From: IN%"billcamp@cdsnet.net" 1-MAR-1998 20:12:05.45 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: allelomimetic behavior George Quinlan wrote- For example, I hear anecdotes about draft horses > being more apt to "play in their water bucket," We studied a number of Belgians over a period of two years and I don't recall seeing this behavior in any of them. Sharon Crowell-Davis ********************************************** Sharon L. Crowell-Davis DVM, PhD Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Behaviorists College of Veterinary Medicine University of Georgia Athens, Georgia 30602 scrowell@calc.vet.uga.edu If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is the man who has so much as to be out of danger? T.H. Huxley On Elementary Instruction in Physiology From: IN%"dmills@dmu.ac.uk" "Daniel Mills" 2-MAR-1998 09:26:27.33 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: sonographic software Dear all. Can anyone help with the www addresses of places where I can find some software for analysing sonograms. I seem to remember seeing an address for some free stuff in an ASAB newsletter, but can't locate the edition concerned. Thanks in advance Daniel Mills dmills@dmu.ac.uk From: IN%"miklosa@ludens.elte.hu" 3-MAR-1998 03:00:28.39 To: IN%"APPLIED-ETHOLOGY@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: allelomimetic behaviour Dear all, I think the question is not so simple, if at one time animals seem to do the same thing, or behave in a similar way, this can be a result of different processes. Orginally this term was used when it supposed that the behaviour of one animal directly influenced the behavior of the others. Nowadays the field of social learning investigates whether is some cases animals learn from each other, and if they learn what exactly are they learning.Howevere, there is a lot of debate on this field and it is far from an easy subject to study. Some references: Galef, G. Social learning in animals, 1988 Whiten and Ham: in Advances of the Stusy of animal behaviour 1992 Papers by Cecilia Heyes 1993-96 Galef-Heyes (eds) 1996 The roots of culture Sorry, but I have the exatct references at home, if you or anyone need more please contact me directly. I hope this might help: ADAM MIKLOSI, Dept. of Ethology, Hungary From: IN%"atton@bios.tohoku.ac.jp" 3-MAR-1998 05:13:42.29 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Ingestive behaviour Dear all, I take part in this network. I studies ingestive behaviour in ca ttles. It is saied in many paper that animals have individual habit(induvidual diff erences), and this individuality is reflected to various behaviour. I'm thinking that ingestive behaviour reflects this individuality. Few man have same opinions, and tha p aper(published) is not yet seeing. Please, the man who has same opinion contact with me. In addition, I'm searching paper which is reported the transfer distance i n grazing time in cattles. Particularly, research time designed in the study is short period, and manag ement is strip grazing. If you are knowing the paper,please teach me. Asako Furuya. Tohoku University. japan From: IN%"a.kwint@noldus.nl" "Aurelia Kwint" 3-MAR-1998 05:17:08.48 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Reminder: Video Contest Please excuse cross-postings and my humble apologies if this message is off-topic. This is a reminder that entries for the video contest organized by Noldus Information Technology are accepted until 31 March 1998. Full details about the contest, including a contest form, can be found at http://www.noldus.com/news/contest.htm. If you do not have web access, feel free to email me to receive the contest form by fax. We look forward to your participation! Aurelia Kwint Consultant ______________________________________ Aurelia Kwint Consultant Noldus Information Technology b.v. Costerweg 5 P.O. Box 268 6700 AG Wageningen The Netherlands Phone: +31-(0)317-497677 Fax: +31-(0)317-424496 E-mail: a.kwint@noldus.nl WWW: http://www.noldus.com From: IN%"w.schoo@noldus.nl" "Wineke Schoo" 3-MAR-1998 05:27:42.08 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Measuring Behavior '98: Call for Abstracts Dear all, The following is a simple text version of the preliminary program and call for abstracts for the 2nd International Conference on Methods and Techniques in Behavioral Research. For more information and on-line registration please visit the conference Web site at http://www.noldus.com/events/mb98/mb98.htm. Please note that abstracts are due by 1 April 1998. Yours sincerely, Wineke Schoo Chair Local Organizing Committee ___________________________________ MEASURING BEHAVIOR '98 2nd International Conference on Methods and Techniques in Behavioral Research Groningen, The Netherlands 18-21 August 1998 Following the success of Measuring Behavior '96, we are pleased to announce that the 2nd International Conference on Methods and Techniques in Behavioral Research will be held at the University of Groningen, The Netherlands, 18-21 August 1998. Conference host prof. dr. J.M. Koolhaas and his fellow members of the program committee are pleased to offer you an exciting scientific, technical and social program. CONFERENCE PROGRAM Measuring Behavior '98 will offer a variety of ways to gather and exchange information. The conference program consists of oral presentations, poster sessions, demonstrations, scientific tours, technical training, user meetings and a pleasant social program. There will also be an exhibition of scientific books, instruments and software. And after the meeting, you can explore Groningen and surroundings on one of the post-conference excursions! INTEGRATION OF BEHAVIOR AND PHYSIOLOGY Measuring Behavior '98 will devote special attention to the integration of advanced behavioral research with physiological measurements. With 'integration' we refer to the measurement of behavioral characteristics combined with in vivo (non-invasive) recording of the dynamic changes in time of physiological parameters. Exciting new developments in both the behavioral and physiological sciences make such an integration feasible. The development of techniques and generic software tools can form a bridge between disciplines, which are often unaware of techniques already available in other fields. For example, data analysis methods stemming from ethology are now being used by applied psychologists, and path analysis techniques originally designed by entomologists are equally useful for behavioral pharmacologists studying rodents. Moreover, recent developments in radiotelemetry, brain imaging, chip technology and biosensor techniques originally used by physiologists are now being used for simultaneous recording of physiological processes and behavior. To this end, we hope that Measuring Behavior '98, just as in 1996, will serve as a common ground for crossfertilization of research disciplines. INVITED SPEAKERS with preliminary titles of lectures + Serge Daan (Department of Behavioral Biology, University of Groningen, Haren, The Netherlands). Data logging methods for the study of behavior and chronobiology. + Stephen Ellwood (Wildlife Conservation Research Unit, Department of Zoology, Oxford University, Oxford, UK). Remote video surveillance of wildlife behavior. + Laura Goodwin (Department of Education, University of Colorado, Denver, USA). Reliability of observational data: obtaining different results with different estimation techniques. + Judith Lauter (Department of Communication and Disorders, University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, USA). The "trimodal brain": integrating auditory neuroscience, brain imaging and the study of behavioral disorders. + Walter Tornatzky (Department of Psychology, Tufts University, Medford, USA). Using biotelemetry for integrated measurement of behavior and physiology in laboratory animals. + Hans Veenema & J.A.R.A.M. van Hooff (Ethology and Socio-ecology, Department of Comparative Physiology, Utrecht University, Utrecht, The Netherlands). Age-related changes in cognitive behavior in relation to rank: using touch-screen displays in large groups of primates. + Berry Wijers (Institute for Experimental and Occupational Psychology, University of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands). Using real-time neuroimaging techniques for the study of cognitive processes. SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM At a Measuring Behavior conference, all presentations deal with methods and techniques in behavioral research, with special emphasis on the methodological aspects. Validation of innovative techniques is an acceptable subject for a paper or poster as well. Since Measuring Behavior '98 will devote special attention to the integration of behavioral and physiological measurements, presentations on physiological techniques are most welcome. Note, however, that there must always be a clear link with behavior. The scientific program of Measuring Behavior '98 includes six symposia, with the following topics (preliminary, non-exhaustive listing): Behavioral Recording + Activity monitoring + Event recording, video coding and annotation + Locomotion and flight compensation + Video tracking + Radio tracking + Acoustical monitoring and analysis + Eye tracking + Automatic recognition of behavior patterns + Thermal imaging Behavioral Analysis + Sequential analysis and pattern detection + Reliability analysis + Track analysis + Integrated analysis of behavior and physiology + Visualization techniques Brain Imaging and Behavior + Positron Emission Tomography + Magnetic Resonance Imaging + EEG, etc. Biotelemetry and Behavior + Using telemetry to measure body temperature, blood pressure, ECG, actvity, etc. Behavior and Physiology + Data loggers and transponders + In vivo microdialysis + Biosensors Behavioral Models + New behavioral paradigms and tests + Simulation of behavior CONFERENCE VENUE Measuring Behavior '98 will be held at the Center for Biological Sciences of the University of Groningen in Haren, The Netherlands. The university, founded in 1614, is the second oldest of the country. Featuring a historic city center with great outdoor terraces and located close to the Wadden Sea, one of Europe's most beautiful wetland nature areas, Groningen is an excellent venue for our conference. PRESENTATION FORMATS Measuring Behavior '98 offers three types of presentations: + Oral papers - Oral presentations will be limited to invited speakers and delegates who submit abstracts of outstanding quality, on a subject of general interest to the conference participants. The duration of talks is 25 or 40 minutes (the Program Committee allocates the time per speaker) followed by discussion. + Poster presentations - Posters will be on display throughout the conference. During the official poster sessions, authors are expected to be present next to their poster in order to answer questions of fellow participants. The poster boards are 120 cm high and 100 cm wide. + Demonstrations - Scientists who have developed equipment or software which is relevant to the theme of the conference are invited demonstrate it at the meeting. Demonstrations by conference participants are accomodated in conjunction with the poster sessions. A demonstration can be combined with a poster or can stand by itself. The conference organizers can assist you to arrange the necessary computer, audio/visual and any other provisions. SUBMISSION OF ABSTRACTS Abstract (max. 500 words, including bibliographical references): a 3.5 inch PC or Macintosh diskette with the text of your abstract and two printed copies must be enclosed with this form. Please write your name and the file format on the diskette label. Files should be in WordPerfect, Word or plain ASCII text format. You can also submit your abstract via electronic mail and via the conference Web site (http://www.noldus.com/events/mb98/mb98.htm). PROGRAM COMMITTEE + Jaap Koolhaas, Department of Animal Physiology, University of Groningen, Haren, The Netherlands (chair) + Berry Spruijt, Animal Welfare Centre, Utrecht University, Utrecht, The Netherlands + Maria Boccia, Observational Methods Core, Frank Porter Graham Child Development Center, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, USA + William Bell, Department of Entomology, University of Kansas, Lawrence, USA + Bert Mulder, Institute for Experimental and Occupational Psychology, University of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands + Roger Bakeman, Department of Psychology, Georgia State University, Atlanta, USA + Lucas Noldus, Noldus Information Technology b.v., Wageningen, The Netherlands. IMPORTANT DATES 1 April 1998 Deadline for submission of abstracts 1 June 1998 Notification of acceptance of abstracts 15 June 1998 Deadline for early registration (reduced fee) 18 August 1998 Welcome reception 19-21 August 1998 Conference sessions 22 August 1998 Post-conference excursions CONFERENCE FEE Before 15 June 1998: Delegates: NLG 500 Students: NLG 250 After 15 June 1998: Delegates: NLG 600 Students: NLG 300 (Exchange rate: NLG 1,- = approx. US$ 0,50) MORE INFORMATION Measuring Behavior '98 Conference Secretariat P.O. Box 268 6700 AG Wageningen The Netherlands Phone: +31-317-497677 Fax: +31-317-424496 E-mail: mb98@noldus.nl Web: http://www.noldus.com/events/mb98/mb98.htm ______________________________________ Noldus Information Technology b.v. Costerweg 5 P.O. Box 268 6700 AG Wageningen The Netherlands Phone: +31-(0)317-497677 Fax: +31-(0)317-424496 E-mail: w.schoo@noldus.nl WWW: http://www.noldus.com Sign up for Measuring Behavior '98, the 2nd International Conference on Methods and Techniques in Behavioral Research! See http://www.noldus.com/events/mb98/mb98.htm for details. Join Noldus Forum, the discussion list for users of Noldus products! To subscribe, send a message to listserver@noldus.nl with the contents: SUBSCRIBE NOLDUS-FORUM EXIT From: IN%"dorothy.mckeegan@bbsrc.ac.uk" "dorothy.mckeegan" 3-MAR-1998 05:57:46.44 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Chronic infusion of oestradiol and progesterone Dear list, I am a PhD student looking at the hormonal basis of behaviour