From: IN%"apewelfare@yahoo.co.in" "=?iso-8859-1?q?Dr.=20G.=20Agoramoorthy?=" 1-MAY-2002 03:32:42.00 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"agoram@mail.nsysu.edu.tw" Subj: Human impact on nature in Southeast Asia - Symposium Dear Applied-Ethology Members, We are organizing a symposium titled " Human impact on nature in Southeast Asia - past, present and future challenges" to be held at Florence, Italy during 5-12 July 2003. Colleagues involved in the human-wildlife conflicts in Southeast Asia are encouraged to participate in the symposium. Interested authors who would like to present papers can contact the symposium organizers, Dr. G. Agoramoorthy (agoram@mail.nsysu.edu.tw) or Dr. Minna J. Hsu (hsumin@mail.nsysu.edu.tw) for details. Symposium proceedings will be published. Thank you. -- Dr. G. Agoramoorthy Sun Yat-sen University P.O. Box 59-157 Kaohsiung 80424, Taiwan Tel: 886-75252000 ext. 3623 Fax: 886-75253623 email: agoram@mail.nsysu.edu.tw ________________________________________________________________________ For live cricket scores download Yahoo! Score Tracker at: http://in.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/tracker.html From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 1-MAY-2002 09:43:50.28 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: nutrition --Fw: nytimes - 4.30.02 - Nonfinicky Vulture nytimes - 4.30.02 - Nonfinicky VultureDear John and Andy - I know this isn't what you are discussing with those horses, but = yesterday's Science Times, NY Times. www.nytimes.com - carried this = story -- Clearly, creatures feed on whatever they feed for reasons beyond alot of = considerations. I'm cutting enough paragraphs so I hope sense remains = while copyright is respected. No mention of dominance displays at = feeding sites, but perhaps that's settled _visually_ in any event. -margory cohen April 30, 2002=20 Nonfinicky Vulture Wears Its Toxic Feast All Over Its Face=20 By NATALIE ANGIER=20 Botox and breast implants have nothing on the intimidating beauty ritual = of the Egyptian vulture.=20 The rare Old World bird has long been known to partake of cow and horse = feces, an unusual habit for a vertebrate and one that has earned it = nicknames like churretero and mo=F1iguero, meaning dung eater. Now = researchers in Seville have discovered why the bird craves what most = creatures, including most types of vultures, find repellent.=20 By adding meadow tapas to its carrion diet, the scientists said, the = vulture extracts the carotenoid pigments that it needs to turn its pasty = face a striking shade of yellow. And that hard-won coloring, it seems, = is essential to its sexual appeal. Dr. Juan J. Negro and his colleagues at the Spanish Council for = Research, report their findings in the current issue of the journal = Nature.=20 Carotenoids are so-called antioxidant compounds that plants synthesize = to help protect themselves against sun damage and that make carrots = orange and zucchini yellowish-green.=20 Animals also need trace amounts of carotenoids to survive, but are = unable to manufacture the antioxidants themselves and so must obtain = them through food, either directly from plants or indirectly, from the = flesh of plant-eating prey.=20 Among Egyptian vultures, however, carotenoid demand apparently outstrips = what carrion can offer, forcing the bird to seek supplements. And what = better vitamin store than the excrement of large herbivores like cows, = horses and their hooved relations?=20 "We believe that this is the first demonstration of feces as a source of = carotenoids for vertebrates," Dr. Negro said in a telephone interview.=20 The scientists proved the link between coprophagy and carotenoid intake = by feeding four Egyptian vultures at the Jerez zoo a dung-only diet for = 10 days. At that point, the zookeeper cried foul. The species is too = endangered to take any extended risks. By the end of the project, the = birds' blood was much richer in the carotenoid lutein than it had been = at the beginning.=20 Although the time frame was too brief for the birds' faces to turn = noticeably yellower, Dr. Negro is convinced that the lutein spike, if = sustained, would have left its aesthetic mark. Vultures in the wild with constant access to dung are much more = colorfully complexioned than their dung-deprived counterparts in = captivity, he pointed out.=20 Egyptian vultures are long-lived monogamous birds in which each sex = exhibits a certain amount of choosiness in picking a mate. Hence females = and males alike strive to achieve a high hepatic glow. And the more = excrement they can stomach, the more saturated their faces will be.=20 // [snip -- suggestion that depth of color indicated "bird's relative = quality and vigor..."] // "Excrement can be quite toxic," Dr. Negro said. "It's a cocktail of = parasites, flies and worms, every bit as awful as we imagine."=20 To be an effective indicator of quality, he added, a sexual signal must = be costly and reliable. And the hardest things to fake, alas, are the = hardest things to take http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/30/science/life/30VULT.html=20 From: IN%"deweaver@gte.net" "Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D." 1-MAY-2002 10:50:22.13 To: IN%"whfeep@equine-behavior.com" "WHFEEP", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom Without the animal being able to sense and measure the chemicals in question along with detecting a deficiency, nature can't build a feed back control system. Without a control system, the discussion and experiments are irrelevant and just measuring something someone wishes was true (nature is good if only man didn't screw things up). Answer the first question first. Sensory systems are incomplete and don't measure everything and lets be thankful they don't (assuming you want to kill rats and other vermin). For a human example, we react to MTBE in water at 50 ppb with is irrelevant to several thousand times that concentration, but we can't detect arsenic as a threat at lethal concentrations in our water. Dallas > > >John Burchard wrote: > > >One thing that occurs to me here is that a "point source" of food or >minerals is >fairly alien to horse behavior. The sources they are behaviorally >programmed to >exploit are ordinarily sufficiently dispersed they cannot be monopolized by >higher ranking individuals. We are used to supplying hay in mangers, and salt >licks in blocks, etc., but that does not really correspond very well to the >natural biology of horses or other grazing animals. Even mineral >licks, in arid >regions anyway, are usually playa-like structures big enough to accomodate at >least several individuals at one time, rather than a single block or trough. > >I would expect what you have observed, i.e. that dominance behavior at a point >source would interfere significantly with self-medication even in the presence >of adequate physiological and behavioral mechanisms to guide the intake. > > >I neglected to mention that I had provided three distinct supply >points