgive the blatant self promotion, however, I recently had an article published in 'The Shape of Enrichment' newsletter (Sherwin 1998) which I wrote in response to a previous article advocating feeding of live rats to bears and wolves as a purported form of environmental enrichment (Hammond 1998). Strictly speaking, my article discussed the ethics of this practice rather than the welfare issues, but there is considerable overlap in this instance. Hope this helps. Hammond, J.P. (1998). Give 'em a life. The Shape of Enrichment 7 (3) 4-6 Sherwin, C.M. (1998) 'Letter to the Editor' The Shape of Enrichment 7 (4) 16-17 On Mon, 31 May 1999 10:23:54 -0400 DEREK HALEY wrote: > Dear All, > > I am looking for any references which discuss the various animal welfare issues > related to using live prey as food for captive animals. > > > Derek Haley > > ---------------------- Chris Sherwin Division of Animal Health and Husbandry University of Bristol Langford House Langford Bristol BS40 5DU Phone: (0117) 928 9486 Fax: (0117) 928 9582 E-mail chris.sherwin@bris.ac.uk From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN BREGMAN" 1-JUN-1999 05:08:28.54 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Using live prey as food for captive animals At 09:05 AM 6/1/99 +0000, Bjarne O. Braastad wrote: >At 10:23 31.05.99 -0400, DEREK HALEY wrote: >.... >>I am looking for any references which discuss the various animal welfare >issues >>related to using live prey as food for captive animals. > >To your information, using live prey as angle for wild animals or food for >captive animals is totally forbidden by the Norwegian Animal Welfare Law, >paragraph 8.3. > >A consequence of this is that it is automatically not allowed to keep >snakes or other reptiles if these cannot eat dead prey (many will only eat >live prey). A consequence of this again is that much of the captive >reptiles in Norway are kept beyond the control of the welfare authorities. > >(Otherwise I have no other reference than that given by Carol) > > >Bjarne There's a book out on unintended consequences, and this sounds like another example. Right minded people trying to protect rats and mice have wound up hurting captive reptiles. No action is without unintended consequences. Vivian Vivian Bregman -- dog trainer for forty years -- interested in everything to do with science, especially Biology --- vbregman@interactive.net From: IN%"S.Gragert@t-online.de" 1-JUN-1999 05:54:46.08 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "applied-ethology" CC: Subj: AW legislation in Eastern Europe and arabian countries? Dear All, would you be so kind to share your knowledge on Animal Welfare legislation in Eastern European and Arabian countries? Apart from animal welfare in general, I would be interested in regulations concerning transport, slaughter and housing of cattle and pigs*. *(not in Moslem countries of course) Information about Poland as our direct neighbour and an important transit country would be especially welcome. Furthermore I would like to know what happens to animals being shipped to non EU-countries after e.g. downloading from the ship. In case of slaughter animals, how long are they kept alive and under what conditions? For example, are there slaughter plants anywhere near the harbours or is there a longer additional transport necessary? Any information in German or English (if possible), French or Polish** (if unavoidable, because e.g. a law should only exist in these languages) is welcome. **(my browser accepts diacriticals) Thank you. With best wishes. Yours sincerely Stephanie Gragert ------------------- Stephanie Gragert (PHD student at Leipzig University, Germany) Kochstr. 59 04275 Leipzig Tel/Fax +49 341 3304368 S.Gragert@t-online.de From: IN%"rondog@btinternet.com" "JB" 1-JUN-1999 07:33:58.86 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied ethology" CC: Subj: information This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9dqchCvyHn1/RnMvWsKz5A) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I want to compile a list of good web based sources of information about = ethology, psychology/psychiatry, welfare and treatment for animal = behaviour problems. I would very grateful if you could send me emails giving lists of = favourite sites on any or all of these subjects. rondog@btinternet.com --Boundary_(ID_9dqchCvyHn1/RnMvWsKz5A) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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--Boundary_(ID_9dqchCvyHn1/RnMvWsKz5A)-- From: IN%"heath@vetethol.demon.co.uk" "Sarah Heath" 1-JUN-1999 09:09:52.37 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Does anyone know of a good book dealing with Guinea Pig behaviour? From: IN%"bregman@interactive.net" "VIVIAN BREGMAN" 1-JUN-1999 09:22:29.10 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied ethology" CC: Subj: RE: information At 02:30 PM 6/1/99 +0100, JB wrote: >>>> Dear all, I want to compile a list of good web based sources of information about ethology, psychology/psychiatry, welfare and treatment for animal behaviour problems. I would very grateful if you could send me emails giving lists of favourite sites on any or all of these subjects. rondog@btinternet.com And I think that many of us on the