in sexually maturing laying hens, with particular emphasis on feather pecking and cannibalism. I have been attempting to alter the hormonal state of immature birds by chronic infusion of oestradiol and progesterone, to investigate effects on behaviour. My aim is to increase plasma levels of progesterone and oestradiol to levels normally seen at the onset of lay, for 4-6 weeks. So far I have used silastic implants and slow release pellets, both without success. I can't use injections because of the large number of birds and the timescale. Does anyone have any advice? Thanks Dorothy McKeegan Environment and Welfare Division Roslin Institute Roslin Midlothian UK From: IN%"delago@zoology.kfunigraz.ac.at" "Antonia Delago" 3-MAR-1998 10:42:29.57 To: IN%"dorothy.mckeegan@bbsrc.ac.uk" "dorothy.mckeegan" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Etho" Subj: RE: Chronic infusion of oestradiol and progesterone > Dear list, > > I am a PhD student looking at the hormonal basis of behaviour in sexually > maturing laying hens, with particular emphasis on feather pecking and > cannibalism. I have been attempting to alter the hormonal state of immature > birds by chronic infusion of oestradiol and progesterone, to investigate > effects on behaviour. My aim is to increase plasma levels of progesterone and > oestradiol to levels normally seen at the onset of lay, for 4-6 weeks. So far > I have used silastic implants and slow release pellets, both without success. > I can't use injections because of the large number of birds and the timescale. > > Does anyone have any advice? Dorothy, I don't know exactly what you mean by release pellets but I did some chronic infusion studies on crustaceans and I used alza osmotic minipumps- they are made for chronic infusions in vertebrates, so not even quite the best thing for water living invertebrates, but still they did work and I had no problems. The company actually does have a homepage at: http://www.alza.com/alzet/default.htm Regards, Antonia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Discovery is to see what everybody sees and think what nobody has thought" [] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antonia Delago delago@zoology.kfunigraz.ac.at University of Graz Dept.Zoology, Div.Neuroethology Universitaetsplatz 2 A-8010 Graz Tel.:+43 (316) 380 8740, [secretary: 43 (316) 380 5597] Fax:+43 (316) 380 9875 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"NZPZR009@SIVM.SI.EDU" "Kathy Carlstead" 3-MAR-1998 14:12:37.86 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Position Announcement *** Resending note of 03/03/98 14:18 Smithsonian Job Announcement (Number 98SP-1068) The Department of Zoological Research of the National Zoological Park (Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC) has a non-federal job opening for a Research Biologist/Zoologist. The position is not-to-exceed 5 years and has a salary of $47,066 per year. The application period is open from 3 March to 13 April 1998. Duties: The incumbent performs theoretical or applied research in one of three areas, Animal Behavior, Molecular Genetics, or Comparative Animal Nutrition and Energetics. The incumbent leads a committee to coordinate the National Zoological Park's Latino Initiative to enhance professional opportunities in science. The incumbent prepares and submits grant proposals for funding research, publishes findings in the area of expertise, and participates in public education programs through the Zoo's Science Gallery. Qualifications: Candidates must meet the basic requirement of successful completion of a full 4-year course of study in an accredited college or university leading to a bachelors degree of which included the following courses: For Biologist, a degree in biological sciences, agriculture, natural resource management, chemistry, or related disciplines appropriate to the position. For Zoologist, a degree in zoology, or related discipline or field of science which includes at least 20 semester hours in zoology and related animal sciences. In addition to meeting the basic requirements, applicants must have a Ph.D. or equivalent doctoral degree. Graduate experience must have been in a field of study that provided the knowledge, skills and abilities necessary to do the work. Selective Factors (applicant must meet these): 1) Knowledge of the theories and concepts related to behavioral ecology, ethology, population biology, molecular g enetics, animal nutrition, and/or conservation biology; 2) Skill in conducting research; 3) Ability to write competitive research proposals; 4) Ability to communicate in Spanish Quality Ranking Factors (used in rating applicants): 1) Skill in writing (i.e. publications for technical and popular journals); 2) Skill in communication (scientific and public presentations); 3) Ability to interact and direct research activities of students; 4) Skill in managing people; 5) Ability to obtain grants for public education programs. For information on how to apply for this position please contact Linda Foster, Department of Zoological Research, National Zoological Park, Washington, DC, 20008; 202 673-4825 (voice), 202 673-4686(fax), lfoster@nzp.si.edu (email). -------------------------------------------------------------- Abigail Sherr Assistant GLT Studbook Keeper Tel: (202) 673 4814 Fax: (202) 673 4686 email:asherr@nzp.si.edu E N D O F N O T E From: IN%"F.Toates@open.ac.uk" "F.Toates (Fred Toates)" 4-MAR-1998 07:19:38.85 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: stereotypy development Dear all, Does anyone know anything about developmental factors and stereotypies, i.e. differences in tendency over the age-span? I know that I have seen something out there about it. I might even have written about it myself and be unable to recall it! Any help would be much appreciated. Regards, Fred (Toates) From: IN%"alp18@cus.cam.ac.uk" 4-MAR-1998 08:21:09.75 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Anthrozoos 10(4) Anthrozoos A Multidisciplinary Journal of the Interactions of People and Animals =A9 Delta Society ISSN 0892-7936 Published in association with the International Association of Human-Animal Interaction Organizations. Contents Volume 10 (4) 1997 Out now *Commentary* Advertising Animal Protection Dena M. Jones pp.151-159 A Woman Veterinary Student in the 50s: The View from the Approaching Millenn= ium Elizabeth Atwood Lawrence pp.160-169 Childhood Cruelty to Animals: Assessing Cruelty Dimensions and Motivations =46rank R. Ascione, Teresa M. Thompson and Tracy Black pp.170-177. Commentary on Childhood Cruelty to Animals: Assessing Cruelty Dimensions and Motivations. 1. Barbara W. Boat pp.178-179 Commentary on Childhood Cruelty to Animals: Assessing Cruelty Dimensions and Motivations. 2. J.S.J. 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Podberscek 'We're going to laugh and play= , University of Cambridge and fill the house with Department of Clinical Veterinary Medicine children' Dangerous Women Madingley Road Cambridge CB3 OES UK ph: (01223) 33 0846 fax: (01223) 33 0886 e-mail: alp18@cus.cam.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: IN%"joseph.garner@New.oxford.ac.uk" "Joseph Garner" 4-MAR-1998 08:49:03.70 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: stereotypy development Hi Fred, there's a whole wealth of stuff out there... Here's some of the most interesting. The John Fentress reference (on the role of central control in the development of stereotypy) that might be right up your street bearing in mind the talk you gave at the ISAE winter metting. Mason & Turner's review, ditto. E-mail me if you want any more... Cheers, Joe. [1] J. J. Cooper and C. J. Nicol, "Stereotypic Behavior Affects Environmental Preference In Bank Voles, Clethrionomys-Glareolus," Animal Behaviour, vol. 41, pp. 971-977, 1991. [2] J. J. Cooper, F. Odberg, and C. J. Nicol, "Limitations On the Effectiveness Of Environmental Improvement In Reducing Stereotypic Behavior In Bank Voles (Clethrionomys-Glareolus)," Applied Animal Behaviour Science, vol. 48, pp. 237-248, 1996. [3] J. C. Fentress, "Dynamic boundaries of patterned behaviour: interaction and self-organisation," in Perspectives in ethology, vol. 1, P. P. G. Bateson and R. A. Hinde, Eds. New York: Plenum Press, 1976, pp. 155-224. [4] D. Kennes, F. O. Odberg, Y. Bouquet, and P. H. Derycke, "Changes In Naloxone and Haloperidol Effects During the Development Of Captivity-Induced Jumping Stereotypy In Bank Voles," European Journal Of Pharmacology, vol. 153, pp. 19-24, 1988. [5] G. J. Mason, "Stereotypies - a Critical-Review," Animal Behaviour, vol. 41, pp. 1015-1037, 1991. [6] G. J. Mason, "Age and Context Affect the Stereotypies Of Caged Mink," Behaviour, vol. 127, pp. 191-229, 1993. [7] G. J. Mason and M. A. Turner, "Mechanisms involved in the development and control of stereotypies," in Persepctives in ethology, vol. 10, P. P. G. Bateson, P. H. Klopfer, and N. S. Thompson, Eds. New York and London: Plenum Press, 1993, pp. 53-85. [8] F. O. Odberg, "The Jumping Stereotypy In the Bank Vole (Clethrionomys-Glareolus)," Biology Of Behaviour, vol. 11, pp. 130-143, 1986. [9] F. O. Odberg, "The Influence Of Cage Size and Environmental Enrichment On the Development Of Stereotypies In Bank Voles (Clethrionomys-Glareolus)," Behavioural Processes, vol. 14, pp. 155-173, 1987. Dear all, Does anyone know anything about developmental factors and stereotypies, i.e. differences in tendency over the age-span? I know that I have seen something out there about it. I might even have written about it myself and be unable to recall it! Any help would be much appreciated. Regards, Fred (Toates) From: IN%"joseph.garner@New.oxford.ac.uk" "Joseph Garner" 4-MAR-1998 12:28:50.24 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: More stereotypy development.. Hi Fred, (again) It just occured to me that I missed off some great experiments by Hanno Wurbel. I've got a copy of his thesis here, but I know that at least one of the experiments is published, I just can't remember where off the top of my head. Anyway, he found that interactions between strain- dependent developmental factors, age at weaning and the environment produced marked differences in the form an incidence of stereotypy in lab mice. Cheers Joe From: IN%"marithe@mandic.com.br" "maria thereza amaral" 4-MAR-1998 13:54:06.90 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: mind > I am a brasilian veterinarian and I am studying about dog's >behavior. I would like to know if you know any books or articles's= periodics >about mind's physiology, or behavior' physiology , in dog's or in general.= =20 > Thanks,=20 > > > =20 > maria thereza cera galv=E3o do amaral=09 veterin=E1ria homeopata ( homeopath veterinarian ) S=E3o Paulo - Brasil ( Brazil ) marithe@mandic.com.br http://pessoal.mandic.com.br/marithe/mth33.htm Por favor, confirme o recebimento deste e-mail. From: IN%"ragtuswa@eden.rutgers.edu" "ult.cornboy" 4-MAR-1998 15:42:11.66 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Hello everyone, The welcome I received instructed me to introduce myself so here I am. My name is Michael and I'm a third year student at Cook College- Rutgers University in New Jersey pursuing a Bachelor's in Animal Science. I'm planing to attend grad school in the area of Animal behavior. I would especially like to focus on environmental enrichment, particularly with its applications in zoo populations. Currently, I'm looking for internships for the coming summer within the area of general behavioral research. If anyone has any good programs, please send them along. I'll be looking foward to participating in future discussions. 'til then, michael toscano ragtuswa@eden.rutgers.edu From: IN%"eviwai@wild.unizh.ch" "Eva Waiblinger" 5-MAR-1998 06:23:29.84 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: More stereotypy development... > It just occured to me that I missed off some great experiments by > Hanno Wurbel. I've got a copy of his thesis here, but I know that at least > one of the experiments is published, I just can't remember where off the top > of my head. Anyway, he found that interactions between strain- dependent > developmental factors, age at weaning and the environment produced marked > differences in the form an incidence of stereotypy in lab mice. > Cheers > > Joe > Here's some more information on Hanno's publications: Wurbel, H., Stauffacher, M. and Von Holst, D. (1996): Stereotypies in Laboratory Mice - Quantitative and Qualitative Description of the Ontogeny of "Wire-Gnawing" and "Jumping" in Zur:ICR and Zur:ICR nu; Ethology 102: 371-385 and Wurbel, H and Stauffacher, M (1996): Prevention of Stereotypy in Laboratory Mice: Effects on Stress Physiology and Behaviour; Physiology and Behaviour 59, No.6, 1163-1170 Would you be interested in publications on the development of digging and wire-gnawing stereotypies in gerbils, too (by Christoph Wiedenmayer, University of Zurich, Dept of Etholgy and Wildlife Research, now at Columbia University)? Just tell me and I'll get you some more information - it's the topic I'm working on now. Hope that helped Yours Eva Waiblinger My adress: Eva Waiblinger Dept. of Animal Behaviour (formerly Etholgy and Wildlife Research) Winterthurerstr. 190 CH-8057 Zurich Switzerland e-mail: eviwai@wild.unizh.ch tel: 0041 1 635 52 85 fax: 0041 1 635 54 90 From: IN%"gother@infonie.fr" "gother" 6-MAR-1998 11:14:06.52 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: about assista,ce dogs Message en plusieurs parties et au format MIME. --Boundary_(ID_o8nkcOmDIbXA6fQ92gIXpQ) Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_7RnYJffSJNfq+qaMSqbnOQ)" --Boundary_(ID_7RnYJffSJNfq+qaMSqbnOQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Hello,=20 =20 My name is Stephane REINE, I am a french veterinary student. i write a = thesis about dogs behaviour. 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My name is Stephane REINE, I am a = french veterinary=20 student. i write a thesis about dogs behaviour. I work with ANECAH, = equivalrnt=20 to C.C.I. in France and the CESECAH another organization which try to = select=20 assistance dogs.
