From: IN%"SARCRNA@aol.com" 15-JUN-2005 15:02:27.31 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: re training sniffer animals In a message dated 6/15/2005 5:36:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, g.nijs@clo.fgov.be writes: I wondered if any one could provide me with some information about training schedules, practical problems or other useful information on the training and handling of 'sniffer animals' You may also try the scenting animals list which includes handlers training a variety of animals for scent work. Go to yahoo groups and look up scenting animals. If you have trouble signing on then email me privately @ _sarcrna@aol.com_ (mailto:sarcrna@aol.com) . Susan Martinez From: IN%"shelley_leah@yahoo.com" "shelley lower" 23-JUN-2005 10:32:21.20 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Introduction Hello all, My name is Shelley and I am currently interested in interacting in the most natural and stress free way with laboratory animals, specifically chimpanzees and monkeys. I am very interested in learning complex postures and facial expressions so as to communicate and understand these animals as much as possible. :) Shelley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From: IN%"reindoctor@yahoo.ca" "Michelle Drissler" 23-JUN-2005 11:27:35.49 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: to any french speakers Hello everyone, I need some help translating some terms into french for a questionnaire I'm doing on behaviour problems in horses. If you know the terminology and could help me out I would be very grateful. These are the terms I would like to translate: Weaves Stall Walks Cribs Wood Chews Stall Kicks Paws Kicks / Strikes Eats bedding or manure Threatens to bite people walking past the stall Resists having head touched Resists picking up feet Resists trailering Is easily spooked Crib Strap Kicking Chains Habituate Thanks, Michelle Drissler MSc Candidate Population Medicine University of Guelph, Ontario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From: IN%"susanna.lolli@unimi.it" "Susanna Lolli" 24-JUN-2005 06:55:34.97 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: behavioural test Hello all, my name is Susanna Lolli,I'm PhD student and I work in the Institute of = Zootecnica, Milan, Italy. My interest area is poultry (laying hens and = broiler) behaviour and welfare. I am currently interested in behavioural = tests, like tonic immobility test and emergency test. Bye bye! Ciao! Susanna. Dr.ssa Susanna Lolli Istituto di Zootecnica Facolt=E0 di Medicina Veterinaria Universit=E0 degli Studi di Milano Via Celoria, 10 20133 - Milano Tel. 02/50318050 Fax 02/50318030 From: IN%"rapport@comcast.net" "STEPHEN RAFE" 27-JUN-2005 10:42:28.71 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Of Possible Interest SHOULD WE DOMINATE OUR DOGS? OR LEAD THEM? =20 =A9 1987, 1997, 2005 -- Stephen C. Rafe. All Rights Reserved. =20 The concept of dominance and submissiveness in dogs has been debated = widely by behaviorists, ethologists, and trainers, throughout the world. = And there are almost as many definitions for each term as there are = participants in the debate.=20 =20 A Good Concept I support the concept, but prefer the term "subordinance" over = "submissiveness" because it conveys status or rank and is more clear-cut = than "submissiveness," which is an attitude and attitudes are more = vulnerable to interpretation. I believe we should examine a canine's = standing in the pack separately from the behaviors it shows in occupying = that position. Even simpler is to use the terms "higher-ranking = behavior" or "lower-ranking behavior" to discuss a dog's vocal and = non-verbal behavior during interactions and transactions with others -- = including humans.=20 =20 Hierarchical Drive Canines in their natural state live in packs and often engage in = inter-dependent and cooperative behavior when hunting. Many breeds of = domesticated dogs still carry a considerable amount of that innate drive = toward maintaining a hierarchy. In this role, either the pack retains = its stability, or individual members actively assert or forfeit rights. = The outcome gives them a higher status in the pecking order, or a lower = one, depending on the outcome.=20 =20 Domesticated dogs' relationships with others (humans and other animals) = constitute a hierarchy. Some owners find it difficult to figure out the = pack order when other species are involved, and some don't feel their = dog has a very strong hierarchical drive. They may be right -- at least = until behavior problems begin to occur.=20 =20 When first asked, most owners would not say their dogs' behavior = problems are dominance-based. They may not see a correlation between = what the dog is doing that they don't like, and what they, the owners, = do when they interact with the dog. Yet, when dogs have a clear-cut = understanding of who is in charge, their behavior problems are more = readily resolved.=20 =20 For example, the dog barks to be let out to relieve itself. The owner = acquiesces. Outcome? The dog learns that barking controls the owner's = behavior. Soon the dog tries barking when he wants to be fed. If the = owner complies, the dog learns once again that barking gets results. = Soon the owner is seeking behavioral advice for "the dog's problem" and = failing to recognize that his or her own behavior -- allowing the dog to = take a dominant role in the relationship by controlling the owner -- is = at the root of the problem. It's not a barking problem; it's a problem = of who's in charge.