list would appreciate it if you would post it on the list when you finish it. Thanks in advance. Vivian Vivian Bregman -- dog trainer for forty years -- interested in everything to do with science, especially Biology --- vbregman@interactive.net From: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin Walker" 1-JUN-1999 11:56:48.44 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology Network (E-mail)" CC: Subj: While Stookey's away -----Original Message----- From: Robin Walker [SMTP:robin@coape.win-uk.net] Sent: 01 June 1999 11:20 To: 'EuterpeL@aol.com'; dberreby@compuserve.com Cc: paleopsych@kumo.com; HowlBloom@aol.com; spiwiz@iglobal.net; = fentress@is.dal.ca; brianduc@cpt-proxy1.mweb.co.za; rgj999@yahoo.com; = paleopsych@paleopsych.org Subject: RE: Hermit colonies A Matron of trendy Pestogue Started a new fashion vogue "No panties is good for your Health!" (Was the lie concealing the Stealth) Of the dog who ate them - the Rogue! Anon (I know -I know- Pestogue rhyms with Dog but you have to have a little licence now and then dammit.) -----Original Message----- From: EuterpeL@aol.com [SMTP:EuterpeL@aol.com] Sent: 01 June 1999 01:35 To: dberreby@compuserve.com Cc: paleopsych@kumo.com; HowlBloom@aol.com; robin@coape.win-uk.net; = spiwiz@iglobal.net; fentress@is.dal.ca; brianduc@cpt-proxy1.mweb.co.za; = rgj999@yahoo.com; paleopsych@paleopsych.org Subject: Re: Hermit colonies In a message dated 05/31/1999 1:49:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 dberreby@compuserve.com writes: >=20 > Pets: Relationships to other human beings are a lot of work. They = need to > be constantly monitored. A relationship to a dog or cat doesn't need = so > much constant checking. Maybe that's why many people (especially = hermits) > enjoy animals.=20 > =20 You obviously have never met Cliche' who daily feasts upon anything = which my=20 hand or any other body part has touched. This includes my $200 cowboy = boots,=20 the tv remote, numerous pairs of my panties, my sneakers, a jacket, a = china=20 doll, the telephone cord in my bedroom, the telephone wire attached to = the=20 outside of the house, the siding on the house, paintbrushes, the rug in = the=20 bedroom, and the pillow on my bed.=20 He needs a lot of checking. Lor From: IN%"jwillard@turbonet.com" "Janice Willard" 2-JUN-1999 16:21:17.76 To: IN%"arioncr@mindspring.com" "Chris Redenbach" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: help-Leyhausen Hi Chris, I have not seen this book but you have piqued my interest. Do you, perhaps, remember how to contact the publisher and could you share that with the list? Perhaps if all of us interested in the book were to contact them, this might catch their attention. There may not be enough used books in the system to fill the need and with more people becoming interested in applied behavior, it could be argued that there is a market. Anyway, I'd be glad to add my request to yours if you can send me in the right direction. Janice At 07:31 AM 5/31/99 -0400, you wrote: > >By the mid 80's this Leyhausen book in English had gone out of print. I >called and wrote the publisher for months asking them to reprint it (to the >point that they asked if I am a relative of the author). >The same happened in trying to get the Eric Zimen book on wolves (which has >wonderful pen and ink illustrations). If anyone out there has a copy of >either book they would sell, please contact me. > >Chris Redenbach > > >At 10:20 AM 05/31/1999 +0000, you wrote: >>Dear Jeff (and Robin Walker), >> >>At 11:38 28.05.99 -0400, Jeff wrote: >>>Can anybody give me the reference for Leyhausen's original >>>analysis of the facial expressions of cats. Try as I may, I am >>>unable to find it. >>>Thanks >>>Jeff >> >>The original reference to this work is the following: >> >>Leyhausen, Paul. 1956. Verhaltensstudien an Katzen. Paul Parey Verlag, >>Berlin. >> >>An updated version of this book is later translated into English: >>Leyhausen, Paul. 1979. Cat Behavior. The Predatory and Social Behavior of >>Domestic and Wild Cats. Garland STPM Press, New York & London. ISBN >>0-8240-7017-8 This book can be highly recommended for everyone >>working on the behaviour of carnivores, and particularly felides. >> >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>********************************************************** >>Bjarne O. Braastad (Dr.Philos.) >>Associate Professor of Ethology >>Dept. of Animal Science, Agricultural University of Norway, P.O. Box 5025, >>N-1432 Aas, Norway >>e-mail: bjarne.braastad@ihf.nlh.no >>fax: +47 64 94 79 60 phone: +47 64 94 79 80 >> >>********************************************************** >> >Chris > > From: IN%"LittinK@landcare.cri.nz" "Kate Littin" 3-JUN-1999 00:45:34.14 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: introduction - possums hi, a brief introduction: i'm working toward a PhD looking at the humaneness of brushtail possum poisons used in New Zealand. I'm doing this with Cheryl O'Connor, who is known by some of you on this list, and others. We're using behaviour, physiology, pathology and clinical signs to indicate (or should that be suggest) the type, duration and intensity of suffering. Hope this is of interest to someone out there. regards, kate littin. From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" 3-JUN-1999 07:27:10.77 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: cats Leyhausen Info: we have a German copy from 1973. Prof.Dr.F.O.OEdberg Faculty of Veterinary Medicine Department of Animal Nutrition, Genetics, Production and Ethology Heidestraat 19 B-9820 Merelbeke tel: +32-(0)9-2647804 fax: +32-(0)9-2647849 From: IN%"JBrody@compuserve.com" "James F. Brody" 3-JUN-1999 20:40:45.97 To: IN%"palanth-l@egroups.com" "INTERNET:palanth-l@egroups.com", IN%"paleopsych@kumo.com" "Paleopsych", IN%"hbe-l@a3.com" "INTERNET:hbe-l@a3.