 
We note that many dogs have behaviour = problems when=20 we change their environment. First the dogs growth in a family where = they=20 receive the basic training. Then they continue the training in ANECAH's = kennels=20 during 6 mounth before we give they to handicaped persons. Each time, = the new=20 environment causes troubles to the dogs.
 
My problem is that, in France, it = exists only a few=20 publications or books about this subject. So, I hope that you could help = me. May=20 be could you give me some reference or tell me about your own experience = of=20 these problems.
 
I am very sorry for my bad = english.
 
Thank you for your answer.
  
Stephane REINE

Vous pouvez me joindre aux adresses = suivantes=20 :
gother@infonie.fr
gother01@infonie.fr
stephane_reine@yahoo.com
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IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Applied-ethology: perceived predation risk Hello fellow list members!! I am looking for references to papers on perceived predation risk that address this issue; What researchers may think prey consider 'predatory risk' may not be what prey actually consider predatory risk themselves, especially for small mammals that have a very different vantage point than we do and likely a very different perception or ability to perceive such 'risk'. There are many theories about prey behavior such as foraging or habitat use altering due to lowered or heightened predation risk .... I am curious as to how much we really know about prey sensing such changes in predatory risk or risk of predation in general. Thank you in advance, Kara Vlasman Department of Zoology University of Guelph kvlasman@uoguelph.ca From: IN%"deed@cr-npdc.fr" "Direction Environnement Energie =?UNKNOWN?Q?D=E9chets?=" 9-MAR-1998 04:11:38.11 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: luminous pollution Hi everyone, I'm looking for informations about the impact of night lighting on animal and plants. We know that night lighting can disturb biological rhythms by disturbing internal clocks and hormonal processes. Some species are attracted by night lighting, which often turns into deadly traps (especially for insects), and some other are repulsed by it (species living in hollows in ground, holes in trees or under barks). Some birds seem to desert enlightened areas. For example, headlights can explain the disappearing of the Stone-Curlew (Burbinus oedicnemus). Many mammals are nocturnal and try to move around in dark areas, when it is possible. Light beams and alignments of street lamps make real barriers in the air and on the floor, so that territories are often broken up. I know there are many examples about night lighting impacts, but I need really exact facts (examples, references, numbers,... ). Feel free to send any informations. Thanks in advance. Bruno Devulder PS: For other informations about luminous pollution : deed@cr-npdc.fr From: IN%"deed@cr-npdc.fr" "Direction Environnement Energie =?UNKNOWN?Q?D=E9chets?=" 9-MAR-1998 04:22:23.44 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: luminous pollution Hi everyone, I'm looking for informations about the impact of night lighting on animal and plants. We know that night lighting can disturb biological rhythms by disturbing internal clocks and hormonal processes. Some species are attracted by night lighting, which often turns into deadly traps (especially for insects), and some other are repulsed by it (species living in hollows in ground, holes in trees or under barks). Some birds seem to desert enlightened areas. For example, headlights can explain the disappearing of the Stone-Curlew (Burbinus oedicnemus). Many mammals are nocturnal and try to move around in dark areas, when it is possible. Light beams and alignments of street lamps make real barriers in the air and on the floor, so that territories are often broken up. I know there are many examples about night lighting impacts, but I need really exact facts (examples, references, numbers,... ). Feel free to send any informations. Thanks in advance. Bruno Devulder PS: For other informations about luminous pollution : deed@cr-npdc.fr From: IN%"dorothy.mckeegan@bbsrc.ac.uk" "dorothy.mckeegan" 9-MAR-1998 05:35:32.58 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Thanks! Dear list Thanks to everyone who replied to my query about chronic infusion of steroids, I received many useful suggestions. Dorothy McKeegan Environment and Welfare Division Roslin Institute (Edinburgh) Roslin Midlothian UK From: IN%"dynavet@nat.fr" "Xavier Aubry" 9-MAR-1998 07:40:56.15 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Behaviour Seminar Announcement Dear colleagues, The annual ethology course of the G.E.C.A.F., Groupe d'Etudes du Comportement des Animaux Familiers (French Companion Animal Behaviour Therapy Study Group) will be held in Vichy, France, in May 1998. For the first year, this seminar wil benefit from a simultaneous translation in english (a minimum of 25 non-french speaking person is requested). This seminar will include various topics related to canine and feline behaviour, with a special workshop dedicated to field training with (real !) dogs. The seminar will take place in the lovely city of Vichy, very centrally located, only 35 min. from the international airport of Clermont-Ferrand / Aulnat. We have a special agreement with Regional Airlines, with 30% discounts on international flights. Direct flights are available from the following cities : Amsterdam, Düsseldorf, Geneva, Madrid, Milano Malpensa, Torino. Further details and a complete programme are available in the attachment. If you have any queries regarding this meeting, please contact Xavier Aubry 51, rue Chappe 63100 Clermont-Ferrand France or email dynavet@nat.fr With best regards, Xavier Aubry veterinarian tel +33 4 73 42 25 50 fax + 33 4 73 42 25 55 GECAF/ ESVCE 5th BEHAVIOUR SEMINAR Wednesday 20th may 1998 12 h 30 Reception, registration 15h à 16h · Introduction of speakers · Introduction of sponsors and proceedings 16h à 17h · Development of puppies C.Béata Emotional structuration Attachment, Detachment Sociabilisation, Socialisation Break 17h30 à 19h30 · Communication between dogs E.Gaultier Behavioural sequences Dominance, submission and hierarchy Juveniles, pre-puberal and puberal behaviours Theory of communication · Inserting the dog in a family M.Rossignol Prevention Training Thursday 21st may 1998 9h à 10h · Information processing P.Pageat and E.Gaultier 10h à 11h · General psychopathology P.Pageat and E.Gaultier Pause 11h30 à 12h · ADHD syndrome T.Paris Dinner 21h00 · Phobias C.Arpaillange · Intermittent and paroxysmal anxiety J.Dehasse · Permanent anxiety M.Bourdin Friday 22nd Mai 1998 8h30 à 10h · Depressions G.Müller · Deprivation syndrome V.Dramard Break 10h30 à 12h · Separation anxiety G.Müller · Dominance-related disorders M.Bourdin 20h45 · Managing your consultation C.Béata et T.Paris Semiology Therapeutic alliance Dîner de Gala Saturday 23rd may 1998 - Feline Ethology Day 8h30 à 10h · Cat development C.Arpaillange · Communication and territory J.Dehasse · Anxiety P.Pageat Break 10h30 à 12h · Feeding behaviour problems M.Bourdin · Depression V.Dramard · Semiology J.Dehasse 17h30 à 19h30 · Workshops (small groups) Dinner 20h30 à 22h00 · Workshops Sunday 24th may 1998 - Dog Training Day 8h30 à 12h · Field workshop with dogs (extra-charge 500 FRF) Registration Registration cost (inc. VAT) 2000 FRF CNVSPA member 1700 FRF GECAF member 1800 FRF GERC member * 1800 FRF * please substantiate your status Extra-charge (sun. field workshop) 500 FRF Registration includes : · scientific program · proceedings · social programme (free of charge) · lunches on 21,22, 23 (free of charge) Extra registration for gala dinner · 200 FF x nb of accompanying persons Proceedings only, available exclusively in french 400 FRF inc. VAT (+ mailing costs) please contact CNVSPA Registration Form Dr ................................ - registration cost ......FRF - field workshop (optional) 500 FRF - extra registration for gala ... x 200 = ...... FRF I enclose a cheque / eurocheque : for FRF ........................ made payable to C.N.V.S.P.A.-GECAF N.B. : An invoice will be sent to you upon reception of payment To be sent back to C.N.V.S.P.A. 40, rue de Berri 75 008 Paris France tél : +33 1 53 83 91 60 fax : +33 1 53 83 91 69 Accommodation Accommodation must be booked directly with the Palais des Congrès (Central) - by phone +33 4 73 98 71 94 - by fax +33 4 70 31 06 00 - by mail, Centrale de réservation 19, rue du Parc 03204 Vichy Cedex France Caution : we recommend you to book your accommodation as soon as possible (in any case, before 20th April) Translation Lectures will be given in french. If a minimum of 25 non french-speaking persons register, simultaneous translation will be provided. If you would like to benefit from simultaneous translation in english, please register, we will send you a note one month before the meeting to confirm availability of the simultaneous translation. Access by motorway A71 from Paris A72 from Lyon A75 from Montpellier by train (Vichy railway station) 6 direct connections daily 2h50 from Paris 2h15 from Lyon connections for Marseille, Bordeaux and Nantes by plane (Clermont-Ferrand / Aulnat airport) 35 min. from Vichy by road 25 direct national and international flights daily 5th GECAF / ESVCE BEHAVIOUR SEMINAR French Companion Animal Study Group VICHY From wednesday 20th may to sunday 24th may 1998 Palais des Congrès-Opéra 5, rue du Casino BP2805 03208 Vichy Cedex France From: IN%"abcdog@iinet.net.au" "abcdog" 9-MAR-1998 18:12:54.70 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: pregnant women Hi I had a few problems getting through, possibly my fault, with the wrong address. A question to all out there. I have read somewhere, that many male dogs can know by scent that a woman is pregnant, and sometimes become over-protective with, and around her, to the point that sometimes they can become very aggressive. Does anyone have any information on this please. Rosalie Skewes ABC Dog Training & Supplies 4 Sturt Place Padbury 6025 Western Australia From: IN%"kitana@c-zone.net" "Kitana" 9-MAR-1998 21:26:21.38 To: IN%"abcdog@iinet.net.au" "'abcdog'", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women Well just outa experince of owning, breeding and showing dogs, I have = never seen that problem. Though they will take femine napkins out of the = trash and tear them up. -Lyssa -----Original Message----- From: abcdog [SMTP:abcdog@iinet.net.au] Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 4:14 PM To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Subject: pregnant women Hi I had a few problems getting through, possibly my fault, with the wrong = address. A question to all out there. I have read somewhere, that many male dogs can know by scent that a = woman is pregnant, and sometimes become over-protective with, and around her, to = the point that sometimes they can become very aggressive. Does anyone have any information on this please. Rosalie Skewes ABC Dog Training & Supplies 4 Sturt Place Padbury 6025 Western Australia=20 From: IN%"M.Kiley-Worthington@exeter.ac.uk" "room 016 wsl-Animal behaviour" 10-MAR-1998 06:18:50.86 To: IN%"suemcd@vet.upenn.edu" "Sue McDonnell" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Draft Horses On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:58:14 -0500 Sue McDonnell wrote: > From: Sue McDonnell > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:58:14 -0500 > Subject: Draft Horses > To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca > > > > Dear Group, > > Can anyone direct me to studies or references > comparing normal and abnormal behavior of > draft (heavy) horses, ponies, and light horses. > For example, I hear anecdotes about draft horses > being more apt to "play in their water bucket," > or more or less apt to develop "bad habis" than > light horses or ponies. > > Perhaps Dr. Andrew Fraser is on this list, any > ideas or quotable wisdom? > > Sue > Sue M. McDonnell, PhD > Equine Behavior Lab at New Bolton Center > University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine > 382 West Street Road > Kennett Square, PA 19348 > > 610-444-5800 X2221 > Fax 610-444-0829 > > suemcd@vet.upenn.edu **************************************************************************** Dept. of Psychology Washington Singer Labs Room No: 016 University of Exeter Perry Road Exeter EX4 4QG, UK FAX +44 1392 264623 The problem with these types of studies as they do not usually take into account the lifetime experiences of the different breeds before making folk beleif assumptions, something many scientists are apt to do I am afraid! I have recently had a hunt through relevant literature for my book Equine Welfare ( J.A.Allen 12997) and did not find anything convincing about abnormal behaviours or stereotypies that could be seriously related to breed, or for that matter learning etc etc. If you do find something I would be interested. Yes the world is full of opinions, particularly in relation to horses, and scientists are only too human! Marthe Kiley-Worthington **************************************************************************** From: IN%"M.Kiley-Worthington@exeter.ac.uk" "room 016 wsl-Animal behaviour" 10-MAR-1998 06:23:13.04 To: IN%"prato@imiucca.csi.unimi.it" "Emanuela Prato Previde" CC: IN%"nick.green@bbc.co.uk" "Nick Green-SCIENCE", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied Ethology'" Subj: RE: animals and emotions **************************************************************************** Dept. of Psychology Washington Singer Labs Room No: 016 University of Exeter Perry Road Exeter EX4 4QG, UK FAX +44 1392 264623 **************************************************************************** Try reading alittle phenomenology with your approach to emotions, but it is not necessary to be defetist. I think you will have more help from philosophers opn this issue than scientsits who take the approach given by one reply at least! it is foolish however, if you are interested in scientce and knowledge, to ignore it as most do, it would seem to be irrational for a starte. Masson & McCarthy are useful & have references, Nagel 1976 what it is to be a bat benchmark paper, but defeatist, etc, plenty more. I have just wwritten a chapter in a recent book about it, so have a few more refs if interested. Marthe Kiley-Worthington From: IN%"pherosynthese@wanadoo.fr" 10-MAR-1998 10:30:16.35 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "applied ethology" CC: Subj: text revision As a French veterinary research team, we are searching for an English-speaking veterinarian or student who could revise our papers at