in an attempt to address the dominance problem, as is often >necessary with water etc - and given the relatively small group size >(from memory around 10 at that time) this should have sorted the >problem - however uptake still appeared to be very uneven. > >Is there any evidence that all individuals within a breed or species >self medicate to the same extent, or indeed that all individuals >self medicate at all? >Given that research work on Sheep has shown up large differences in >immunity to internal parasites, and that this might then suggest >marked differences in an individual's requirement for a basic like >copper....... > >Surely some breed lines of domesticated animal have been produced >that do not self medicate - but under intensive management systems >this never becomes apparent. There has been talk of selective >breeding in order to produce sheep flocks all of which are drawn >from 'parasite immune' parents - if this self medication idea were >to work might it not be reasonable to suggest that a similar >strategy to identify suitable parents from which self medicating >stock could be bred would be required? > >Regards to all >Andy Beck >WHFEEP >Northland, NZ. > > -- Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. Scientific Hatcheries deweaver@gte.net 5542 Engineer Dr. 714-890-0138 Huntington Beach, CA Fax 714-890-3778 92649 From: IN%"dbailey@montana.edu" "Bailey, Derek" 1-MAY-2002 12:34:40.12 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom Fred Provenza at Utah State University has conducted numerous research projects on this subject. I suggest reading some his ideas regarding nutritional wisdom. For example, ruminants can readily associate novel flavors to foods that are high in energy or protein. Later the preferences for these flavors may change in response to the energy/protein ratio of the animals diet. Animals that have low protein diets prefer flavors associated with protein, and animals that receive high protein diets tend to avoid flavors associated with protein and prefer flavors associated with energy. Derek W. Bailey Northern Agricultural Research Center Montana State University Star Route 36 Box 43 Havre, MT 59501 (406) 265-6115 voice (406) 265-8288 fax e-mail: dbailey@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. [mailto:deweaver@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:49 AM To: WHFEEP; Applied Ethology Subject: Re: nutritional wisdom --> Without the animal being able to sense and measure the chemicals in question along with detecting a deficiency, nature can't build a feed back control system. Without a control system, the discussion and experiments are irrelevant and just measuring something someone wishes was true (nature is good if only man didn't screw things up). Answer the first question first. Sensory systems are incomplete and don't measure everything and lets be thankful they don't (assuming you want to kill rats and other vermin). For a human example, we react to MTBE in water at 50 ppb with is irrelevant to several thousand times that concentration, but we can't detect arsenic as a threat at lethal concentrations in our water. Dallas John Burchard wrote: One thing that occurs to me here is that a "point source" of food or minerals is fairly alien to horse behavior. The sources they are behaviorally programmed to exploit are ordinarily sufficiently dispersed they cannot be monopolized by higher ranking individuals. We are used to supplying hay in mangers, and salt licks in blocks, etc., but that does not really correspond very well to the natural biology of horses or other grazing animals. Even mineral licks, in arid regions anyway, are usually playa-like structures big enough to accomodate at least several individuals at one time, rather than a single block or trough. I would expect what you have observed, i.e. that dominance behavior at a point source would interfere significantly with self-medication even in the presence of adequate physiological and behavioral mechanisms to guide the intake. _____ I neglected to mention that I had provided three distinct supply points in an attempt to address the dominance problem, as is often necessary with water etc - and given the relatively small group size (from memory around 10 at that time) this should have sorted the problem - however uptake still appeared to be very uneven. Is there any evidence that all individuals within a breed or species self medicate to the same extent, or indeed that all individuals self medicate at all? Given that research work on Sheep has shown up large differences in immunity to internal parasites, and that this might then suggest marked differences in an individual's requirement for a basic like copper....... Surely some breed lines of domesticated animal have been produced that do not self medicate - but under intensive management systems this never becomes apparent. There has been talk of selective breeding in order to produce sheep flocks all of which are drawn from 'parasite immune' parents - if this self medication idea were to work might it not be reasonable to suggest that a similar strategy to identify suitable parents from which self medicating stock could be bred would be required? Regards to all Andy Beck WHFEEP Northland, NZ. -- Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. Scientific Hatcheries deweaver@gte.net 5542 Engineer Dr. 714-890-0138 Huntington Beach, CA Fax 714-890-3778 92649 From: IN%"mel@etix.com" "Melissa Russo" 1-MAY-2002 13:22:29.52 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom Re: nutritional wisdomI may be totally off-base here, as I am only a student & haven't been following this thread closely, however, this makes me wonder about when sailors used to suffer from scurvy long ago. I always found it interesting that they craved citrus fruits, even though they had no idea what was wrong with them...as if some kind of nutritional instinct took over. Of course we can't sense or measure the vitamin C amount in foods, and I wonder if this happens in people or animals for any other deficiencies...cravings for foods rich in what we are lacking? I have no idea if any studies have been done on this...like take a vitamin C deficient animal & let them choose b/w an apple & orange to see if there is some underlying nutritional instinct? Just some thoughts :) -M ----- Original Message ----- From: Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. To: WHFEEP ; Applied Ethology Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: Re: nutritional wisdom Without the animal being able to sense and measure the chemicals in question along with detecting a deficiency, nature can't build a feed back control system. Without a control system, the discussion and experiments are irrelevant and just measuring something someone wishes was true (nature is good if only man didn't screw things up). Answer the first question first. Sensory systems are incomplete and don't measure everything and lets be thankful they don't (assuming you want to kill rats and other vermin). For a human