=20 =20 An Imbalance While what we are seeing is a dominance/subordinance imbalance, owners = are more accepting of the idea when it is presented to them as a problem = with "leadership and followership" -- a concept supported in the work of = Mech, Schenkel, and other researchers into canine behavior and ethology. = =20 Owners deal with this concept more readily than they can with the = possibility that they are being dominated by their animals. Furthermore, = this approach removes the stigma associated with the various = connotations of such words as "dominant," "submissive," or = "subordinate." =20 Leadership Skills Most important, an owner's ability to dominate his/her dog may have very = little to do with success in resolving most canine behavior problems. = However, leadership skills -- as dogs use them -- are another story.=20 =20 Dominance behaviors are implicitly threatening and their outcome depends = upon a submissive response. Acquiescence in one instance does not mean = the dominated dog will follow the other dog's leadership in future = encounters. By contrast, leadership behaviors are generally = non-threatening by nature and tend to enhance the likelihood of = compliance in future encounters. Both are established and maintained = through body language, vocalizations, behavioral constancy, and other = transactions. However, the outcomes are distinctly different.=20 =20 Dominance is expressed primarily through intimidation and has a = short-term effect that is closely linked to a specific situation or = situations. In effect, the dominated dog is only likely to carry out the = submissive behavior in the situations in which it was dominated. Even = then, the dog is likely to test the situation again before too long.)=20 =20 By contrast, leadership may include dominance behaviors, but is = established more through transactions that build trust, bonding, a = willingness to follow, and more. It tends to have a long-term effect and = is far more stable than dominance.=20 =20 In summary, I believe we should differentiate dominance from leadership, = and recognize that most dogs don't need to be dominated, but all dogs = need to be led.=20 =20 (end) =20 Stephen C. Rafe has been a canine-behavior practitioner since the early = 1980s and is a former member of the Animal Behavior Society. His work in = this field has been endorsed by leading professionals including Drs. M. = Fox, D. Mech, R. Lore, and J. P. Scott. He holds Bachelor of Science and = Master of Science degrees and is pursuing his doctorate. He has = completed more than six years of courses in psychology and learning and = has contributed to the research in the field of canine behavior. His = cure systems for dogs that fear gunfire, thunder or fireworks are = considered by professionals and owners to be the most effective = available and are recommended by Cornell University, among others. Steve = is the author of "Your Baby and Bowser," "Training Your Dog for = Birdwork," and numerous manuals and pamphlets on training and behavior. Behavior-based communications' coaching and counseling STEPHEN RAFE President Starfire-Rapport Communications P. O. Box 8241 Reston, VA 20195=20 Website: http://www.starfire-rapport.com Email: rapport@comcast.net=20 Fax: 703-391-1039 Tel: 703-391-1039=20 From: IN%"rapport@comcast.net" "STEPHEN RAFE" 29-JUN-2005 10:03:17.56 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Of Possible Interest - NEW SHOULD WE DOMINATE OUR DOGS? OR LEAD THEM? =20 =A9 1987, 1997, 2005 -- Stephen C. Rafe. All Rights Reserved. =20 The concept of dominance and submissiveness in dogs has been debated = widely by behaviorists, ethologists, and trainers, throughout the world. = And there are almost as many definitions for each term as there are = participants in the debate.=20 =20 A Good Concept I support the concept, but prefer the term "subordinance" over = "submissiveness" because it conveys status or rank and is more clear-cut = than "submissiveness," which is an attitude and attitudes are more = vulnerable to interpretation. I believe we should examine a canine's = standing in the pack separately from the behaviors it shows in occupying = that position. Even simpler is to use the terms "higher-ranking = behavior" or "lower-ranking behavior" to discuss a dog's vocal and = non-verbal behavior during interactions and transactions with others -- = including humans.=20 =20 Hierarchical Drive Canines in their natural state live in packs and often engage in = inter-dependent and cooperative behavior when hunting. Many breeds of = domesticated dogs still carry a considerable amount of that innate drive = toward maintaining a hierarchy. In this role, either the pack retains = its stability, or individual members actively assert or forfeit rights. = The outcome gives them a higher status in the pecking order, or a lower = one, depending on the outcome.=20 =20 Domesticated dogs' relationships with others (humans and other animals) = constitute a hierarchy. Some owners find it difficult to figure out the = pack order when other species are involved, and some don't feel their = dog has a very strong hierarchical drive. They may be right -- at least = until behavior problems begin to occur.