a good price on an occasional basis. Please introduce yourself by return. -- Yann TESSIER, DVM PHEROSYNTHESE Le Rieu Neuf F-84490 SAINT SATURNIN D'APT Tel : +33 490 75 57 05 Fax : +33 490 75 57 06 From: IN%"prato@imiucca.csi.unimi.it" 10-MAR-1998 11:23:49.45 To: IN%"M.Kiley-Worthington@exeter.ac.uk" "room 016 wsl-Animal behaviour" CC: IN%"nick.green@bbc.co.uk" "Nick Green-SCIENCE", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied Ethology'" Subj: RE: animals and emotions On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:26:02 +0000 (GMT) you wrote: >Try reading a little phenomenology with your approach to emotions, but it >is not necessary to be defetist. I think >you will have more help from philosophers opn this issue than scientsits >who take the approach given by one >reply at least! it is foolish however, if you are interested in scientce >and knowledge, to ignore it as most do, it >would seem to be irrational for a starte. Masson & McCarthy are useful & >have references, Nagel 1976 what it is >to be a bat benchmark paper, but defeatist, etc, plenty more. I have just >wwritten a chapter in a recent book about >it, so have a few more refs if interested. > Marthe Kiley-Worthington ******************************************************************************* Dear Marthe Kiley-Worthington, I must confess I have problems to even understand what you meant with your message. I just wrote that many people are interested in the problem of emotions and their evolution and that working on this topic is not just soft science. Furthermore I added that emotions are something difficult to deal with for several reasons. Then I cited Darwin's book as an interesting one.So were is the problem? It is very difficult for me to understand the sense of your message and I want to assume that you just misundersood what I said.In any case philosophers have interesting things to say to scientists and viceversa (and not only on this topic). I know about Masson & McCarthy and I have a good knowledge of the work by Nagel. If my memory is still good enough the tile is "What it is like to be a bat" and the date is 1974. Of course I will appreciate reading what you wrote on this topic: may be you have something new to say. My address is reported below. As far as your message is concerned, I would suggest you reformulate your comments in a more clear, and also less aggressive way if you have any interest in communicating with me. Otherwise I see no reason to be in touch and I wish you all the best for your future work. Regards, Emanuela Prato Previde Emanuela Prato Previde Assistant Professor Istituto di Psicologia Facolta' di Medicina e Chirurgia Universita' di Milano Via T. Pini, 1 20134 Milano Voice: (39)(2) 21210.201 Fax: (39)(2) 2641.3376 Email: prato@imiucca.csi.unimi.it From: IN%"jacq.mitchell@mailexcite.com" "jacquin SL mitchell" 10-MAR-1998 12:37:58.74 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ethology newsgroup" CC: Subj: re:Pregnant Women We were taught that when a dog appears protective of a person-ie acts aggressively towards someone or something approaching the person and dog-he or she is actually relying on the person(usually regarded as the dog as the 'Pack alpha') to back him up ,should a fight occur. In our vet clinic we often find it easier to handle these dogs when separated from their owners.Some of course become fear biters at this point! Two of our nurses have left to have babies in the lasdt couple of years-one has 2 bearded collies-one of whom became 'protective' of her.The othr has a staffi-labx which developed a mild separation anxiety.Could these behavioural 'problems' be drawn from the dogs sensing the anxiety experienced during the pregnancy rather than a scent from the pregnancy itsel.Both dogs were neutered males and both woman would have been the 'pack leaders' --- jacq (quinell:o) Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From: IN%"rudy.demeester@ping.be" "De Meester" 10-MAR-1998 12:38:27.90 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: pregnant woman. Rudy De Meester dr. med. vet. sint anna 100 9220 Hamme Belgium rudy.demeester@ping.be I think dogs have a pretty good idea on the hormonal status of their female owners. But I don't know if they " smell" that she's pregnant and give it an humane interpretation other than just a different odour combined with that state. I'd rather think that at the end of the pregnancy most women behave less active or at least in another way than they normally do. This could induce a change in hiërarchy that can be the reason why a dog starts a protective agression to strangers. From: IN%"joseph.stookey@sask.usask.ca" 10-MAR-1998 17:14:09.94 To: IN%"rudy.demeester@ping.be" "De Meester" CC: IN%"STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: pregnant woman. On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, De Meester wrote: > Rudy De Meester dr. med. vet. > sint anna 100 9220 Hamme > Belgium > rudy.demeester@ping.be >=20 > I think dogs have a pretty good idea on the hormonal status of their fema= le > owners.=20 > But I don't know if they " smell" that she's pregnant and give it an huma= ne > interpretation other than just a different odour combined with that state= =2E > I'd rather think that at the end of the pregnancy most women behave less > active or at least in another way than they normally do. This could induc= e > a change in hi=EBrarchy that can be the reason why a dog starts a protect= ive > agression to strangers.=20 >=20 I have no idea if dogs can "smell" (detect) a woman's pregnancy or if a dog changes its behaviour depending upon the pregnancy status of its owner, but it seems to me that a likely start in answering that question would be in determining whether dogs or wolves become protective of pack members when a pack member is pregnant. Does anyone have evidence that the change in behaviour (becoming more protective) occurs in the natural pack? If "yes" I could understand the natural behaviour being redirected towards a pregnant owner. If the behaviour is not seen in the wild state could we expect to see it expressed in a domestic household?=20 Also, even if you could prove a dog is capable of detecting pregnant women, that is not proof in itself that they make use of the information=20 (or alter their behaviour). It is a great question, but I suspect the change in behaviour (if it occurs) is not readily detected in all dogs, otherwise canine ethologists would have already spoke up and told us all about it! At least you would think so! Cheers, Joe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Joseph M. Stookey Department of Herd Medicine and Theriogenology Western College of Veterinary Medicine University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada S7N 5B4 From: IN%"arioncr@mindspring.com" "Chris Redenbach" 10-MAR-1998 23:08:47.89 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"rudy.demeester@ping.be" "De Meester", IN%"joseph.stookey@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: pregnant woman. Yes, Joe, I was thinking along these lines as well. Here is my own experience with this matter. It is not documented except in my sometimes faulty memory, but many of the isolated occurences stand out vividly because of the way they underscore the similarities as well as the differences between our social species and theirs. In my own group of 4 intact males and 6 intact female Bouviers, it is evident from changes in behavior that the pregnancy of a bitch affects her treatment to and by the other group members. Normally I see an increase in the aggression of previously rival females and an increase in bonding behaviors by previously friendly females, although there can be what appears to be a process of changing roles with daughters from previous litters, so that both bonding and aggression increase as the relationship seeks a new level. The male dogs appear to change in the following ways....some show more ritualized dominance displays (not aggressive nor bullying, just creating a presence) and greater protectiveness towards outsiders....human and dog alike. Others act more puppyish and solicit attention from the pregnant female more. These latter are usually the younger males. During the pregnancy everyone in general changes behavior a bit. But I cannot isolate the causes of this since one female in season is usually accompanied by others in season and this also affects everyone until all is peaceful again. Usually that has been at the last half to third of the pregnant female's term. The pregnant female herself is usually more aggressive towards strangers during her pregnancy, but solicits more attention from her friends during this time. I have seen dogs in other places who exhibit the more inhibited fear based variations on this theme...either becoming timid, solicitous of attention from everyone or fearfully aggressive. What I haven't seen is dogs that just remain the same as they always are. I wonder if the same gamut of variations is true on a body language level with some human females and would therefore explain some of the changes in the pet dog's behavior. The pregnant bitch's behavior changes when she begins the preparations for the actual birth, at which time she becomes very exclusive about the other dogs and tries to find a secluded spot. I try to accomodate her wishes as far as possible and then, if necessary, move the pups to the clean prepared place that I picked after all are born and mother is less anxious. All the dogs become very agitated, curious yet highly inhibited during whelpings....wanting to peek in on what is going on yet being attracted and seemingly repulsed by the odors of the laundry from the frequent changes as the birthing progresses. The mother is very defensive at this time and gives very bad looks at any dog who would dare to venture too near unless, in certain cases, it is her own mother. Others will no doubt have had different experiences with this. I have seen females of the same family, who were well bonded, attempt to share the nursing duties of the pups. In a particular case when I had two litters at the same time (a never to be repeated form of lunacy) within a week of each other, the mothers were from rival families within my household. The same female who tried to care for and even allow her daughter's pups to nurse on her despite her not having milk, also tried to kill the pups of the other female, her enemy. Just as a curiosity, I once held a two week old pup up to the corner of an adult male's mouth and nudged his mouth with the pup's muzzle. This is a typical food solicitation behavior normally carried out by weaning age pups, but usually, in domesticated dogs, done to the mother. The male immediately (I was amazed with how fast) regurgitated and then ran from the room. He did not do this upon subsequent exposures in the same way and instead, growled. Amongst the dogs of my clients, I have seen that some of their male dogs can become more protective as well as more attached. It is often difficult for me to estimate this change, since in many cases I was not acquainted with dog or person prior to the pregnancy. I must depend therefore on their appraisal of the changes, which I often think are colored by the wishes of a woman with growing maternal protective concerns. But there are so many accounts of this, and it is born out in the dog-dog interactions I've seen, that there must be something to these stories. I think it would be naive to attribute this awareness to any one of the dog's senses more than the dynamic process of multiple changes of different types, intensities and frequencies creating an overall substantial change in the total information available to the dog for interpretation and action. The female owner would indeed have a changed odour as well as changed posture, changed shape and volume, changed movements and changed reactions to the environment, which a dog would most certainly notice, as their domain of attention is more intimately aware of these kinds of information changes from the accustomed norms. Chris Redenbach From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 11-MAR-1998 00:22:02.11 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women Anything is possible I guess (and I've heard the theory before) but I have never observed this behaviour myself. Aggressiveness may well develop at the onset of a human pregnancy but I very much doubt if the pregnancy is the primary cause of the aggression. Its more likely to arise from an entirely different reason. Glynne Anderson > Hi > > I had a few problems getting through, possibly my fault, with the wrong > address. > > A question to all out there. > > I have read somewhere, that many male dogs can know by scent that a woman is > pregnant, and sometimes become over-protective with, and around her, to the > point that sometimes they can become very aggressive. > > Does anyone have any information on this please. > > Rosalie Skewes > ABC Dog Training & Supplies > 4 Sturt Place > Padbury 6025 > Western Australia From: IN%"mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 11-MAR-1998 02:58:31.20 To: IN%"pherosynthese@wanadoo.fr" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: text revision Dear Dr Tessier and others > As a French veterinary research team, we are searching for an > English-speaking veterinarian or student who could revise our papers at > a good price on an occasional basis. If your papers are concerned with behaviour, you may be interested in the scheme run by the International Society for Applied Ethology to help non-English speaking authors improve the English of their articles. If so you should first join ISAE (write to the Membership Secretary, Dr Mark Rutter, Institute of Grassland and Environmental Research, North Wyke, Okehampton, Devon EX20 2SB, UK, Fax (44) 837 82139, Email isae.membership@bbsrc.ac.uk) then send an abstract of your paper to Dr Lindsay Matthews, Ruakura Agricultural Centre, Private Bag, Hamilton, New Zealand, Fax (64) 7 838 5727, Email matthewsl@agresearch.cri.nz Dr Matthews will put you in touch with another member of the society who has offered to help in this way. Yours Mike Appleby From: IN%"rc_rutt@ndirect.co.uk" 11-MAR-1998 03:46:37.75 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied ethology Mail Group" CC: Subj: Pregnancy effects on group behaviour. This is an interesting thread in my current situation. The observations posted by Chris Redenbach have interesting parallels in the situation here with domestic cats, despite the very different social behaviours of felines when compared with canines. I recently started breeding British Shorthair Cats, having previously quite a lot of experience with "domestic moggies". First mating of foundation female - litter aborted at 60 days. No kittens survived tho' mother tried hard to get them going. She licked a hole in one of the kittens. Second mating. Successful birth of 3. One dead - placenta ruptured during birth. Maternal behaviour from parturition to weaning was adequate but not as attentive and protective as I have experienced with other cats in the past. For example, the queen would leave the kittens frequently when they slept and spend time with the humans. This behaviour in itself was atypical since this cat was from a large semi-commercial breeder and appeared to have had less than adequate human contact during the critical 4-7 week old window. Kitten handling was permitted with no observable reaction by mother from birth. One of the female kittens from the litter was retained. Mother and daughter never became particularly friendly but tolerant until Mother became pregnant again when a much closer bond was established (mutual groooming and sleeping together) After parturition, nest inspection at a very early stage by the now adult daughter was tolerated well. During the mother's oestrus she became more "irritable". Daughter's oestrus did not appear to affect the relationship. Eventually and for about 3 months, the two cycles appeared to roughly (+/- 3 days) synchronise. However, the senior female eventually got into a continuous oestrus. As an aside, during some recent TV shows here cries of distressed kittens were broadcast. Mother cat appeared oblivious. Daughter became interested, spending some time trying to locate the source, continuing for some minutes after the "source" ended. This relationship continued until recent mating of both mother and daughter. They were separated for a week. They could see and hear each other but were (obviously!) out of physical contact, going to separate stud cats. The stud owner reports that mating of the senior cat took place 3 days before the daughter was mated. This is supported by timing of appearance of evidence of pregnancy (enlarged mammae in the mother preceded the daughter by some 4 days - it is also more marked, but I surmise this is due to facilitation by having previous litters?) On return from mating the senior cat keeps the daughter at a distance with threat behaviour. Daughter avoids conflict and mother does not drive home her attacks on the rare occasions when daughter "stands her ground". As a preliminary hypothesis, I feel that the older cat's early socialisation (about which I can find little info - the beeder is not very forthcoming) was possibly disfunctional in other ways than lack of human contact. I would be most interested in any observations, comments, experiences or advice on this behaviour and how to study it further in the domestic situation. Clearly if either or both the pregnancies proceed to term I am going to have some interesting behavioural observations to make from c. 20th April !! Sorry it was so long a post Best wishes R.Chris Rutt rc_rutt@ndirect.co.uk http://www.rc-rutt.ndirect.co.uk/ From: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "appleby" 11-MAR-1998 07:06:15.95 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women In article <1.5.4.32.19980310001420.006ae014@mail.iinet.net.au>, abcdog writes > >Hi > >I had a few problems getting through, possibly my fault, with the wrong address. > >A question to all out there. > >I have read somewhere, that many male dogs can know by scent that a woman is >pregnant, and sometimes become over-protective with, and around her, to the >point that sometimes they can become very aggressive. > >Does anyone have any information on this please. > >Rosalie Skewes >ABC Dog Training & Supplies >4 Sturt Place >Padbury 6025 >Western Australia > > Dear all, I hope this anecdotal observation will add something to the discussion. As a pet behaviour counsellor I sometimes see cases where the behaviour of the owner's dog (always male as far as I can recall) changes during the menstruation of a female owner. Sometimes the behaviour change takes the form of reduced tolerance of other members of the family e.g. the husband and on others the dog is aggressive, normally growling, towards the female herself. It is difficult to know if the change in behaviour is an instinctive response to a change in the female's pheromone profile or a response to changes in her behaviour. This seemed to be highlighted by a case I saw last year. This involved a male dog that would guard the female owner, from her husband and their other dog, as if she was a resource, when she was not menstruating but would not show any of this behaviour when she was. This paradoxical effect seemed to be attributable to the fact that, by her own admission, during menstruation she was prone to being exceptionally irritable and the dog seemed to be less close to her. His defensive behaviour was at its worst during the week or so prior to menstruation. I must stress that I see some 600 cases a year and the incidence of the reporting of this sort of behaviour is extremely low, perhaps one or two a year at most. Best wishes. David ---------------------------------------- Name:David Appleby Address:The Pet Behaviour Centre, Upper street, Defford, Worcestershire. WR8 9AB.England. Phone:+44(0)1386 750615 Fax:+44(0)1386 750743 E-mail:appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk WWW: http://webzone1.co.uk/www/apbc/pbc.htm ---------------------------------------- From: IN%"SBXNG@sbn3.phes.nottingham.ac.uk" "Nigel Goodwin" 11-MAR-1998 08:07:29.46 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women > I have read somewhere, that many male dogs can know by scent that a woman is > pregnant, and sometimes become over-protective with, and around her, to the > point that sometimes they can become very aggressive. Is it possible that the dog detects the change in behaviour of the other members of the pregnant woman's family? As her pregnancy progresses and she is treated with increasing care and attention, perhaps the dog senses that her status within the family group has changed, and attempts to copy the other humans' protective behaviour? Just a thought. If a dog showed the same behaviour around a pregnant woman living alone, then this theory may be discounted. Nigel From: IN%"joseph.garner@New.oxford.ac.uk" "Joseph Garner" 11-MAR-1998 09:31:26.84 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Numbers of animals Hi there, I'm trying to work out ballpark figures for the number of stereotyping farm animals in either the UK, USA, or the world. MAFF statistics give total herd and flock sizes for the UK, but do not break these down into husbandry systems. Does anyone know if these data exist, either for the UK or worldwide? Secondly, I need to know the proportion of animals exhibiting stereotypy in each species in each husbandry system. So far I've collated data for lab rodents and mink, but I'm having more of a problem with other farm animals. I'm particularly interested in both total population numbers, and stereotpy incidences, for: 1.Broiler breeders 2.Battery layers (by hybrid if possible) 3.Veal calves in crates 4.Stalled cattle 5.Sows in farrowing crates Thanks, Joe. From: IN%"arioncr@mindspring.com" "Chris Redenbach" 11-MAR-1998 10:00:31.04 To: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "appleby" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: pregnant women (and a parrot) This involved a male dog that would guard the female owner, >from her husband and their other dog, as if she was a resource, when she >was not menstruating but would not show any of this behaviour when she >was. This paradoxical effect seemed to be attributable to the fact that, >by her own admission, during menstruation she was prone to being >exceptionally irritable and the dog seemed to be less close to her. His >defensive behaviour was at its worst during the week or so prior to >menstruation. > >I must stress that I see some 600 cases a year and the incidence of the >reporting of this sort of behaviour is extremely low, perhaps one or two >a year at most. I don't find this paradoxical when one compares the time of ovulation and fertility of women and bitches. It would seem that the woman might be considered to be more of a "resource" when she is closer to time of ovulation than when she is menstruating. From my observation of dogs, the attractants accompanying ovulation are more stimulating than those of the uterine cleansing preceeding it. Male dogs, especially experienced ones, are not interested in the bitches until the heaviest part of discharge is over with and the other signs of readiness to accept a male are nearing a peak. Of course, this is consistent with your clients' situation. The woman is not pleasant nor fertile during menstruation. As a training instructor as well as problem behavior counselor for more than 20 years, I am told with more frequency of this kind behavior, although still not with great frequency. But I probably see each client more frequently than you do and have more opportunities to chat about the dog's overall behaviors. I think perhaps that the behavior rarely reaches problematic proportions, so you would only tend to hear of it when it accompanies other serious problems or reaches notably inconvenient levels. I have been told on a number of occassions about male dogs who become aggressive when the owners have sex. I have always thought of this problem as one of rank and/or possibly the dog's attempts to protect one owner from the other. It is carried to the extremes in some dogs. There may also be a reluctance to speak about it as well as the general low level of pet owners' abilities to accurately observe and successfully attribute such correlations in their pets' behaviors. I suspect that there could be a strong correlation between the dog's perception of his rank in the family, the kind of bonding encouraged, the dog's sex drive and the appearance of this behavior. The high number of neutered dogs in Western society could also lessen the potential frequency of such reports. Of course, this assumes that neutered male dogs do not show this behavior and I have no facts that say they don't. I suspect that there is more of this inter-species behavioral responsiveness to important physical states between dogs and other species to which they are bonded. I have seen sheep dogs mounting the sheep. I know nothing about sheep and had no one to ask at the time to know if this was just dominance display or if the ewe was sexually receptive. I wonder which other species might be attentive to the human condition regarding sex and reproduction; and if they are truly responsive to the human condition, or if they are just acting on their own hormonally triggered low threshold programs as I think may be the case with my parrot. For twenty some years I have owned a wild caught adult presumed female amazon parrot who, despite no human imprinting, has directed her mating displays towards me and can become quite inconvenient. At times, she is also extremely protective of me and attacks anyone who tries to touch me. I rescued this bird from an abusive and terrifying situation and it took forever to tame her and ease her stress. I don't know how much this could influence this behavior if at all. Any parrot experts out there? Chris Redenbach From: IN%"jjcooper@dmu.ac.uk" "Jonathan James Cooper" 11-MAR-1998 10:51:33.72 To: IN%"doyew@pl.jaring.my" "Doyew" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: Toe Clipping (Ouchee!) Apologies if this was said in the recent toe-amputation email frenzy, but here are two possibly relevant pieces of information. 1. At present papers using toe-clipping as a means of identifying rodents are very unlikely to be accepted by Animal Behaviour (independantly of their scientific merit) as the practise is considered unjustified by the Association for the Study of Animal Behaviour's Ethical committee. 2. An alternative means of identification is the use of injectible transponders with idividual identifying codes, which can be automatically read. Superficially the technique sounds horrendous as the transponders are about the size of a grain of rice, which if scaled up to the size of people would be something like a large bottle. The technique is, however currently recommended by the Home Office as a means of permanently marking lab mice and when injected correctly it is claimed that there are no long or short term signs of distress (eg Lab mice find handling alone and particurly toucig there heads pretty aversive, whereas handling with injection of transponders apperas to be no more aversive than handling alone). I suspect that many toe-cutters would make similar claims for toe amputation (eg they keep on returning to the trap, so it can not possibly be aversive). Heaven knows how a wild-caught rodent would react to a grain of rice injected into its back, but it may be a more acceptable means to permnently mark them. Hope this is useful and did not rake up old news. JC From: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "appleby" 11-MAR-1998 16:57:12.46 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women (and a parrot) In article <3.0.1.32.19980311104125.00bb6988@pop.mindspring.com>, Chris Redenbach writes >I don't find this paradoxical when one compares the time of ovulation and >fertility of women and bitches. It would seem that the woman might be >considered to be more of a "resource" when she is closer to time of >ovulation than when she is menstruating. From my observation of dogs, the >attractants accompanying ovulation are more stimulating than those of the >uterine cleansing preceeding it. Male dogs, especially experienced ones, >are not interested in the bitches until the heaviest part of discharge is >over with and the other signs of readiness to accept a male are nearing a >peak. The paradox I was referring to here was the fact that this was unusual when clients mostly report that incidents of aggressive/threatening behaviour occur during menstruation. In this particular case the main influence seemed to be the owner's very close relationship with the dogs at other times. I introduced the case to support the suggestion that the change in a dog's behaviour may not be entirely due to pheromone changes. Of course I agree with the logic of your hypothesis however this does not explain those cases where the dog is defensive in response to the female herself. Speak to you soon. David ---------------------------------------- Name:David Appleby Address:The Pet Behaviour Centre, Upper street, Defford, Worcestershire. WR8 9AB.England. Phone:+44(0)1386 750615 Fax:+44(0)1386 750743 E-mail:appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk WWW: http://webzone1.co.uk/www/apbc/pbc.htm ---------------------------------------- From: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin Walker" 11-MAR-1998 17:39:48.70 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology Network (E-mail)" CC: Subj: Re:Brain size conservation >-----Original Message----- >From: Zen Faulkes [SMTP:zfaulkes@*SPAMBLOCK*BIO1.LAN.MCGILL.CA] >Sent: 11 March 1998 14:01 >To: ETHOLOGY@SEGATE.SUNET.SE >Subject: Re: Brain-size conservatism. > >John Bois wrote: > >>> Several papers by R. Glenn Northcutt (at UCSD, I think) suggest this >>> is not the case. He presents data to argue that relatively large >>> brains have evolved repeatedly throughout the vertebrates, although I >>> believe most of his data are based on fishes, particularly sharks. >>> I'll dig out >>> the reference if anyone wants it. >> >> If this were viviparous or ovoviparous sharks this would support my >> position, i.e., extending organogenesis provides opportunities for >> bigger brain size which is repeatedly adaptive--I would appreciate the >> ref. > > Here you are: > >Northcutt, R.G. 1984. Evolution of the vertebrate nervous system: >patterns and processes. American Zoologist 24(3): 701-716. > > You may also want to look through the journal Brain, Behaviour >and Evolution, which publishes papers on this sort of topic fairly >frequently. > > I've heard some talks from people working on correlates of brain >size in vertebrates, and I remember them saying that most hypothesis >proposed for ecological or behavioural correlates with big brains in >different taxa falls to pieces when you look at sharks. So, good luck! > >Zen Faulkes >Biology, McGill University >------ =_NextPart_000_01BD4D44.CCA93CC0 >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > What order of mathematical complexity is represented by the proprioceptive abilities of the eight arms of the octopus? How many positions can be assumed and objects can be manipulated at once? Is its brain very small? Can sharks compute the olfactory, auditory and electrical events in a large area around them? Are their brains very small? Is there not a huge difference between positioning intricate body parts and learning to repeat the movements and simply registering sensory inputs and vectoring towards them using a limited repertoire of physical skills? Did curiosity die with the great God Pan? Robin From: IN%"jamench@ucdavis.edu" "Joy A. Mench" 11-MAR-1998 17:49:58.63 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'applied-ethology'" CC: Subj: FW: Toe Clipping (Ouchee!) I don't want to re-open old wounds (!), but it is worth remembering that there are two committees (associated with the two editorial offices) that review Animal Behaviour manuscripts for animal-ethical content, the British Ethics Committee and the North American Animal Care Committee. Several years ago, the Animal Behavior Society was petitioned to vote in favor of a resolution against toe clipping. The Animal Care Committee and many ABS members reviewed the scientific evidence, and concluded that there might be cases (mentioned in my previous communication on this issue) where toe clipping was the only workable method of identification. The committee would obviously review any research using toe clipping extremely carefully and with great concern, but the use of toe clipping would not automatically preclude the manuscript from being published in Animal Behaviour (unless the committee has recently changed its policy). Joy Mench ---------- From: applied-ethology-error To: Doyew Cc: applied-ethology Subject: Toe Clipping (Ouchee!) Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 4:47PM Apologies if this was said in the recent toe-amputation email frenzy, but here are two possibly relevant pieces of information. 1. At present papers using toe-clipping as a means of identifying rodents are very unlikely to be accepted by Animal Behaviour (independantly of their scientific merit) as the practise is considered unjustified by the Association for the Study of Animal Behaviour's Ethical committee. 2. An alternative means of identification is the use of injectible transponders with idividual identifying codes, which can be automatically read. Superficially the technique sounds horrendous as the transponders are about the size of a grain of rice, which if scaled up to the size of people would be something like a large bottle. The technique is, however currently recommended by the Home Office as a means of permanently marking lab mice and when injected correctly it is claimed that there are no long or short term signs of distress (eg Lab mice find handling alone and particurly toucig there heads pretty aversive, whereas handling with injection of transponders apperas to be no more aversive than handling alone). I suspect that many toe-cutters would make similar claims for toe amputation (eg they keep on returning to the trap, so it can not possibly be aversive). Heaven knows how a wild-caught rodent would react to a grain of rice injected into its back, but it may be a more acceptable means to permnently mark them. Hope this is useful and did not rake up old news. JC From: IN%"J.Eddison@plymouth.ac.uk" "J Eddison" 12-MAR-1998 06:39:32.97 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Re:Brain size conservation I don't seem to have received all of te preceding messages relating to this topic, but those interested in the discussion may find the following reference of use: Jerison, H.J (1973) Evolution of Brain and Intelligence. Academic Press, New York. I have not read the book, but I have seen graphs that are based on some of the that are in the book; they describe the realtionship between brain size and body size for many species drawn from various vertebrate taxa. John Eddison > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:35:22 +0000 > From: Robin Walker > Subject: Re:Brain size conservation > To: "Applied Ethology Network (E-mail)" > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Zen Faulkes [SMTP:zfaulkes@*SPAMBLOCK*BIO1.LAN.MCGILL.CA] > >Sent: 11 March 1998 14:01 > >To: ETHOLOGY@SEGATE.SUNET.SE > >Subject: Re: Brain-size conservatism. > > > >John Bois wrote: > > > >>> Several papers by R. Glenn Northcutt (at UCSD, I think) suggest this > >>> is not the case. He presents data to argue that relatively large > >>> brains have evolved repeatedly throughout the vertebrates, although I > >>> believe most of his data are based on fishes, particularly sharks. > >>> I'll dig out > >>> the reference if anyone wants it. > >> > >> If this were viviparous or ovoviparous sharks this would support my > >> position, i.e., extending organogenesis provides opportunities for > >> bigger brain size which is repeatedly adaptive--I would appreciate the > >> ref. > > > > Here you are: > > > >Northcutt, R.G. 1984. Evolution of the vertebrate nervous system: > >patterns and processes. American Zoologist 24(3): 701-716. > > > > You may also want to look through the journal Brain, Behaviour > >and Evolution, which publishes papers on this sort of topic fairly > >frequently. > > > > I've heard some talks from people working on correlates of brain > >size in vertebrates, and I remember them saying that most hypothesis > >proposed for ecological or behavioural correlates with big brains in > >different taxa falls to pieces when you look at sharks. So, good luck! > > > >Zen Faulkes > >Biology, McGill University > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BD4D44.CCA93CC0 > >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > > > What order of mathematical complexity is represented by the > proprioceptive abilities of the eight arms of the octopus? How > many positions can be assumed and objects can be manipulated > at once? > > Is its brain very small? > > Can sharks compute the olfactory, auditory and electrical events > in a large area around them? > > Are their brains very small? > > Is there not a huge difference between positioning intricate body parts and > learning to repeat the movements and simply registering sensory > inputs and vectoring towards them using a limited repertoire of physical skills? > > Did curiosity die with the great God Pan? > > > Robin From: IN%"jahart@ark.ship.edu" "Jim Hart" 12-MAR-1998 07:43:52.56 To: IN%"jjcooper@dmu.ac.uk" "Jonathan James Cooper" CC: IN%"doyew@pl.jaring.my" "Doyew", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Toe Clipping (Ouchee!) A question on the use of implantible transponder Or "pit" tags. How are graduate students on limited budgets supposed to afford them when they must also invest monies in live traps costing upwards of between $16.00 to $45.00 dollars. From: IN%"jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp" "Janice Willard" 12-MAR-1998 08:54:13.41 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"arioncr@mindspring.com" "Chris Redenbach" Subj: RE: pregnant women (and a parrot) >For twenty some years I have owned a wild caught adult presumed female >amazon parrot who, despite no human imprinting, has directed her mating >displays towards me and can become quite inconvenient. At times, she is >also extremely protective of me and attacks anyone who tries to touch me. I >rescued this bird from an abusive and terrifying situation and it took >forever to tame her and ease her stress. I don't know how much this could >influence this behavior if at all. Any parrot experts out there? > "....And if you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with! Baby, love the one you're with!" Sorry Chris, couldn't help myself ;-) . The refrain from this old rock and roll song has been running around in my head ever since I read your post this morning. It reminds me of Woodstock, but I can't for the life of me remember who sang it.... Good discussion, by the way..... *************************************************************************** Janice Willard, DVM MS Tokyo 194, Machida-shi Higashi Tamagawa Gakuen 1-33-66 Japan Phone/FAX (81)427-29-4519 Message FAX (81)427-21-2850 jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp From: IN%"ragtuswa@eden.rutgers.edu" "ult.cornboy" 12-MAR-1998 11:31:44.89 To: IN%"jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp" "Janice Willard" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"arioncr@mindspring.com" "Chris Redenbach" Subj: RE: pregnant women (and a parrot) Not to intereupt a privte conversation, but I believe those lyrics were sung by Crosby, Stills, and Nash. mike toscano aka lzk On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Janice Willard wrote: > > >For twenty some years I have owned a wild caught adult presumed female > >amazon parrot who, despite no human imprinting, has directed her mating > >displays towards me and can become quite inconvenient. At times, she is > >also extremely protective of me and attacks anyone who tries to touch me. I > >rescued this bird from an abusive and terrifying situation and it took > >forever to tame her and ease her stress. I don't know how much this could > >influence this behavior if at all. Any parrot experts out there? > > > > "....And if you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're > with! Baby, love the one you're with!" > > Sorry Chris, couldn't help myself ;-) . The refrain from this old rock and > roll song has been running around in my head ever since I read your post > this morning. It reminds me of Woodstock, but I can't for the life of me > remember who sang it.... > > Good discussion, by the way..... > > > > *************************************************************************** > Janice Willard, DVM MS > Tokyo 194, Machida-shi > Higashi Tamagawa Gakuen > 1-33-66 > Japan > Phone/FAX (81)427-29-4519 > Message FAX (81)427-21-2850 > jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp From: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" 12-MAR-1998 14:02:43.29 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Eau-de -Canide? Dear All, Here's a canine behaviour question for you: From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing against foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. The procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for the dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behaviour? Thanks, Hans Petter Kjaestad Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine Dept. of Small Animal Sciences hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no From: IN%"arioncr@mindspring.com" "Chris Redenbach" 12-MAR-1998 14:45:37.12 To: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "appleby" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: pregnant women >The paradox I was referring to here was the fact that this was unusual >when clients mostly report that incidents of aggressive/threatening >behaviour occur during menstruation. In this particular case the main >influence seemed to be the owner's very close relationship with the dogs >at other times. I introduced the case to support the suggestion that the >change in a dog's behaviour may not be entirely due to pheromone >changes. Of course I agree with the logic of your hypothesis however >this does not explain those cases where the dog is defensive in response >to the female herself. To save some of you some aggravation..... This is a long response. If you don't want to read about dogs, now is the time to click delete. David, I still see the situation as very logical. In my observations of my dogs and others, I see that the males are charming when the female is alluring, but revert to a sometimes grouchy enforcement of the strict rules of correct canine etiquette as they see them at times when the female is not sexually attractive. Their fond attentions seem to begin about 1 month to 6 weeks prior to the female's season and extend for about 2 weeks after the whole thing is over. Then there is a change from solicitous romance to hierarchical matters. Fewer faux pas are forgiven without some display of displeasure. So if their behavior as dogs is representative, then the same could hold true of an allowably less precise interpretation of human hormonal states. Therefore, the dog's behavior towards the woman should become more affectionate surrounding her ovulation and less affectionate and tolerant around her menses. Accordingly, the protective or possessive type of dog would be more aggressive towards other people when she is near ovulation and less aggressive towards them when she is menstruating. Some male dogs are also quite gruff and almost brutal towards the female even at the height of her attractiveness. They want sex and nothing else. They threaten her away if she solicits them once they are satisfied and are dangerous when she isn't in season. These are the