example, we react to MTBE in water at 50 ppb with is irrelevant to several thousand times that concentration, but we can't detect arsenic as a threat at lethal concentrations in our water. Dallas John Burchard wrote: One thing that occurs to me here is that a "point source" of food or minerals is fairly alien to horse behavior. The sources they are behaviorally programmed to exploit are ordinarily sufficiently dispersed they cannot be monopolized by higher ranking individuals. We are used to supplying hay in mangers, and salt licks in blocks, etc., but that does not really correspond very well to the natural biology of horses or other grazing animals. Even mineral licks, in arid regions anyway, are usually playa-like structures big enough to accomodate at least several individuals at one time, rather than a single block or trough. I would expect what you have observed, i.e. that dominance behavior at a point source would interfere significantly with self-medication even in the presence of adequate physiological and behavioral mechanisms to guide the intake. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I neglected to mention that I had provided three distinct supply points in an attempt to address the dominance problem, as is often necessary with water etc - and given the relatively small group size (from memory around 10 at that time) this should have sorted the problem - however uptake still appeared to be very uneven. Is there any evidence that all individuals within a breed or species self medicate to the same extent, or indeed that all individuals self medicate at all? Given that research work on Sheep has shown up large differences in immunity to internal parasites, and that this might then suggest marked differences in an individual's requirement for a basic like copper....... Surely some breed lines of domesticated animal have been produced that do not self medicate - but under intensive management systems this never becomes apparent. There has been talk of selective breeding in order to produce sheep flocks all of which are drawn from 'parasite immune' parents - if this self medication idea were to work might it not be reasonable to suggest that a similar strategy to identify suitable parents from which self medicating stock could be bred would be required? Regards to all Andy Beck WHFEEP Northland, NZ. -- Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. Scientific Hatcheries deweaver@gte.net 5542 Engineer Dr. 714-890-0138 Huntington Beach, CA Fax 714-890-3778 92649 From: IN%"Carol.Petherick@dpi.qld.gov.au" "Petherick, Carol (TBC)" 1-MAY-2002 16:44:15.06 To: IN%"dbailey@montana.edu" "'Bailey, Derek'", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'ethology'" CC: Subj: RE: nutritional wisdom Hi Derek Yes, I'm very aware of Fred's work in this area - and that of others eg Kyriazakis, Oldham etc - and that's why I said that there'd been lots of experimental work to show that animals could do it. I guess I have concerns about what actually happens in the 'real world', rather than in the 'lab situation'. If animals (ruminants) can select for optimal levels then why don't they? eg the huge variability in supplementary feed intakes, or deaths through excessive intakes of certain substances, or cattle eating totally inappropriate things (eg plastic, wire etc) when they are phosphorus deficient. Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Bailey, Derek [SMTP:dbailey@montana.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2002 4:32 > To: 'ethology' > Subject: RE: nutritional wisdom > > Fred Provenza at Utah State University has conducted numerous research > projects on this subject. I suggest reading some his ideas regarding > nutritional wisdom. For example, ruminants can readily associate novel > flavors to foods that are high in energy or protein. Later the > preferences for these flavors may change in response to the energy/protein > ratio of the animals diet. Animals that have low protein diets prefer > flavors associated with protein, and animals that receive high protein > diets tend to avoid flavors associated with protein and prefer flavors > associated with energy. > > Derek W. Bailey > Northern Agricultural Research Center > Montana State University > Star Route 36 Box 43 > Havre, MT 59501 > > (406) 265-6115 voice > (406) 265-8288 fax > e-mail: dbailey@montana.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. [mailto:deweaver@gte.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:49 AM > To: WHFEEP; Applied Ethology > Subject: Re: nutritional wisdom > > > --> > Without the animal being able to sense and measure the chemicals in > question along with detecting a deficiency, nature can't build a feed back > control system. Without a control system, the discussion and experiments > are irrelevant and just measuring something someone wishes was true > (nature is good if only man didn't screw things up). Answer the first > question first. > > Sensory systems are incomplete and don't measure everything and lets > be thankful they don't (assuming you want to kill rats and other vermin). > > > For a human example, we react to MTBE in water at 50 ppb with is > irrelevant to several thousand times that concentration, but we can't > detect arsenic as a threat at lethal concentrations in our water. > > Dallas > > > > > > John Burchard wrote: > > > > One thing that occurs to me here is that a "point > source" of food or minerals is > fairly alien to horse behavior. The sources they > are behaviorally programmed to > exploit are ordinarily sufficiently dispersed they > cannot be monopolized by > higher ranking individuals. We are used to > supplying hay in mangers, and salt > licks in blocks, etc., but that does not really > correspond very well to the > natural biology of horses or other grazing animals. > Even mineral licks, in arid > regions anyway, are usually playa-like structures > big enough to accomodate at > least several individuals at one time, rather than a > single block or trough. > > I would expect what you have observed, i.e. that > dominance behavior at a point > source would interfere significantly with > self-medication even in the presence > of adequate physiological and behavioral mechanisms > to guide the intake. > > > _____ > > I neglected to mention that I had provided three > distinct supply points in an attempt to address the dominance problem, as > is often necessary with water etc - and given the relatively small group > size (from memory around 10 at that time) this should have sorted the > problem - however uptake still appeared to be very uneven. > > > > Is there any evidence that all individuals within a > breed or species self medicate to the same extent, or indeed that all > individuals self medicate at all? > > Given that research work on Sheep has shown up large > differences in immunity to internal parasites, and that this might then > suggest marked differences in an individual's requirement for a basic like > copper....... > > > > Surely some breed lines of domesticated animal have > been produced that do not self medicate - but under intensive management > systems this never becomes apparent. There has been talk of selective > breeding in order to produce sheep flocks all of which are drawn from > 'parasite immune' parents - if this self medication idea were to work > might it not be reasonable to suggest that a similar strategy to identify > suitable parents from which self medicating stock could be bred would be > required? > > > > Regards to all > > Andy Beck > > WHFEEP > > Northland, NZ. > > > > > > > > -- > > Dallas E. Weaver, Ph.D. Scientific Hatcheries > deweaver@gte.net 5542 Engineer Dr. > 714-890-0138 Huntington Beach, CA > Fax 714-890-3778 92649 > > > ********************************DISCLAIMER**************************** The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. From: IN%"saluqi@ix.netcom.com" "John Burchard" 1-MAY-2002 17:28:02.03 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied ethology list" CC: Subj: RE: nutrition --Fw: nytimes - 4.30.02 - Nonfinicky Vulture margory cohen wrote: > Dear John and Andy -I know this isn't what you are discussing with those > horses, but yesterday's Science Times, NY Times. www.nytimes.com - carried > this story --Clearly, creatures feed on whatever they feed for reasons beyond > alot of considerations. I'm cutting enough paragraphs so I hope sense remains > while copyright is respected. No mention of dominance displays at feeding > sites, but perhaps that's settled _visually_ in any event.-margory > cohen April 30, 2002 > Nonfinicky Vulture Wears Its Toxic Feast All Over Its Face > By NATALIE ANGIER > Botox and breast implants have nothing on the intimidating beauty ritual of > the Egyptian vulture. > The rare Old World bird has long been known to part ake of cow and horse > feces, an unusual habit for a vertebrate and one that has earned it nicknames > like churretero and moñiguero, meaning dung eater. Now researchers in Seville > have discovered why the bird craves what most creatures, including most types > of vultures, find repellent. > > By adding meadow tapas to its carrion diet, the scientists said, the vulture > extracts the carotenoid pigments that it needs to turn its pasty face a > striking shade of yellow . And that hard-won coloring, it seems, is essential > to its sexual appeal. [snip] > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/30/science/life/30VULT.html This is curious in several respects. The Egyptian vulture (Neophron percnopterus) is widespread and AFAIK rather abundant in many parts of Africa. Its range extends into the Middle East (at least into Saudi Arabia). Perhaps it is endangered in Spain, which under modern conditions must be close to the ecological limits of its range? Modern animal husbandry no longer provides an abundance of carrion ... although when I lived on a horse farm in Spain we did put any dead horses out on an exposed hillside for the benefit of the vultures (mostly Griffon vultures Gyps fulvus, with the occasional Black vulture Aegypius monachus) who quickly took advantage of the offering. An excellent source of carotenoids, and one exploited by many predatory birds, is the yolk of unlaid eggs in the body of a female quarry. I know from personal experience that falcons and hawks seek that out. In the wild of course that is available only on a seasonal basis. The Egyptian vulture is well known as one of the few birds to use a tool. Confronted with an ostrich egg, they will fetch a small stone and strike the egg with it until the shell breaks. That's another way to get carotenoids, of course. Egyptian vultures are quick to exploit any unguarded ostrich egg, and presumably also any smaller eggs they may come across. Another good source of carotenoids is the yellow body fat of many birds. That too is eaten intentionally by raptors - something you can see especially when as a falconer you may be observing the feeding behavior of a falcon or hawk which is under some degree of nutritional deprivation because of its diet in captivity. Knowledge of how to feed captive hawks is better and more widely distributed than it was a few decades ago, but my own recollections of this go back more than 40 years ... I can think of some other birds in which carotenoid deposition in facial skin, or occasionally elsewhere (feet, feathers) seems to be an indication of reproductive status ... perhaps it's an indicator of good nutrition, which might be a useful criterion for partner selection ... John -- John Burchard Tepe Gawra Salukis http://saluqi.home.netcom.com/ saluqi@ix.netcom.com From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 1-MAY-2002 18:53:32.59 To: IN%"DEERHOUND-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM" "deerhound-l", IN%"CANGEN-L@mercury.cc.uottawa.ca" "Canine Genetics Discussion Group on Univ. of Ottawa listserv", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"BalancedTrainers@yahoogroups.com" "B-T" CC: Subj: dog skulls Hello - Please forgive the cross post but I think this interesting and have to relay. A lady in sighthound-l gets all credit for the discovery. There are several dog skulls, not just the Saluki and I think it's fascinating to see the variations in form. Not the first time I've lost my head. margory cohen http://catalog.universal-net.com/pageserver.php3?clid=bc&cat=&sku=BC-126 From: IN%"johnwade@ethological.com" "Ethological Communication" 1-MAY-2002 19:02:49.65 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology Mailing List" CC: Subj: Dogs with Odd-Jobs One of the people that used to work on a show I occasionally appear on contacted me regarding her new job which is research for the Dogs with Jobs television series. She is looking for ideas. I came up with one that they hadn't done a show on and thought this list might have some others pertaining to dogs with unusual jobs, breeds doing jobs not normally associated with them etc. Email me privately and I will forward any and all. Regards, John Wade Canine Behaviourist 519-871-0113 http://www.ethological.com johnwade@ethological.com From: IN%"filip.mulkens@pfd.kuleuven.ac.be" "Filip Mulkens" 2-MAY-2002 12:42:13.60 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "AE-Network" CC: Subj: Fw: [COMPMED] NIH> Methods & Welfare Considerations in Behavioral Research with Animals Dear all For your information. Kind regards Filip Dr. Filip Mulkens, DVM Lab Animal Centre, K.U.Leuven Herestraat 49 B-3000 Leuven Belgium E-mail: filip.mulkens@pfd.kuleuven.ac.be ************************************ 1st Symposium of the BCLAS Working Group of Biotechnicians and Animal Caretakers Leuven, Friday October 4th, 2002 http://www.kuleuven.ac.be/bclas2002 ************************************ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Boschert DVM" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: [COMPMED] NIH> Methods & Welfare Considerations in Behavioral Research with Animals > FYI... > > New publication on Methods and Welfare Considerations in Behavioral Research > with Animals....can download in Adobe PDF or Word Doc. > > See