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: Aquatic Ape Hello, Elaine Morgan's little text still comes to mind. The latest was sparked = by more information about an extinction bottle neck about 1 MYA. The earlie= r one (about 8 months ago) leaped from a paper in Science about monsoon conditions in NW Africa about 600K years ago. Not that it matters much but: 1) Flocks of hairless speckled hominids head to the beach this time of year. Some of us enjoy the sea even during other seasons, there's a calm= familiarity about her that may relate to my childhood memories or to my phylogenetic ones. 2) Our closest relatives would never head to a beach, they can't swim. Could an explanation similar to Morgan's account both for her observation= s and for mine? Jim Brody From: IN%"JBrody@compuserve.com" "James F. Brody" 5-JUN-1999 05:53:54.99 To: IN%"palanth-l@egroups.com" "INTERNET:palanth-l@egroups.com", IN%"paleopsych@kumo.com" "Paleopsych", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology", IN%"hbe-l@a3.com" "INTERNET:hbe-l@a3.com" CC: Subj: Aquatic Ape Message text written by David Berreby >Somewhere in my 97 notes there's a reference to a book published that ye= ar updating and defending Morgan. Do you want me to dig it up?< Fantastic! And thank you. I've heard that a lot of the flak arises because she's not in a universit= y setting but comes from "science writer" origins. (filthy people )= There have been two postings on the Anthro list. One, that swimming is a= new cultural thing and two, that the Myceneans were swimmers. I infer that "culture" is still the first emergency bag for bogus scripts= and that maybe there's a bit of doubt in the 2nd respondent about "cultur= e" handling this one. If you doubt the "culture" gambit, then the separati= on between us and chimps in bouyancy? or swimming? becomes a significant problem. I guess you could argue for a culture wherein dolphins discovered swimmin= g. Probably a valid approach if you really push gene/niche interactionism = as can be legitimately done. Or that human swimming is another neotenizati= on thing that we test by getting infant chimps to swim? This last idea may be pretty good and would keep them from being shot for= meat. Incidentally, I saw "instinct" last night and really enjoyed it. = = Glitch --- the soldiers in the end were portrayed as confused rescuers fo= r the missing primatologist rather than as hunters trying to make a couple = of bucks by supplying restaurants. Could have scored with the public in regard to protecting the great apes from ongoing butchers. I strongly regret the lapse. Second glitch, "primitive hunter gatherers" were idealized as being in tune with the earth. Ridley, "Origins of Virtue," makes a case that primitive H&G types put a lot of critters into extincti= on with fires and excess kills, apparently killing for the fun of the slaughter in the western U.S. So much for our noble savage. Jim From: IN%"D.Grajfoner@sms.ed.ac.uk" 7-JUN-1999 13:28:04.20 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Repertory Grid Technique Dear All, I am an MSc student at Edinburgh University (MSc Course in Applied Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare). I am looking for references on the use of Repertory Grid Technique in rating animal personality, emotions, moods, behavioural expressions etc. I have found just a paper on chimp personality by D. Dutton so far. I would appreciate any suggestion. Dusan Grajfoner Dusan Grajfoner Holland House - Annex 10 Pollock Halls of Residence 18 Holyrood Park Road Edinburgh EH16 5AY Scotland From: IN%"eva.joris@commit.gm" "Eva Joris" 8-JUN-1999 03:41:20.66 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Gambian horses and donkeys Now that you discussion has slowed down, I want to take the opportunity to ask you a question and explain why. I would like to have a addresses of charities in particular interested in horses and donkey. I have been working in The Gambia and will very soon go back, I am writing currently my own project and need sponsoring for it &;-( . You probably remember I brought up in the past the discussion on animal welfare in developing countries and priorities. I am in 'phase two' now and want to start a project covering both improved animal production and animal welfare. There is a great interest of the Gambian farmer for horses and to improve management and health of these animals. Horses (and donkey) are used to work the fields and to transport goods to the market. The Gambian farmer is honestly interested in the wellbeing of his horse and donkey but often does not know, or does not have access to care and information on how to keep and feed