exceptions of course and usually have other extreme behaviors. (Although they don't necessarily make bad pets if well managed.) They are probably limited to domesticated dogs as such dysfunctional extremes do not seem functionally compatible with wild populations of social animals. Some dogs aggressively defend the woman during her menses and also act very curious about her physical state at that time. The sum total of stimuli, both similar and differing, that surround the bitches'estrus and the human female's could be sending confusing signals to a dog. I am speaking about both the chemical signals and the behavioral signals. I read about a study that found a postive correlation between ovulation in women and more alluring behavior and scantier dress as opposed to counterparts who were not ovulating. That certainly supports the idea of behavioral cues to the dog as well as chemical since some postures and movements must have some common level of information value to the dog. On the other hand a woman who experiences emotional or physical difficulties due to PMS or during actual menses, would tend to display different personal and social behaviors to both humans and dogs at these times. And the humans at least, would certainly respond to this different behavior, thus creating an overall display of changes in relationship for the dog to respond to or not. Those behavioral changes may cause her to act either weak and ill or perhaps inappropriately adversarial or reactive...thus stimulating either defensive, offensive or avoidance behaviors in the influenced dog. If we also presume, for discussion, that any dogs who are so involved with their human mistress' hormonal status that they overtly display remarkably different behavior, may also be considered to be behaviorally out of balance. This imbalance will be evident in other behavioral interactions between human and dog. When I intervene in such cases I work to teach the owners all the ways in which they are being seductive towards the dog and the ways in which they should show benign leadership. Some obedience training is also necessary to teach the dog to respond to new tasks to talk him through the behavior changes expected of him in his new patterns. Often neutering is recommended if the imbalance seems to be largely on the part of the dog rather than serious behavioral imbalances on the part of the owners' interactions with the dog or if the owners seem unlikely to effect the appropriate changes.I do not overlook the role of the spouse in such situations as it is not impossibe that some elements of the behaviors are directed at display towards the spouse. In dysfunctional families the family dog cannot escape the emotional fallout. One needs to look for marital difficulties involving aggressive or wildly fluctuating behavior between the humans, especially where the dog's company is sought for comfort. Dogs are very sensitive and confused by such behaviors....even at a low level. It is often difficult to gain such information from the owners and one must be quite observant to pick up small signs. I have even seen men who are unaware that they are actually acting jealous or competitive with the dog for the wife's attention...and wives doing displays of emotional neediness and or seductiveness to the dog. I've actually had incompatible husbands and wives take separate sessions with the family dog, not to mention children whose sibling rivalry with the dog prompts them to lie about the dog's behavior or tattle on the dog to get it in trouble with the parents. When writing science it is necessary to be very cautious about assertions of similarities between dogs and humans. But in the everyday work world of practical behavior counseling, some excellent practical solutions can be found, despite gaps in the accepted literature, by chosing to attribute to the dogs greater behavioral plasticity within a sensible range. Some great practical solutions to problems in the social dynamic of families can be prompted by an anthropomorphically tainted guess. Then if it works out well, there is time to figure out why. I don't think owners end up looking like their dogs....I think the dogs become like their owners. Chris Redenbach From: IN%"jkincaid@unix.kawartha.com" 12-MAR-1998 16:28:20.67 To: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" "Hans Petter Kjaestad" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? Hans Petter Kjaestad wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here's a canine behaviour question for you: > > >From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing against > foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. The > procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for the > dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). > > Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behaviour? > > Thanks, > > Hans Petter Kjaestad > Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine > Dept. of Small Animal Sciences > > hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no Hi Hans; Wild canids as well as domestic dogs engage in this behaviour and two theories, that I know of. have been proposed to explain it. One it is an attempt by the wild canid to mask their own odour and this has carried over into the domestic dog. The other theory is that they just seem to enjoy it. Much as a human thinks they smell better if doused with cologne. Hope that helps John From: IN%"nrunar@online.no" "Runar" 12-MAR-1998 19:37:17.16 To: IN%"jkincaid@unix.kawartha.com" CC: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" "Hans Petter Kjaestad", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? Dear All, a quick introduction : I have been lurking on this list for about a year now, -finding it most interesting and useful, but without ever having the level of competence to " make myself useful ". I'm a dog-trainer, but have also studied wolves for many years in the wild and in captivity, working at Langedrag Wildlife Park in Norway and studying wolf behavior at Institute of Ethology, Wolf Park,In. under Dr. Erich Klinghammer. I would like to offer a third theory to the question of canine scent-rolling. Wolves do this frequently, and not just on foul-smelling objects, but on anything with a strong scent, -like manure or perfume. One drop of perfume on the ground will have a wolf rolling and rubbing for up to several minutes. What has been observed in the wild, is a lone wolf scent-rolling and later returning to the pack. After a while (can't remember the time-frame here) the hole pack got up and left for the spot where the scent originated. The theory is that this behavior serves as a source of information to the rest of the pack. A way of saying; "Hey, look(smell) what I found", -if I may be a little antropomorfistic for a moment. Thank You for listening to my two (s)cent worth, Runar C. Ness John Kincaid wrote: > Hans Petter Kjaestad wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Here's a canine behaviour question for you: > > > > >From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing against > > foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. The > > procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for the > > dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). > > > > Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behaviour? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hans Petter Kjaestad > > Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine > > Dept. of Small Animal Sciences > > > > hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no > Hi Hans; > Wild canids as well as domestic dogs engage in this behaviour and two > theories, that I know of. have been proposed to explain it. One it is > an attempt by the wild canid to mask their own odour and this has > carried over into the domestic dog. The other theory is that they just > seem to enjoy it. Much as a human thinks they smell better if doused > with cologne. > > Hope that helps > John From: IN%"kitana@c-zone.net" "Kitana" 12-MAR-1998 20:34:53.28 To: IN%"jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp" "'Janice Willard'", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women (and a parrot) Hello, I have a cockatoo umbrella and a Military macaw. In alot of cases = large birds of that source will bond or "pair" as they call It with the = loved owner. And yes become very protective of you. The more time yo = spent with and normal bird by Itself the more chance you have of this = happing. In most cases you would want to take the bird out while ppl are = there. Or take the bird places. In the case that you have an abused = bird..You can either accept the fact that the bird will never be = touchable by ppl again or slowly bring her out of It by taking her out = while ppl are at your home, BUT DON'T let ppl go to touch her just = having her around ppl Is enough. DOn't force her on ppl. It will take a = long time.The more private time you spend with her the more she will = always only want your attention, mostly because she will consider you a = her mate and birds become very jelous when their mate's attention is = else where. I know this because My umbrella who Is a yr &1 month started = to become this way. -Lyssa =09 -----Original Message----- From: Janice Willard [SMTP:jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 6:56 AM To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Cc: Chris Redenbach Subject: Re: pregnant women (and a parrot) >For twenty some years I have owned a wild caught adult presumed female >amazon parrot who, despite no human imprinting, has directed her mating >displays towards me and can become quite inconvenient. At times, she is >also extremely protective of me and attacks anyone who tries to touch = me. I >rescued this bird from an abusive and terrifying situation and it took >forever to tame her and ease her stress. I don't know how much this = could >influence this behavior if at all. Any parrot experts out there?=20 > From: IN%"chienlai@singnet.com.sg" "Lai Chien Hsun" 13-MAR-1998 00:14:24.13 To: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" "Hans Petter Kjaestad", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? Dear Hans, I have had some experience working with wolves and wolf-dog hybrids. I observed members of a pack, upon discovering the existence of some interesting scent, proceed to rub parts of their body (especially the back and side) on the source. When this same member returns to the pack, it is usually greeted by the other members who seem very excited to discover that one of them has returned with some exotic scent! It is as though an explorer who has ventured out of the pack to some foreign land has returned with "pictures" to show! I think this may be a form of communication, whereby pack mates share individual experiences, and if anyone is interested in the source, they can be brought there? Lai Chien Hsun Singapore Zoological Gardens ---------- > From: Hans Petter Kjaestad > To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > Subject: Eau-de -Canide? > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 4:08 AM > > Dear All, > > Here's a canine behavior question for you: > > >From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing against > foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. The > procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for the > dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). > > Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behavior? > > > > Thanks, > > Hans Petter Kjaestad > Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine > Dept. of Small Animal Sciences > > hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 13-MAR-1998 00:53:34.90 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" CC: Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? Perhaps Kennel No. 5.? > >From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing against > foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. The > procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for the > dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). > Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behaviour? > Thanks, > Hans Petter Kjaestad > Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine > Dept. of Small Animal Sciences > > hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no > > From: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "appleby" 13-MAR-1998 07:32:17.77 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: pregnant women In article <3.0.1.32.19980312153257.00e87e2c@pop.mindspring.com>, Chris Redenbach writes >To save some of you some aggravation..... >This is a long response. If you don't want to read about dogs, now is the >time to click delete. > > >David, I still see the situation as very logical. In my observations of my >dogs and others, I see that the males are charming when the female is >alluring, but revert to a sometimes grouchy enforcement of the strict rules >of correct canine etiquette as they see them at times when the female is >not sexually attractive. etc. In case I have not made myself clear let me say again. A) The case in question was paradoxical TO THOSE THAT ARE NORMALLY PRESENTED TO ME. It was not paradoxical to the nature of the problem. B) I entirely agree with your hypothesis as you presented it the first time. c) Does this mean that those dogs (i.e. the majority presented to me) that are aggressive to their female owners during menstruation are being paradoxical to the nature of the problem? >Some >male dogs are also quite gruff and almost brutal towards the female even at >the height of her attractiveness. They want sex and nothing else. They >threaten her away if she solicits them once they are satisfied and are >dangerous when she isn't in season. If true this should address point C. The only thing I am uncomfortable with is that it is normally the female that calls the shots i.e. allures/repels the normal males that compete for her attentions. Best wishes. David ---------------------------------------- Name:David Appleby Address:The Pet Behaviour Centre, Upper street, Defford, Worcestershire. WR8 9AB.England. Phone:+44(0)1386 750615 Fax:+44(0)1386 750743 E-mail:appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk WWW: http://webzone1.co.uk/www/apbc/pbc.htm ---------------------------------------- From: IN%"slindsay@ix.netcom.com" 13-MAR-1998 08:28:45.73 To: IN%"chienlai@singnet.com.sg" "Lai Chien Hsun" CC: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" "Hans Petter Kjaestad", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? Hans, The canine habit of rubbing on strong smelling substances is common among domestic dogs as well as wolves. Although the object of such behavior is usually carrion or dung, any strong or novel odiferous substance will evoke the response in the wolf--even expensive perfume! (Mech, 1970) Dogs scented in such a manner are immensely interesting to other dogs. To the chagrin and irritation of the owner, the behavior is often exhibited immediately after a bath. Puppies as young as 3 months of age may show the habit. SOME COMMON THEORIES: CAMOUFLAGE: The most common theory for the habit is olfactory camouflage. By rubbing in the strongest ambient smell, the predator might enjoy some slight advantage while stalking its prey. While this theory seems plausible enough, it has been rejected by some authorities based on the hunting techniques of the wolf. OLFACTORY IDENTITY: A second theory suggests that the habit provides a kind of scent identity for the pack--with any strong odor being a sufficient stimulus to infectious and ecstatic rubbing--regardless of the source. Captive wolves have been observed rubbing in the same scented spot until the whole pack is scented with the odor (Klinghammer, personal communication). Fox (1972) has suggested that the dog may be motivated by an "an esthetic appreciation of odors" (1972:222) or such behavior may serve to enhance social recognition and contact (Fox, 1971). SCENT-MARKING: Kleiman (1966) has suggested that the typical physical movement associated with the pattern is intended to impart the animal's scent to the object rubbed upon--not necessarily to receive odor from it. ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION: Morris (1986) has rejected Kleiman's suggestion, arguing that if the canid's intention was to mask the odor with his own odor he would deposit an equally intense smell (feces or urine)--not simply rub on it. He has speculated that a possible purpose for the habit is to obtain and share information with other pack members about the surrounding environment via various scents the scouting wolf has rolled upon. Although pack members show great interest in the returning scout and appear to delight in the smells that he has collected, whether this exchange ever results in the initiation of a hunting sortie has not been determined. To my knowledge there has not been a controlled scientific investigation of this interesting phenomenon. REFERENCES Fox MW (1972). Understanding Your Dog. New York, NY: Coward, McCann & Geoghegan, Inc. Kleiman D (1966). Scent marking in Canidae. Symp Zool Soc, 18:167-177 (reported in Mech). Mech, LD (1970). The Wolf: The Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species. Minneapolis, MN: Univ of Minnesota Press. Morris D (1986). Dogwatching. New York: Crown Publishers, Inc. ^^^^^^^^^^ Steve Lindsay Canine Behavioral Services Philadelphia, PA ^^^^^^^^^^^ Lai Chien Hsun wrote: > > Dear Hans, > > I have had some experience working with wolves and wolf-dog hybrids. I > observed members of a pack, upon discovering the existence of some > interesting scent, proceed to rub parts of their body (especially the back > and side) on the source. When this same member returns to the pack, it is > usually greeted by the other members who seem very excited to discover that > one of them has returned with some exotic scent! It is as though an > explorer who has ventured out of the pack to some foreign land has returned > with "pictures" to show! > > I think this may be a form of communication, whereby pack mates share > individual experiences, and if anyone is interested in the source, they can > be brought there? > > Lai Chien Hsun > Singapore Zoological Gardens > > ---------- > > From: Hans Petter Kjaestad > > To: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca > > Subject: Eau-de -Canide? > > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 4:08 AM > > > > Dear All, > > > > Here's a canine behavior question for you: > > > > >From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing > against > > foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. > The > > procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for > the > > dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). > > > > Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behavior? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hans Petter Kjaestad > > Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine > > Dept. of Small Animal Sciences > > > > hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no From: IN%"sgadbois@is2.dal.ca" "Simon Gadbois" 13-MAR-1998 16:22:44.86 To: IN%"chienlai@singnet.com.sg" "Lai Chien Hsun", IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" "Hans Petter Kjaestad", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? Also: Ryon, Fentress, Harrington, Bragdon (1986). Scent rubbing in wolves (Canis lupus): the effect of novelty. Canadian Journal of Zoology, 64, 573-577. ____________________________________________________ AT DALHOUSIE: Department of Psychology-Neuroscience Life Sciences Centre Dalhousie University Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada, B3H 4J1 sgadbois@is2.dal.ca 902-494-3603 (Fentress's lab, LSC) 902-494-3370 (Moger's lab, Tupper) 902-494-6585 (fax @ Dalhousie) AT ACADIA: Department of Psychology Horton Hall Acadia University Wolfville, Nova Scotia Canada, B0P 1X0 Simon.Gadbois@acadiau.ca Behavioral (social) endocrinology of the wolf (aggression and social stress, urinary cortisol). Sequential and temporal analysis of behavioral sequences in canids (wolves, red foxes & coyotes). Database programming: 902-542-1130 From: IN%"jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp" "Janice Willard" 13-MAR-1998 20:43:44.95 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"Hans.P.Kjaestad@veths.no" Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? At the risk of sounding ridiculously mystical, I have often wondered if this habit of canids was a form of art appreciation. After all, we are primarily visual and auditory creatures and find pleasure in viewing paintings and listening to music, both presentations of great sensory complexity. Canids' olfactory capability is tremendous in comparison to ours, capable of perceiving subtleties and complexities of odors that we can only imagine. What is "foul-smelling" material to us may represent a symphony to them--or an overwhelming sensory presentation, like a Rock concert with accompanying light show. I wonder if there is any way to compare these neurologically? Canids "seem to derive great pleasure" from their scent presentations. I derive pleasure from listening to Bach, Paul Winter and Japanese Taiko (to name a few). How does this improve my fitness? What is the evolutionary benefit of the enjoyment of art? Art appreciation was always another one of those "Hallmarks of Sentience", which, like tool-use, was always supposed to distinguish us from the "mere animals." I've always wondered if this too could be challenged..... Now, when I see a wolf Picasso, who is mixing and choosing scents to present to the pack, then I will be really impressed..... Janice Willard At 09:08 PM 3/12/98 +0100, you wrote: >Dear All, > >Here's a canine behaviour question for you: > >From time to time I have observed dogs rolling around in/ rubbing against >foul-smelling material such as rotting carcasses or fermenting manure. The >procedure seems to involve time and effort, not to mention pleasure for the >dog (as well as strong displeasure for the owner). > >Can anyone make ethological sense out of this behaviour? > > > >Thanks, > >Hans Petter Kjaestad >Norwegian College of Veterinary Medicine >Dept. of Small Animal Sciences > >hans.p.kjaestad@veths.no *************************************************************************** Janice Willard, DVM MS Tokyo 194, Machida-shi Higashi Tamagawa Gakuen 1-33-66 Japan Phone/FAX (81)427-29-4519 Message FAX (81)427-21-2850 jwillard@fly.erato.jst.go.jp From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 14-MAR-1998 00:33:54.30 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"chienlai@singnet.com.sg" CC: Subj: RE: Eau-de -Canide? I have observed this behaviour in domestic dogs several times and I agree with Lai 100% ("Photos"!) But, the question remains how does one solve this problem, bearing in mind it is not always possible to remove the source? Can anyone help please? > I have had some experience working with wolves and wolf-dog hybrids. I > observed members of a pack, upon discovering the existence of some > interesting scent, proceed to rub parts of their body (especially the back > and side) on the source. When this same member returns to the pack, it is > usually greeted by the other members who seem very excited to discover that > one of them has returned with some exotic scent! It is as though an > explorer who has ventured out of the pack to some foreign land has returned > with "pictures" to show! > I think this may be a form of communication, whereby pack mates share > individual experiences, and if anyone is interested in the source, they can > be brought there? > > Lai Chien Hsun > Singapore Zoological Gardens From: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin Walker" 15-MAR-1998 12:03:33.76 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology Network (E-mail)" CC: Subj: Hedonic Setpoints While it is quiet and you are all rolling in smelly stuff I have slipped away and -Returned to the Vomit- (Proverbs xxvi 22). The earlier correspondence on regurgitation by dogs established that vomiting comes naturally to this species. This is of interest because I think a thought thread can be spun out to sterotypies in various species from the following anecdote. A Lurcher who had eaten ratbait was injected with apomorphine to make it vomit. Subsequently it showed marked reluctance to come into my clinic. Now the simple view of this is - 'of course it had an aversive experience and didn't want to return to the place where it happened' A more measured analysis could give a different answer. The typical dog entering a clinic is on a gradient of approach and aversion. The reward for approach is the bond with the owner. The aversion is me in my cubicle. The opposing forces usually equate at the cubicle door and the dog 'oscillates' at this point, torn twixt 'come on Ben!' and the desire to escape. An injection of the dopamine agonist apomorphine does indeed cause emesis but I am not present and the owner pats and praises the dog whilst taking care to KEEP HIM ON THE PAPER! Only when the 6th and usually final vomit has occurred doe the dog escape. I wonder if the reward for escaping is not greatly enhanced by the elevated dopamine. When the dog next attends the oscillation occurs on the path outside. This would accord with the hedonic set point for the gradient being moved down toward escape. The 'cure' is simply for me to walk behind the dog. This reverses the gradient and the dog (with owner) escapes into the clinic and into the cubicle! Hold the thought... In Ethology and Psychopharmacy (Cooper and Hendrie) the induction of stereotypies by apomorphine (p281-9) and amphetamine (p241-263) is discussed and illustrated. Chapter 13 'Amphetamine-induced Stereotypy in Rats: Its Morphogenesis in Locale Space from Normal Exploration' describes the effects of amph. on rats exploring a box. The essence of it all is that the rat explores from a 'home-base. Outward trips are hesitant with many stops. Home trips are quicker with fewer stops. Over an hour the random excursions are increasingly refined to very clearly defined repetitive path. Finally the rat begins to oscillate about the home base only and the last stage is to sit wagging its head. To my mind this is a reflection of increasing tilting the gradient toward the greater reward of escape back to base and in the end shifting the hedonic set-point down scale until reward is achieved without doing very much at all. What has been created is not a nosological entity called 'stereotypy' but a state of accelerated reward which involves the chemistry of addiction. We might have a model here for the conversion of consummatory rituals to increasingly perfunctory routines. Greedy vs. Gourmand; Quickie vs. Lover etc. I feel that we should look again at the effects of these drugs in experiments on such folk as pigs and jumping voles to discern exactly what IS being rewarded. There could after all be such a condition as 'accelerated standing still' :-) Robin From: IN%"zooboy@inu.net" "zooboy@inu.net" 15-MAR-1998 19:49:17.21 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" CC: Subj: Cats and spices I am trying to find information about captive cats and any behavioral response to different cooking spices. To this point I am having problems finding any information on this topic. Does anyone know of literature on this? From: IN%"Per.Jensen@hmh.slu.se" "Per Jensen" 16-MAR-1998 04:55:06.83 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Telepatic horses and dogs Dear all, I brought up this issue some years ago, but the phenomenon seems to be increasing. I was recently asked for comments on a book manuscript on "how to read the minds of animals". This leads me to ask the members of this network again for comments and opinions. Around the world there are an increasing number of "mind-readers", who "speak to" horses and dogs. The animals tell them about their problems: "I do not like hot weather and all the demands from my owners make my skin itch. That's why I do this excessive scratching" (Alsacian, 7-year female). "I get stressed from all rush, I want to have a quiet corner where I can lie down and think about how sad life is" (Dairy cow which did not eat concentrate). "I like to work and I am good at it, but I get depressed from making mistakes. Then I get diarrhea, which helps me getting the shit out" (Horse, 11 years). (The examples are from the manuscript I have just read). Have anyone come in close contact with animal mind-readers? Is anyone familiar with any controlled study of the effects or mechanisms involved? To my mind, this is a frightening and dangerous type of activity, which draws the attention away from scientifically based therapies. I have once offered my participation in designing a double blind trial with a mind-reader, but the person was not interested after all. But maybe other such studies have been carried out? Looking forward to your responses. Best wishes, Per Jensen *********************************************************** PER JENSEN, Professor of Ethology Swedish University of Agricultural Scinces Department of Animal Environment and Health Section of Ethology POB 234, SE-532 23 SKARA, Sweden Tel +46 511 67219 Fax +46 511 67204 E-mail Per.Jensen@hmh.slu.se ***********************************************************