http://www.nimh.nih.gov/research/animals.cfm > > Ken > -- > Ken Boschert, DVM > Washington University > Division of Comparative Medicine > St. Louis, MO 63110 > http://dcminfo.wustl.edu/ > Phone: 314-362-3773 Fax: 314-362-6480 From: IN%"bcsmith@capital.net" 3-MAY-2002 13:57:51.01 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: farm worker training series I have a question to ask the collective wisdom of the list. Is there anyone out there with a complete series of farm worker training materials relating to care and well being (farrow to slaughter for pigs, from calving to slaughter for dairy and beef)? If so, is it available in English? I can find many things that could be used to aid the development of a training program: articles; proceedings; books; chapters in books, handbooks; codes of practice; a video here or there on handling or management; government databases; a bit of news of various organizations working on training materials. I can even find an abstract on a paper that describes how stockperson training had effects on pig behavior. G.J. Coleman, P.H. Hemsworth, M. Hay, and M. Cox (2000). Modifying stockperson attitudes and behaviour toward pigs at a large commercial farm. Applied Animal Behaviour Science 66(1/2): 11-20. But I can't seem to find a program in one package already available to producers. Thanks, Cynthia P. Smith, M.S. Technical Information Specialist USDA/ARS/ NAL Animal Welfare Information Center bcsmith@capital.net From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 8-MAY-2002 07:21:41.39 To: IN%"DEERHOUND-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM" "deerhound-l", IN%"gazehound-too@yahoogroups.com" "gazehound-too", IN%"CANGEN-L@mercury.cc.uottawa.ca" "Canine Genetics Discussion Group on Univ. of Ottawa listserv", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Bandit Note from "A Common Reader" about the re-issue of _Bandit: Dossier of a Dangerous Dog_ by Vicki Hearne. Which I send not to promote a commercial site, but for chance to read some excerpts and reminder that it's still an important and, sadly, still current. Year before last, Alkadine Press re-issued _Adam's Task_, with an introduction by Mr. McCaig and both were beautifully presented, so I have no doubt this one will be, too. margory > "With a new Introduction by John Hollander and a new Postscript by Donald McCaig." > > "Bandit: Dossier of a Dangerous Dog" by Vicki Hearne > http://www.commonreader.com/pr011444/0507BW > For AOL users: href="http://www.commonreader.com/pr011444/0507BW">Bandit From: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "Anna Olsson" 9-MAY-2002 02:45:05.24 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: animal rights activist kills extreme-right politician? Dear all, My first reaction when hearing about the murder of the Dutch populist/extreme-right politician Pim Fortuyn was anguish. Certainly for the terrible action it is to take someone's life (no matter how unrighteous his/her views may appear). But also for the political consequences of this. What could serve the resistance against the extreme-right wave sweeping Europe at the moment worse than a crime such as this committed in the name of this very same resistance? Realising that an animal rights' activist is being prosecuted for the murder obviously does not relieve my soul. A political murder, one week before elections in a democratic country, seems a heavy burden to carry for the work in defending the animals. I know we all disagree profoundly with the views of extreme animal rights' activists and especially their advocacy of violence. I sincerely hope that people in general, with or without political agendas, also understand the difference. Yours sincerely, Anna Olsson Anna Olsson MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto, Portugal From: IN%"J.G.van_Dijk.neur@lumc.nl" "Dijk, J.G. van (NEUR)" 9-MAY-2002 03:07:53.68 To: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "'Anna Olsson'", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: animal rights activist kills extreme-right politician? No A view from the Netherlands: First and foremost, Fortuyn caused a great deal of confusion because he did not fit into a recognizable political filed. That's why, on trying to understand what he wanted, established political parties and the press started labeling him as 'extreme right', which proved to be incorrect. Does a openly gay person who dislikes violence, who says he likes to sleep with Moroccan boys and who wants to abolish the monarchy strike you as being in the same league as Haider or Le Pen? (and do you see why he was not easy to pin down?) He was a populist more than anything else. This difference was only being recognised gradually, and has been accelerated now after his death. So: there was a murder, but not of an extreme-right politician. Apart from that, most people in the Netherlands can and do distinguish between the acts of one deluded idiot and a movement striving to improve animal welfare. There will probably be a reaction against animal activists who take the law into their own hands, but if this horrid affair shows anything, it is that such a course of action must indeed not be allowed. -----Original Message----- From: Anna Olsson [mailto:olsson@ibmc.up.pt] Sent: donderdag 9 mei 2002 10:43 To: Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca Subject: animal rights activist kills extreme-right politician? Dear all, My first reaction when hearing about the murder of the Dutch populist/extreme-right politician Pim Fortuyn was anguish. Certainly for the terrible action it is to take someone's life (no matter how unrighteous his/her views may appear). But also for the political consequences of this. What could serve the resistance against the extreme-right wave sweeping Europe at the moment worse than a crime such as this committed in the name of this very same resistance? Realising that an animal rights' activist is being prosecuted for the murder obviously does not relieve my soul. A political murder, one week before elections in a democratic country, seems a heavy burden to carry for the work in defending the animals. I know we all disagree profoundly with the views of extreme animal rights' activists and especially their advocacy of violence. I sincerely hope that people in general, with or without political agendas, also understand the difference. Yours sincerely, Anna Olsson Anna Olsson MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto, Portugal From: IN%"pajor@purdue.edu" "Edmond Pajor" 9-MAY-2002 09:02:18.98 To: IN%"ISAEnet-l@usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Post-doc position Revised Postdoc Announcement -Locally Funded Position 10-25-2001 ANNOUNCEMENT NO: RA-02- POSITION: Title(s) Research Animal Scientist (Ethologist) LOCATION: Ames, IA DESCRIPTION OF DUTIES: This is a Postdoctoral position available at the USDA, ARS, National Animal Disease Center, Ames, IA, to study the relationship between stress, behavior, and pre-harvest food safety in swine. Emphasis will be on