the animals (or do selective breeding). The horse population has increased drastically over the last 10 years in the Gambia and so there is no real tradition for keeping horses. As in development 'farmer demand' is very important, I would like to tackle the animal wellbeing and animal production problem in the Gambia with a horse and donkey project and in time when the trust and willingness of the farmer is gained also include other species. Gambians are good with animals and respect them a lot. Some Swiss charity has shown interests in the horse population in Gambia and even contacted a Gambian vet but without any follow up from the Gambian side! You have addresses or are you an interested charity yourself, please contact me on eva.joris@commit.gm. Thanks, Eva Joris. ----- MailStart Plus - http://www.mailstartplus.com Consolidate Your Mailboxes Into an Organized, Filtered, Spell-Checked, Anywhere, Anytime WebBox From: IN%"SBXNG@sbn3.phes.nottingham.ac.uk" "Nigel Goodwin" 8-JUN-1999 05:38:06.46 To: IN%"D.Grajfoner@sms.ed.ac.uk", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Repertory Grid Technique > I am looking for references on the use of Repertory Grid Technique > in rating animal personality, emotions, moods, behavioural > expressions etc. A presentation at ISAE '98 in France described a technique for plotting human descriptions of pig behaviour (interacting with a human) in graphical form. First author was F. Wemelsfelder, based at the Scottish Agricultural College (not too far from you at Edinburgh University!). I can send you the abstract if you want. Nigel From: IN%"Jon.Day@adas.co.uk" "Jon Day" 8-JUN-1999 06:07:02.20 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Repertory Grid Technique This technique, like many now being used in ethology, have been in widespread use in human studies - especially consumer sciences. Indeed these consumer sciences lead the way in the development of these techniques. It may be worth your while contacting the external relations office of the Institute of Food Sciences where they would be most happy to give you some papers and information. External Relations IFR Norwich Norwich Research Park Colney Norwich NR4 7UA TEL: 01603 255000 (ask for Catherine Reynolds). Regards, Jon Day >>> Dusan GRAJFONER <9808418@iona.sms.ed.ac.uk> 06/07/99 09:25pm >>> Dear All, I am an MSc student at Edinburgh University (MSc Course in Applied Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare). I am looking for references on the use of Repertory Grid Technique in rating animal personality, emotions, moods, behavioural expressions etc. I have found just a paper on chimp personality by D. Dutton so far. I would appreciate any suggestion. Dusan Grajfoner Dusan Grajfoner Holland House - Annex 10 Pollock Halls of Residence 18 Holyrood Park Road Edinburgh EH16 5AY Scotland This mail message, and any attachments, has been checked for Viruses by the ITC. Dr. Jon E. L. 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Regards ___________________ Hans Haussmann haussman@uni-hohenheim.de ,--¬_ Dept. for Animal Husbandry and Animal Breeding ,;;,_ ____/ /|/ (Institut fuer Tierhaltung und Tierzuechtung) ;; ( )___, ) ' University of Hohenheim, Germany ,' // V\__ Fax + 49 711 459 4239 _ / \ / \ Fon + 49 711 459 2476 (3006) ¬ ¬ ' Home page www.uni-hohenheim.de/aw ___________________ Mail 470/NT, Uni Hohenheim, D-70593 Stuttgart From: IN%"S.Chaplin@ed.sac.ac.uk" "Sarah Chaplin" 11-JUN-1999 02:09:08.95 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Economic losses by animal diseases and epidemics Hans, You asked: "Does anybody know of publications or statistics on costs in animal production caused by losses of animals, by reduced yields and by expenditure for treatments, medicines and vaccinations?" Kossaibati, M.A. and Esslemont, R.J. (1997). The costs of production diseases in dairy herds in England. The Veterinary Journal 154, 41-51. This includes health problems such as mastitis lameness and poor fertility as well as common production diseases and seems to me (not a vet and not an economist) to be very thorough. There has been quite a lot of work on the cost of lameness in dairy herds but as this paper is pretty recent the reference list at the back should be good enough lead for you. Hope this helps, Sarah Sarah Chaplin Dairy Health Unit SAC Veterinary Science Division Auchincruive AYR KA6 5AE Tel.01292 520318 Fax.01292 521069 Email.s.chaplin@ed.sac.ac.uk From: IN%"atkinson@sasa.gov.uk" "Nick Atkinson" 11-JUN-1999 05:32:41.21 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Goose deaths Hello everyone. I just joined the list a few days ago, and was wondering if anyone out there could give me an answer to the following question. Does anyone know about the incidence of either avian TB or botulism in wild goose populations? I am primarily interested in cases in the USA, but would be interested to hear about others. I know there have been catastrophic outbreaks in populations of ducks, and wondered if the same has happened in geese. Thanks for taking the time to ponder this. Nick Atkinson. -------------------------------------------- Wildlife Zoology, Scottish Agricultural Science Agency -------------------------------------------- From: IN%"meredith@farmline.com" "Michael Meredith" 11-JUN-1999 07:01:51.93 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Ethology Group Posting" CC: Subj: RE: Economic losses by animal diseases and epidemics Hans, We have reviewed, selected and catalogued Internet pig production & health economics resources and put them on our diskette "Pigs on the Internet". It includes some general livestock economics resources as well as swine ones. There are indeed forums for farm animal health, production & epidemiology. These are also catalogued in the "discussion groups" section of the diskette. Further details and sample pages of the diskette at: http://www.pighealth.com/Products/POIDISK.HTM Best Wishes, Mike Meredith -----Original Message----- From: HANS HAUSSMANN Date: 10 June 1999 15:29 Subject: Economic losses by animal diseases and epidemics A question for vets: Does anybody know of publications or statistics on costs in animal production caused by losses of animals, by reduced yields and by expenditure for treatments, medicines and vaccinations? Is there a better forum for this question? From: IN%"DMCWILLIAMS@APS.UoGuelph.CA" "Deborah McWilliams" 11-JUN-1999 10:28:33.04 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Goose deaths Hello Nick: Dr. Bruce Hunter (pathologist, Ontario Veterinary College) may have some info for you if you would like to contact him with your question. DebMcW > Date sent: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:30:06 +0100 (BST) > From: Nick Atkinson > Subject: Goose deaths > To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Priority: Normal > Hello everyone. I just joined the list a few days ago, and was > wondering if anyone out there could give me an answer to the > following question. Does anyone know about the incidence of either > avian TB or botulism in wild goose populations? I am primarily > interested in cases in the USA, but would be interested to hear about > others. I know there have been catastrophic outbreaks in populations > of ducks, and wondered if the same has happened in geese. > > Thanks for taking the time to ponder this. > > Nick Atkinson. > -------------------------------------------- > Wildlife Zoology, > Scottish Agricultural Science Agency > -------------------------------------------- > > dmcwilliams@aps.uoguelph.ca Deborah A. McWilliams Room 043, Animal and Poultry Science University of Guelph Guelph, ON, Canada, N1G 2X7 From: IN%"arkabc@arkanimals.com" "Ark Animals" 11-JUN-1999 14:03:28.07 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: conflicting conditioning reference request Is anyone out there familiar with the reference(s) for Pavlov's work on conflicting conditioning? If so could you please send me the references. Regards, Diana Guerrero Diana Guerrero AATT Ark Animals PO Box 1154 Escondido, CA 92033 arkabc@arkanimals.com Appointments at 800.818.7387 24 Hour Information 760.599.3697 "We Take Over Where Noah Left Off!" From: IN%"heath@vetethol.demon.co.uk" "Sarah Heath" 12-JUN-1999 08:44:25.33 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Thank you to everyone who replied to my request about Guinea Pigs. From: IN%"markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch" "Markus Stauffacher" 13-JUN-1999 10:06:10.94 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: solar eclipse and animals On August 11, 1999 there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Northern France/Southern Germany/Central Austria (Switzerland, Belgium 92-95%). I have been asked by the news agency of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich (ETH) whether and how animals react to this phenomenon. Does anybody know about changes in animal behaviour before/during/after solar eclipses (e.g. historical reports)? Thank you in advance. Markus Stauffacher _____________________________________________________ Dr. Markus Stauffacher Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Institute of Animal Sciences (INW) Physiology & Animal Husbandry Schorenstrasse 16 / SLA B21 CH-8603 Schwerzenbach Phone: +41.1.825.73.51 / Fax: +41.1.825.04.76 mail: markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch From: IN%"csermely@biol.unipr.it" "Davide Csermely" 14-JUN-1999 03:24:03.21 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals At 17.59 13-06-99 +0200, you wrote: >On August 11, 1999 there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Northern >France/Southern Germany/Central Austria (Switzerland, Belgium 92-95%). I >have been asked by the news agency of the Swiss Federal Institute of >Technology Zurich (ETH) whether and how animals react to this phenomenon. >Does anybody know about changes in animal behaviour before/during/after >solar eclipses (e.g. historical reports)? >Thank you in advance. >Markus Stauffacher > > Dear Markus, There are several ancient reports saying that birds stopped singing and other terrestrial species, eg mammals, became inactive during total eclipses. You might find more precise references in any good astronomy text book. Davide Csermely -- ****************************************************************************** Davide Csermely (Assoc. Prof. Vertebrate Zoology) Dip. Biologia Evolutiva e Funzionale Int. Tel.: +39-052 190 5632 Universita` di Parma Int. Fax: +39-052 