=20 =20 When first asked, most owners would not say their dogs' behavior = problems are dominance-based. They may not see a correlation between = what the dog is doing that they don't like, and what they, the owners, = do when they interact with the dog. Yet, when dogs have a clear-cut = understanding of who is in charge, their behavior problems are more = readily resolved.=20 =20 For example, the dog barks to be let out to relieve itself. The owner = acquiesces. Outcome? The dog learns that barking controls the owner's = behavior. Soon the dog tries barking when he wants to be fed. If the = owner complies, the dog learns once again that barking gets results. = Soon the owner is seeking behavioral advice for "the dog's problem" and = failing to recognize that his or her own behavior -- allowing the dog to = take a dominant role in the relationship by controlling the owner -- is = at the root of the problem. It's not a barking problem; it's a problem = of who's in charge.=20 =20 An Imbalance While what we are seeing is a dominance/subordinance imbalance, owners = are more accepting of the idea when it is presented to them as a problem = with "leadership and followership" -- a concept supported in the work of = Mech, Schenkel, and other researchers into canine behavior and ethology. = =20 Owners deal with this concept more readily than they can with the = possibility that they are being dominated by their animals. Furthermore, = this approach removes the stigma associated with the various = connotations of such words as "dominant," "submissive," or = "subordinate." =20 Leadership Skills Most important, an owner's ability to dominate his/her dog may have very = little to do with success in resolving most canine behavior problems. = However, leadership skills -- as dogs use them -- are another story.=20 =20 Dominance behaviors are implicitly threatening and their outcome depends = upon a submissive response. Acquiescence in one instance does not mean = the dominated dog will follow the other dog's leadership in future = encounters. By contrast, leadership behaviors are generally = non-threatening by nature and tend to enhance the likelihood of = compliance in future encounters. Both are established and maintained = through body language, vocalizations, behavioral constancy, and other = transactions. However, the outcomes are distinctly different.=20 =20 Dominance is expressed primarily through intimidation and has a = short-term effect that is closely linked to a specific situation or = situations. In effect, the dominated dog is only likely to carry out the = submissive behavior in the situations in which it was dominated. Even = then, the dog is likely to test the situation again before too long.)=20 =20 By contrast, leadership may include dominance behaviors, but is = established more through transactions that build trust, bonding, a = willingness to follow, and more. It tends to have a long-term effect and = is far more stable than dominance.=20 =20 In summary, I believe we should differentiate dominance from leadership, = and recognize that most dogs don't need to be dominated, but all dogs = need to be led.=20 =20 v =20 Stephen C. Rafe has been a canine-behavior practitioner since the early = 1980s and is a former member of the Animal Behavior Society. His work in = this field has been endorsed by leading professionals including Drs. M. = Fox, D. Mech, R. Lore, and J. P. Scott. He holds Bachelor of Science and = Master of Science degrees and is pursuing his doctorate. He has = completed more than six years of courses in psychology and learning and = has contributed to the research in the field of canine behavior. His = cure systems for dogs that fear gunfire, thunder or fireworks are = considered by professionals and owners to be the most effective = available and are recommended by Cornell University, among others. Steve = is the author of "Your Baby and Bowser," "Training Your Dog for = Birdwork," and numerous manuals and pamphlets on training and behavior. From: IN%"whitebird@xtra.co.nz" "Whitebirds" 29-JUN-2005 15:30:40.66 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Of Possible Interest - NEW Hi Steve, I would ask why leadership or dominance has to be an issue here at all. Surely something like this can be addressed be 'training'. The dog behaves (barks), the owner responds (reinforces the barking) , the barking behaviour is strengthened. Sure this gives the dog 'control', just as allowing it to drag the owner on a lead does. In any situation where one animal (human or otherwise) controls the resource then that animal could be said to be 'dominant' in that situation, but isn't this complicating simple situations unnecessarily? Cheers Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: STEPHEN RAFE For example, the dog barks to be let out to relieve itself. The owner acquiesces. Outcome? The dog learns that barking controls the owner's behavior. Soon the dog tries barking when he wants to be fed. If the owner complies, the dog learns once again that barking gets results. Soon the owner is seeking behavioral advice for "the dog's problem" and failing to recognize that his or her own behavior -- allowing the dog to take a dominant role in the relationship by controlling the owner -- is at the root of the problem. It's not a barking problem; it's a problem of who's in charge.