From: IN%"NEWBERRY@BCRSAG.AGR.CA" 19-NOV-1993 16:49:59.36 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE message test Greetings from Lotus Land (...it's raining here as usual). Yes, it feels great to be a charter member (and I want a certificate, too!). I tried using the reply command but this appears to send the message to Joe only. So now, I've typed in the applied-ethology address, and assume that all of you (whoever you are) are being blessed by this message. I spent the morning talking to reps. from the B.C. government and Ag. Canada about standards for free range egg production. We have producers here of free-range eggs and "free-run" eggs. I suggested that they don't reinvent the wheel but use the EC standards for free-range, deep litter, aviary and cage production. I'ld be interested to hear your opinions on this (are the EC standards logical? workable?). And another big question - should layers have litter? Adios from Ruth Newberry. ============================================================================== From: IN%"STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca" 22-NOV-1993 09:37:59.53 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: How the system (works) Those of you receiving this message are subscribed to the Applied-ethology network. In reality it is only a mailserver program at the University of Saskatchewan which receives messages and redistributes them to "subscribers". To send a message to Applied-ethology use the address: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Once your message has been received at the University of Saskatchewan it will redistribute it to subscribers listing YOU as the source of the message. Everyone's header will show where the message has originated from, for example your header for this message should look like this: From: stookey@sask.usask.ca Or something very close to that. Therefore if you use the REPLY function you will be sending a message back to me (stookey@sask.usask.ca) and NOT to the entire network. You can tell that a message has gone to the entire network by looking at the "To:" line in your header, which will read: TO: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Or is should read something very close to that. In the future, everyone who subscribes to "Applied-ethology" should receive a more detailed "Welcome message" which will outline how to use the network, send messages, etc., in the hope that each new subscriber does not need to send test messages to see where they go and who is receiving them. There are still a few "unknowns" about the system which I will try to understand and pass on to each of you for your information. I know that the e-mail addresses for some countries require a different order in the fully-qualified-domain-name for us to successfully send a message to users in the UK, different from the fully-qualified-domain- name listed in the ISAE directory. This may mean that people in the UK or outside of N.America may have trouble SUBCRIBing themselves. Anyway, please be patient with the process and thank you for your willingness to subject yourselves to useless messages this early in the set up. I think it can be rewarding for all of us once we are up and running. Joe Stookey ============================================================================== From: IN%"STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca" 22-NOV-1993 18:35:36.60 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Welcome message What has started as an idea and an attempt to develop an e-mail network for people interested in Applied Animal Ethology has quickly (3 days) developed into an impressive list of subscribers. Much of the credit goes to Jeff Rushen who has subscribed names and e-mail addresses to the list faster than we could figure out how the system was working. (Jeff's idea of testing the system is to add everyone he knows.) When many of you were added, you simply received a small message which indicated that you were successfully subscribed onto the Applied-ethology network. In the future, any new subscriber will receive a message which outlines the intended purpose of the network, along with a few simple guidelines on how to use the system. So the purpose of this message is to bring you all up to date and share with you the message that all new subscribers will be receiving. You, of course, will always remain as the select few who have had the opportunity to read the intriguing dialogue between people who tested the system! For the future subscribers to Applied-ethology: PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE CAREFULLY AND SAVE FOR LATER REFERENCE. You are now subscribed to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY. This e-mail network was set up for the exchange of information, discussions, announcements, news items, etc. that are of interest to people working and studying in the field of applied animal ethology. This network was the initiative of members from the ISAE (International Society for Applied Ethologist) with the help of computer systems experts from the University of Saskatchewan. Non-ISAE members, with an interest in applied animal ethology, are welcome to participate. REMOVAL FROM NETWORK: If at anytime you wish to be removed from the network, send message to: applied-ethology-request@sask.usask.ca Within the text of your message (NOT at the subject header) you must type the command: UNSUBSCRIBE applied ethology username@fqdn (Where fqdn means fully-qualified-domain-name ie sask.usask.ca) RECEIVING AND SENDING MESSAGES: ALL messages which you receive from Applied-ethology will come to you, listing the originator of the message on the "From:" line in your header. The "To:" line in your header will indicate that the message was sent to the Applied- ethology network and it has been forwarded to all subscribers. If you wish to REPLY to a message (using your REPLY function) your message will be SENT to the originator and NOT the entire network. Therefore, each time you wish to send a message to the entire network you MUST address each message to: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Any difficulties you may have in sending messages can usually be answered by your local computer support staff. Any additional questions about this network, which are not intended to be read by the entire network, should be sent to: stookey@sask.usask.ca When using this network we ask that you please refrain from the use of profanity and avoid comments which could be