190 5657 Parco Area delle Scienze 11A Email: csermely@biol.unipr.it 43100 Parma, Italy URL: http://www.biol.unipr.it ****************************************************************************** From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" 14-JUN-1999 04:22:10.59 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"csermely@biol.unipr.it" "Davide Csermely" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals > There are several ancient reports saying that birds stopped singing do nightingales START singing "Lovers in the night"...? Prof.Dr.F.O.OEdberg Faculty of Veterinary Medicine Department of Animal Nutrition, Genetics, Production and Ethology Heidestraat 19 B-9820 Merelbeke tel: +32-(0)9-2647804 fax: +32-(0)9-2647849 From: IN%"JNM@dmu.ac.uk" "Jeremy Marchant" 14-JUN-1999 06:49:06.65 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca'" CC: Subj: Absence from DMU Dear All, Just to let you know that I am away from De Montfort University for two months from today as I will be visiting Dan Weary and David Fraser at UBC, Canada. During this time, any e-mails and regular post should be forwarded on to me, but there may be delays before I can deal with things, especially ISAE Treasurer-type stuff! All the best, Jeremy ---------------------------------------------------- Dr. Jeremy Marchant, School of Agriculture, De Montfort University, Caythorpe, Grantham, Lincs., NG32 3 EP, UK. +44 1400 275682 jnm@dmu.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"Simon@Gadbois.com" 14-JUN-1999 16:10:18.15 To: IN%"markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch" "Markus Stauffacher", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals In 1994 or circa 1994, I was collecting data for my Ph.D. at the Canadian Centre for Wolf Research, in Nova Scotia, Canada, when we had a total eclipse. Our 12 animal pack was resting in the 10 acre enclosure. The animal caretaker was there during the duration of the eclipse: not one animal moved an inch or seem to even notice the event despite the dramatic change in light and temperature (I believe, even more noticeable in Nova Scotia because of the proximity of the sea). Simon Gadbois, Acadia University and Dalhousie University Markus Stauffacher wrote: > On August 11, 1999 there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Northern > France/Southern Germany/Central Austria (Switzerland, Belgium 92-95%). I > have been asked by the news agency of the Swiss Federal Institute of > Technology Zurich (ETH) whether and how animals react to this phenomenon. > Does anybody know about changes in animal behaviour before/during/after > solar eclipses (e.g. historical reports)? > Thank you in advance. > Markus Stauffacher > > _____________________________________________________ > > Dr. Markus Stauffacher > Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) > Institute of Animal Sciences (INW) > Physiology & Animal Husbandry > Schorenstrasse 16 / SLA B21 > CH-8603 Schwerzenbach > Phone: +41.1.825.73.51 / Fax: +41.1.825.04.76 > mail: markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch From: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" 14-JUN-1999 16:28:54.75 To: IN%"markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch" "'Markus Stauffacher'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals Markus It is reported that birds go to roost. I've read that only in the popular press so I'm not sure if studies have been made on it. Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Markus Stauffacher [SMTP:markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch] > Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 1:59 > To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: solar eclipse and animals > > On August 11, 1999 there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Northern > France/Southern Germany/Central Austria (Switzerland, Belgium 92-95%). I > have been asked by the news agency of the Swiss Federal Institute of > Technology Zurich (ETH) whether and how animals react to this phenomenon. > Does anybody know about changes in animal behaviour before/during/after > solar eclipses (e.g. historical reports)? > Thank you in advance. > Markus Stauffacher > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Dr. Markus Stauffacher > Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) > Institute of Animal Sciences (INW) > Physiology & Animal Husbandry > Schorenstrasse 16 / SLA B21 > CH-8603 Schwerzenbach > Phone: +41.1.825.73.51 / Fax: +41.1.825.04.76 > mail: markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch From: IN%"v8350@bealenet.com" 14-JUN-1999 17:27:21.02 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch" Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals Approx. 