transportation and marketing stress and its effect on Salmonella load and shedding in swine. This project, funded by the USDA, ARS, Livestock Behavior Research Unit at Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN, is part of an ongoing collaborative effort to identify/develop management systems that minimize or eliminate the problems of pre-harvest food safety and pathogenic contamination. QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS: Ph.D. in animal science, microbiology, or related field is required. The position will require knowledge of swine physiology, animal behavior, and microbiology. FOR INFORMATION ON SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS, SALARY, BENEFITS, OR APPLICATION FORMS, CONTACT: Margy Trout Human Resources Specialist USDA/ARS/Human Resources Division 5601 Sunnyside Avenue Beltsville, MD 20705-5106 Phone: 301-504-1580 Fax: 301-504-1417 FOR SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THIS POSITION OR TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, CONTACT: Dr. Donald Lay Livestock Behavior Research Unit Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907 or Dr. Tom Stabel USDA,ARS,NADC 2300 Dayton Ave., PHFSED/A-5 Ames, A 50010 515-663-7292 Phone: (765) 496-7750 Fax: (765) 496-1993 Email: layd@purdue.edu Ed Pajor, Ph.D Assistant Professor Animal Behavior and Welfare Department of Animal Sciences Purdue University 1026 Poultry Building., Room 207 West Lafayette, IN-1026 47907 Phone: 765-496-6665 Fax: 765-494-9347 E-mail: pajor@purdue.edu From: IN%"pajor@purdue.edu" "Edmond Pajor" 9-MAY-2002 09:14:18.31 To: IN%"ISAEnet-l@usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Graduate student position GRADUATE STUDIES IN POULTRY ETHOLOGY, WELFARE, AND NEUROSCIENCES A MS or Ph.D graduate student stipend is available starting August 2002 to study the cellular and molecular mechanisms of stressor-induced neuronal plasticity and behavioral adaptation in poultry with Dr. Heng-wei Cheng in the USDA-ARS, Livestock Behavior Research Unit, W. Lafayette, IN. Dr. Cheng is a research neuroscientist at the Livestock Behavior Research Unit, the USDA-ARS, an adjunct faculty member in the Department of Animal Sciences, and a research faculty of the Neuroscience Program, at Purdue University. The successful applicant will be involved in research to determine the behavioral, neuroanatomical and neurophysiological indicators of animal welfare and to investigate management practices that affect poultry welfare. The successful applicant should have a BS in animal science or biology and have a strong interest in both animal behavior and physiology or neuroscience. A co-operative approach with an inter-disciplinary team is required. For position information, interested applicants should contact Dr. Cheng; Telephone: 765-494-8022; or email: hwcheng@purdeu.edu. To address specific qualification requirements and application instructions, applicants should contact Graduate Studies Office, Animal Science Department, 1151 Lilly Hall, Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN 47007-1151, or via website: http://www.ansc.purdue.edu. Additional information regarding the Graduate School of Purdue University can be accessed at website http://www.purdue.edu/GradSchool Applications will be received until the position is filled. The USDA-ARS and Purdue University is Equal Opportunity /Affirmative Action Employer. Ed Pajor, Ph.D Assistant Professor Animal Behavior and Welfare Department of Animal Sciences Purdue University 1026 Poultry Building., Room 207 West Lafayette, IN-1026 47907 Phone: 765-496-6665 Fax: 765-494-9347 E-mail: pajor@purdue.edu From: IN%"mel@etix.com" "Melissa Russo" 9-MAY-2002 10:07:07.63 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: animal rights activist kills extreme-right politician? No > Apart from that, most people in the Netherlands can and do distinguish > between the acts of one deluded idiot and a movement striving to improve > animal welfare. There will probably be a reaction against animal activists > who take the law into their own hands, but if this horrid affair shows > anything, it is that such a course of action must indeed not be allowed. > I can't say that people make that distinction in the US. Common people group animal rights activists with crazy nazis & violence...at least it has been so in my experience...and I'm sure that this latest killing will not help matters :( -M ---------- Melissa Russo mel@etix.com "What do we live for if not to make life less difficult for each other?" -George Eliot From: IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk" "Chris Sherwin" 9-MAY-2002 10:19:21.02 To: IN%"mel@etix.com" "Melissa Russo" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: animal rights activist kills extreme-right politician? No I think we might need to be a little careful with language here - the first posting refers to 'a movement striving to improve welfare.' whereas the second refers to '...animal rights activists...'. The two are most definitely not the same and we should take every opportunity to inform people of this to try to stop the sometimes blurred perception of what 'animal welfare' is about. Regards to all, Chris On Thu, 09 May 2002 12:04:48 -0400 Melissa Russo wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dijk, J.G. van (NEUR)" > > > Apart from that, most people in the Netherlands can and do distinguish > > between the acts of one deluded idiot and a movement striving to improve > > animal welfare. There will probably be a reaction against animal activists > > who take the law into their own hands, but if this horrid affair shows > > anything, it is that such a course of action must indeed not be allowed. > > > > I can't say that people make that distinction in the US. Common people > group animal rights activists with crazy nazis & violence...at least it has > been so in my experience...and I'm sure that this latest killing will not > help matters :( > -M > > ---------- > Melissa Russo > mel@etix.com > > "What do we live for if not to make life less difficult for each other?" > -George Eliot > > ............................................................. Dr C.M. Sherwin UFAW Research Fellow (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) Centre for Behavioural Biology, Department of Clinical Veterinary Science, University of Bristol, Langford House, Langford, BS40 5DU, U.K. Tel: [44] (0)117 928 9486 Fax: [44] (0)117 928 9582 email: Chris.Sherwin@bristol.ac.uk From: IN%"rondog@btinternet.com" "Jon Bowen" 11-MAY-2002 04:41:13.39 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied ethology" CC: Subj: Jobs? Hi, a friend of mine from the states is looking for work as a research assisitant in fields relating to vet med and behaviour. Preferably reasonable travelling distance from London area. He needs some work whilst getting sorted out for application to vet college next year. Is there anything going around? I know it's a long shot. If so then let me know and I will get him to submit a CV. Cheers, Jon From: IN%"p.l.p.vanloo@las.vet.uu.nl" "Pascalle van Loo" 13-MAY-2002 01:56:12.49 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Re:animal rights activist kills extreme-right politician? No Another view from a dutch animal welfarist Dear all, I wholeheartedly agree with J. van Dijk. Mr Fortuyn was certainly no extreme right. In fact, his political program contained both left and right views, which is why it is so difficult to pin him down. As far as I can judge the matter, the accused person was someone who tried to do good to the environment by legal force. He and his colleagues searched for expanding businesses that put a strain on the environment (e.g. intensive farming industry), and sued them whenever they knew these businesses were braking the environmental law. They won about 80% of the cases. So although his organisation was a nuisance to many intensive farming industries, they did nothing illegal. The dutch media hardly touch on the alleged reason why the accused might have murdered Pim Fortuyn (he has still not given a statement), and the general view is still that is was done for Fortuyn's right-wing ideas on immigrants, and the fact that his ideas have been put in the wrong perspective by other politicians and the media. I strongly believe that this is not the case. Some of Fortuyn's statements gave the strong impression that animal welfare was of no importance to him. He wanted to reverse the new dutch law that will forbid mink farming, and he thought it was a good idea to increase the intensive pig industry by building high storage buildings for pigs. This may have made the accused, who was already overworked, flip completely. This irrational murder is a black page in dutch history, not only for democracy, but also for animal welfare, and I certainly hope that the consequences for us, who try hard to improve animal welfare in a rational way, will be minimal. I for one am prepared to work hard to keep the focus on matters of animal welfare before this whole thing is blown out of proportions. Pascalle Van Loo ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Department of Laboratory Animal Science Utrecht University P.O. Box 80.166 3508 TD UTRECHT The Netherlands Tel: ** 00 31 30 2533818 / 2532033 Fax: ** 00 31 30 2537997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: IN%"skelligs@yahoo.com" "aoife ortega" 13-MAY-2002 17:25:52.16 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: question hi everyone! my friend asked me what can she do, she has 1 cat, who kills birds, he brings them to her place and tryend to eat them, one's i read in a magazine, that cat's brings death animals as a gift to theur owners, i dont know if that is true, i know, that that's a part of nature, but she would prefer that her cat stops doing it I hope you can give me some advises thenks for your time Aoife Ortega O'Sullivan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From: IN%"katpad@sahara.com.sa" "F J & K E O'Flynn" 14-MAY-2002 00:32:31.07 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Introduction I would like to introduce myself as a new subscriber to the applied ethology listserve. I have worked for the last nine years in the field of animal welfare/rescue here in Saudi Arabia. Although I have no formal qualifications, I am very interested in learning more about animal behaviour with the idea of improving the welfare of the animals which more often than not find themselves in our care through no fault of their own. Whilst the majority of the animals in our care come to us as kittens and puppies and we are able to socialize them in readiness for rehoming, we do deal with animals, particularly dogs, with behavioural problems. Problems range from housetraining or rather lack of, through house wrecking to aggression including attacking fosterers and new owners. One of my main concerns is the welfare of animals in long-term foster care particularly those in cages which then go to homes only to be brought back due to problems such as inappropriate urination/defecation, chewing, barking, scratching furniture or aggression. With new-found knowledge I hope to encourage owners to keep their animals and work through various behavioural problems which arise. Kate O'Flynn From: IN%"woodstock@dial.pipex.com" "Emma Leckie" 14-MAY-2002 06:04:37.29 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"joannew@ILPH.Org" "Joanne White" Subj: Transportation of horses for slaughter Dear All, Please allow me to introduce myself as a new member of the forum. Along = with my own personal interest in horse and dog behaviour, I am a = researcher for the International League for the Protection of Horses = (ILPH) and am currently writing a substantial report on the = transportation of slaughter horses into the EU. The report is to cover = horse numbers, source countries and destination within the EU, horsemeat = import and intra EU trade, consumption figures, trends and of course = relevant recent research on transport stress, acceptable journey times, = the need for feeding and watering, rest stops etc. I have looked in = detail at the recent work of Friend, Stull and Grandin and a limited = amount of research done on the physiological effect of transport on = performance horses - not much of which is relevant due to the disparity = of the conditions under which these animals are transported. If any body = has any relevant information or can recommend up to date references = that I might not have come across your comments would be very much = appreciated.=20 Yours Sincerely, Emma Leckie From: IN%"katpad@sahara.com.sa" "F J & K E O'Flynn" 14-MAY-2002 06:17:48.86 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: question Would it be impertinent of me to suggest the cat wears a bright fluorescent coloured, elasticated/quick-release collar with a bell or two sewn onto the top of the collar? Having watched my three little predators wearing said collars and bells beneath their chins, they appear to hold their heads very still whilst stalking. Yet whilst stalking wearing collars with bells on top, more noise was produced and I wonder if the birds not only hear the ''warning bells'' but see a flash of bright colour which also alerts them to imminent danger? I first saw these collars in New Zealand and I was wondering if they had been made to try and protect their indigenous fauna from feline predators. I keep my cats in at night to minimize fights with other neighbourhood cats. I realized that when being let out early in the morning they would soon be back home with their ''catch of the day''. But if I let them out at say 7.30am fewer birds were brought home. I wonder if cats bring their prey home as they feel it is safe to do so knowing another cat can't 'steal' it from them. However, my cats seemed to grow wise to the fact that if they brought home their dinner then I would promptly remove the bird from their jaws and either bury or place in a dark room to get over the shock. I have also noticed that nearly all the birds brought home were either fledglings/young birds or doves with pox. I think they mostly catch the ill/weakest/smallest prey, unlike man who often hunts the biggest and the strongest prey. Cannot say the same for the lizards who whilst warming themselves in the day's first rays of sunshine would promptly find themselves tailless in my utility room being batted from one end to the other........ Regards, Kate O'Flynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "aoife ortega" To: Sent: 14 May, 2002 2:25 AM Subject: question > hi everyone! > my friend asked me what can she do, she has 1 cat, who > kills birds, he brings them to her place and tryend to > eat them, one's i read in a magazine, that cat's > brings death animals as a gift to theur owners, i dont > know if that is true, i know, that that's a part of > nature, but she would prefer that her cat stops doing > it > I hope you can give me some advises > > thenks for your time > > Aoife Ortega O'Sullivan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > From: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com" 14-MAY-2002 11:36:40.38 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: papers seeked Hello everyone, I am in search for any articles/research/studies/papers pertaining to dogs being kept tied as containment. I am interested in behaviors connected with exposer to high activity such as children. Also, results of stressed induced behavior. Thank you in advance, George Phillip Quinlan All About Dogs Behavior Center Cat Mousam Rd Kennebunk Me 04043 207-985-6700 From: IN%"psimonet@petalk.org" "Patricia Simonet" 14-MAY-2002 11:49:03.72 To: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: papers seeked on 5/14/02 10:36 AM, GPQUINLAN@aol.com at GPQUINLAN@aol.com wrote: > I am in search for any articles/research/studies/papers pertaining to dogs > being kept tied as containment. I am interested in behaviors connected with > exposer to high activity such as children. Also, results of stressed induced > behavior. > > Thank you in advance, > George Phillip Quinlan Dear George, There was an article in the last year on Tie-out vs chainlink kennels. The article was in the Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science. I am sorry I am right in the middle of a move so my journals are all packed and I cannot help you beyond the journal name. There was also another article in the same journal (not same issue) on aggression and electronic containment systems (invisible fencing). Trisha ----------------------------------------- PeTalk - because our pets matter Patricia Simonet Animal Behaviorist P.O. Box 6735 Incline Village, NV 89450-6735 www.petalk.org psimonet@petalk.org 775 831 8970 775 831 8979 FAX ----------------------------------------- From: IN%"slindsay@ix.netcom.com" "Steve Lindsay" 14-MAY-2002 11:55:51.14 To: IN%"GPQUINLAN@aol.com" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: papers seeked Hi George, Here's a recent article that might be interest to you: Yeon SC, Golden G, Sung W, et al. (2001). A comparison of tethering and pen confinement in dogs. Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science, 4(4):257-270. Steve Lindsay GPQUINLAN@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am in search for any articles/research/studies/papers pertaining to dogs > being kept tied as containment. I am interested in behaviors connected with > exposer to high activity such as children. Also, results of stressed induced > behavior. > > Thank you in advance, > George Phillip Quinlan > > All About Dogs > Behavior Center > Cat Mousam Rd > Kennebunk Me 04043 > 207-985-6700 From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 14-MAY-2002 14:33:10.04 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: papers seeked Oh - please may I piggy-back into this request - and excuse for writing over yours please (email formatting). In San Francisco, CA, currently we are threatened with a proposed dog pen plan for most of the City's parks. Is there any thing yet which reports on increase in bites, behaviour trouble by these kinds of so-called "dog parks?" In advance, sincere thanks, margory cohen with the Deerhounds ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lindsay To: GPQUINLAN@aol.com Cc: Applied-ethology@skyway.usask.ca Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: Re: papers seeked Hi George, Here's a recent article that might be interest to you: Yeon SC, Golden G, Sung W, et al. (2001). A comparison of tethering and pen confinement in dogs. Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science, 4(4):257-270. Steve Lindsay GPQUINLAN@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, I am in search for any articles/research/studies/papers pertaining to dogs being kept tied as containment. I am interested in behaviors connected with exposer to high activity such as children. Also, results of stressed induced behavior. Thank you in advance, George Phillip Quinlan All About Dogs Behavior Center Cat Mousam Rd Kennebunk Me 04043 207-985-6700 From: IN%"dmb16@cam.ac.uk" "Donald Broom" 15-MAY-2002 05:56:54.06 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"woodstock@dial.pipex.com", IN%"joannew@ILPH.Org" Subj: Transportation of horses for slaughter Dear Emma The latest review of the scientific literature on the welfare of horses, cattle, sheep and pigs during transport is a report of the EU Scientific Committee on Animal Health and Animal Welfare (I chaired the working group). The report can be found at: http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scah/outcome_en.html This does not have direct information on horse numbers etc but some of the references may help. Don Broom YOUR QUERY WAS: Dear All, Please allow me to introduce myself as a new member of the forum. Along with my own personal interest in horse and dog behaviour, I am a researcher for the International League for the Protection of Horses (ILPH) and am currently writing a substantial report on the transportation of slaughter horses into the EU. The report is to cover horse numbers, source countries and destination within the EU, horsemeat import and intra EU trade, consumption figures, trends and of course relevant recent research on transport stress, acceptable journey times, the need for feeding and watering, rest stops etc. I have looked in detail at the recent work of Friend, Stull and Grandin and a limited amount of research done on the physiological effect of transport on performance horses - not much of which is relevant due to the disparity of the conditions under which these animals are transported. If any body has any relevant information or can recommend up to date references that I might not have come across your comments would be very much appreciated. Yours Sincerely, Emma Leckie -- Professor Donald M. Broom Colleen Macleod Professor of Animal Welfare President Department of Clinical Veterinary Medicine St Catharine's College University of Cambridge Cambridge CB2 1RL CAMBRIDGE CB3 0ES U.K. U.K. Telephone 0044 (0)1223 337697 01223 338344 Fax 0044 (0)1223 337610 e-mail (secretary) ga207@cam.ac.uk