18 years ago there was a total solar eclipse over central Alabama in the Southeastern U.S. A captive adult Eastern grey squirrel, (non-releasable), reacted by retreating into the nestbox in his room shortly before the eclipse was total. Normally this would occur at dusk. He did not emerge for about two hours, and then was edgy and tended to stay close by me, rather than engaging in his usual 'housekeeping' activities. The adult cat elsewhere in the house seemed quite unaffected by the eclipse. Outside, the birds did fall silent. It was a bit uncanny: no rustlings and even the insect sounds were noticeable by their absence. A group of humans with engineering training piled outdoors enthusiastically carrying a variety of devices with which to view the eclipse. As the eclipse became total, the humans voices became quieter and the group did seem to draw together somewhat. So, that's my 'ancient report'! Regards, Mary Mary Smith v8350@bealenet.com Woodford, Va. U.S.A. WRL, RAWRN state lic. squirrels since '78 ______________________________ From: IN%"gadams@central.murdoch.edu.au" 14-JUN-1999 18:39:12.56 To: IN%"PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au" "'Petherick, Carol (TBC)'", IN%"markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch" "'Markus Stauffacher'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals When we had an eclipse down under here in Perth Western Australia I watched the birds flock into the trees to roost for the 'night', then fly off again. -----Original Message----- From: Petherick, Carol (TBC) [mailto:PetherC@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 6:26 AM To: 'Markus Stauffacher'; applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Subject: RE: solar eclipse and animals Markus It is reported that birds go to roost. I've read that only in the popular press so I'm not sure if studies have been made on it. Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Markus Stauffacher [SMTP:markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch] > Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 1:59 > To: applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: solar eclipse and animals > > On August 11, 1999 there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Northern > France/Southern Germany/Central Austria (Switzerland, Belgium 92-95%). I > have been asked by the news agency of the Swiss Federal Institute of > Technology Zurich (ETH) whether and how animals react to this phenomenon. > Does anybody know about changes in animal behaviour before/during/after > solar eclipses (e.g. historical reports)? > Thank you in advance. > Markus Stauffacher > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Dr. Markus Stauffacher > Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) > Institute of Animal Sciences (INW) > Physiology & Animal Husbandry > Schorenstrasse 16 / SLA B21 > CH-8603 Schwerzenbach > Phone: +41.1.825.73.51 / Fax: +41.1.825.04.76 > mail: markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch From: IN%"jwillard@turbonet.com" "Janice Willard" 15-JUN-1999 00:18:31.33 To: IN%"markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch" "Markus Stauffacher" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: solar eclipse and animals It seems to me that you are in a marvelous position to do a great study, especially if you have the assistance of a news agency. People all over the affected area could be asked to do observations and send them to you for analysis. Certainly there are plenty of interested individuals (like those in the Audubon Society) who could be asked to observe some particular animal or animal group (domestic or wild), write down what the animal does, the time they make that observation and their location and send this information to you. If you alert the news media and get the request out to people, you should have enough time between now and the event to get plenty of volunteers. Then you could collate the data and publish it and we would be thrilled to see what you find out! This is a great opportunity to turn a naturally occurring, rare event into a scientific study. (If you don't do this, I hope someone else in Europe does). Janice Willard, DVM, MS At 05:59 PM 6/13/99 +0200, you wrote: >On August 11, 1999 there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Northern >France/Southern Germany/Central Austria (Switzerland, Belgium 92-95%). I >have been asked by the news agency of the Swiss Federal Institute of >Technology Zurich (ETH) whether and how animals react to this phenomenon. >Does anybody know about changes in animal behaviour before/during/after >solar eclipses (e.g. historical reports)? >Thank you in advance. >Markus Stauffacher > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Dr. Markus Stauffacher >Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) >Institute of Animal Sciences (INW) >Physiology & Animal Husbandry >Schorenstrasse 16 / SLA B21 >CH-8603 Schwerzenbach >Phone: +41.1.825.73.51 / Fax: +41.1.825.04.76 >mail: markus.stauffacher@inw.agrl.ethz.ch > From: IN%"JBrody@compuserve.com" "James F. Brody" 15-JUN-1999 15:11:04.14 To: IN%"hbe-l@a3.com" "INTERNET:hbe-l@a3.com", IN%"paleopsych@kumo.com" "Paleopsych", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology", IN%"rgj999@yahoo.com" "Russ Gardner, MD", IN%"evolutionary_psychology@egroups.com" "EP@groups" CC: Subj: Placebos and Platonic Psychopharmacology The following was an outcome of reports from NIH that there are no differences in antidepressants and was relayed to "Science" in April '98 for their letters section. All has been silent except for a post card fr= om them that is now on my office wall. I'm relaying this because we haven't yet grasped the unique gentic outcom= es that each of us displays and medication effects is only one hint, althoug= h a very large, juicy one, of genetic polymorphisms and personal differenc= es in the network interactions that Stu Kauffman attempted to describe in "A= t Home in the Universe." Jim Brody Paul MacLean Festschrift BOSTON! Back Bay Hilton, $75. 7/16-17/99 23 speakers (approx) including Karl Pribram To be issued as 2 vol. series by major publisher. Contact Russ Gardner, rgj999@yahoo.com for details =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Martin Enserink's essay (Can Placebo be the Cure? Science, 9 Apr., pp. 238-240) reminds us to confront gremlins rustling in our methodological closets. A "placebo" response is probably elicited by our mechanisms for building alliances, that we --- especially because we're primates --- seek and cherish alliances and become less assertive, more helpless, more pitiable= when we lose one. I have no doubts such feelings have biochemical substrates and that we have yet to trip over all of them. Still, I am grateful for medicines on behalf of the formerly timid housewives who now= stand up to their espoused tyrant, the once angry males who no longer ris= k their passengers with attacks of road rage, and the children who used to cry in school and quit homework after the 1st mistake --- all of whom changed while taking one or another of the "new generation" antidepressan= ts and who responded to one but not to another. We must address the inconvenient fact that client response to any particular antidepressant varies sharply with the individual client. It can also vary with the same client at different times of life and in different circumstances. The legend is true and external to placebo effects, that everyone responds in some manner to some medicine at some time and at some dose. Over the past 6 years I've seen an array of idiosyncratic responses to th= e newer antidepressants. They are NOT all the same in their effects on individual clients. For example, paroxetine inhibits orgasm for about 35= % of men and women yet I know a few men who tripled their baseline rate of sexual activity on this medicine (and had orgasms doing it). Sertraline inhibits dopamine reuptake in many people and may cause irritability for some but not all people. Nefazodone "weirds out" some people but not others. Many people appear to have discomfort with venlafaxine but some = of my clients are dramatically better taking it and have no side effects. = Bupropion for some people cuts social irritability and improves their response to methylphenidate, allowing them to take lower doses. = The point is that lumping a group of people with mixed enzyme systems wil= l lower estimates of clinical effectiveness. This methodological problem makes it remarkable that we ever get ANY treatment effect beyond placebo contributions. Our empirical faith for 3 decades has been that of randomized subject assignment, that averages represent Platonic truths, and that individual quirks in response are only that, "quirks" of no interest destined for th= e error bucket. We also assumed that depression and anxiety are so fundamental and our medicines so powerful, that we are all alike in our biology for both symptoms and for responding to antidepressants. = However, our "equal genes assumption" is no longer tenable and we must examine the implications that are already recognized by family practitioners when they choose an antidepressant on the basis of the client's having blood relatives who had similar symptoms and responded we= ll to a particular medicine. "Error" is not a prankster or a demon but a treatment effect and tells us important things about the mix of a treatme= nt with a particular client at a particular time. We now have technology that allows us the option of recognizing genetic -= -- as tuned by environmental circumstances --- contributions to the treatmen= t choices that the client makes. Just as environment provides a cafeteria = of experiences for matching our particular dispositions, so might our treatment offerings to clients. Clinicians will be seen to offer "menus"= with items that are chosen or rejected by different clients who have different biochemical traits and different personal beliefs. Recognizing individual variability will allow some of us to consider ourselves as manipulating a trait or a gene that has continuity apart fro= m its interactive role in a specific person. This is nothing new --- some doctors treat kidneys, others treat sick people. However, genes and emotional distress are mosaic phenomena and we need to consider familial response to medicines, the kinds of transitions faced by our client, and their baseline skills for resilience and self management. We should consider de-emphasizing grouped data and the computer-convenien= t but meaningless meta analyses until we have some reasonable foundations t= o prescreen clients on the basis of their saliva or a nail clipping. = Likewise, a more individual approach in clinical practice would make publication of clinic data more difficult and raise costs to insurance companies, but could make our clients more enthused about what we do to them. James Brody 1262 West Bridge St. Spring City, PA 19475, USA. E-mail: jbrody@compuserve.com 4/19/99