interpreted as a personal attack on someone with an opposing viewpoint. Disagreements should be stated in a manner fitting an open forum or public debate. We ask that you take the time to introduce yourself to the network at your earliest convenience and briefly state your interest. We welcome you to the Applied-ethology network and ask you to participate, contribute and enjoy! Joseph M. Stookey stookey@sask.usask.ca =============================================================================== From: IN%"IDUNCAN@APS.UoGuelph.CA" 23-NOV-1993 09:53:43.76 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE summer meeting 1996 Dear A-E Subscribers, You may know that the ISAE International Meeting/Symposium/Conference (or whatever it is called) is due to be held in Guelph, Ontario during the summer of 1996. I am trying to decide on dates that (a) will not clash with other (important) meetings that year, but (b) may give overseas delegates the opportunity of attending other meeting(s). I have been able to assemble the following list of dates and venues for 1996 :- June 16-19, American Dairy Science Assoc. Oregon State July 15-30 World Avian Endocrinology Guelph? or elsewhere in Ontario July 22-26 American Soc. of Animal Sci. Rapid City, S. Dakota ? Poultry Sci. Assoc. U. of Georgia Can anyone add to this list? Does anyone know the venue and dates of the Animal Behavior Society meeting that year? (which might be the one that most delegates would choose to attend - but not necessarily - ASAS might be popular too. I would be really grateful for more information and for feedback on any of this. When do you think that the meeting should be (we should at least arrange the meeting to suit Canadians and Americans!). A fairly quick response would be appreciated since Harold Gonyou is meant to give Council some information in December this year. Congratulations to Jeff and Joe for setting up this network! Yours, Ian (Duncan) ============================================================================= From: IN%"GONYOU@sask.usask.ca" 23-NOV-1993 12:05:46.92 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Applied Ethology Newsletter A-E Network Members, Welcome to the network. I am pleased to see Ruth and Ian have already made use of it to get information from all of us. I am also asking for some feedback. The ISAE Council will be meeting next week. Do you have any concerns that you would like raised. We will be discussing future meetings, our issue of Applied Animal Behaviour Science and several other topics. We have had several issues of a revised Newsletter format. Please let me know if you find it interesting and helpful. Thanks, Harold Gonyou ============================================================================== From: IN%"STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca" 24-NOV-1993 12:23:17.40 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Tail docking dairy cattle Dear A-E subscribers, Just so you didn't think my sole purpose in life was to send messages to this network describing how it works (and in hopes of joining the elite group (as designated by Mike Appleby) of Ruth Newberry and Ian Duncan, who make meaningful contributions!), I would like to ask this question: Which countries are currently allowing (and practicing) tail docking of dairy cattle? I know NZ and the U.S. have dairy cattle with tails docked and I have a document which indicates the practice is prohibited in the UK except in emergencies, but what about other countries? I would also like to get a feel whether countries are moving towards or away from this practice. I will be speaking to a large group of dairy producers in Canada and would like to mention this issue. I personally feel the arguements in favour of such a procedure for dairy cattle in Canada are weak and I am therefore opposed to see it begin in Canada. Any responses you care to make would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Joe Stookey =============================================================================== From: IN%"evonbor@iastate.edu" "Eberhard H Vonborell" 24-NOV-1993 16:34:00.16 To: IN%"APPLIED-ETHOLOGY@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Messages to ISAE members Dear Applied-Ethology Subscriber, The network is a great idea and provides a fast and cheap exchange of informations. However, we should be aware of the problem that not all members have access to internet. I am thinking of some 'remote' locations in Germany. We have to think about a system that will deliver the same information to all of our non-subscribers. Otherwise, they will always feel to be left out of something. May be we should explore internet workstations that are close by to those members that don't have access to the system. They could receive printouts of the messages within a short period of time from a nearby workstation. I think that this problem deserves some further discussion at the next council meeting (for those of you who will attend the meeting). Happy Thanksgiving! Yours Ebby. ============================================================================== From: IN%"AG3260000@NCCCOT2.AGR.CA" "LENNOXVILLE" 25-NOV-1993 08:54:16.82 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: TAIL DOCKING I am also very interested in the issue of tail docking of dairy cattle and I would like to see the replies Joe gets. Dairy producers in Quebec seem to routinely dock the tails of their cattle. I heard one estimate that half of the producers could be doing this. It is of course only the larger producers who keep their cows loose- housed indoors all year. The arguement I hear given fot this is that dirty tails increase the risk of mastitis. However, I have not been able to find any published research to support this. If you know of any such papers, could you please let me know about them. Generally people seem to think that tail docking does not affect the welfare of the cows. Some have suggested that it is preferable to keeping the cows tied. I know Henrik Simonsen did some work on tail docking in pigs and found that this resulted in neuromas, possibly leading to phantom-tail pain. Does any know whether this would be true for dairy cattle? How does the animal welfare legislation in EEC countries relate to this practice? I assume it is banned in Sweden. Has this resulted in an increase of mastitis? How about New Zealand? There I understand they do it with gay abandon, even for dairy cows that spend some time outdoors. Any news. JEFF RUSHEN p.s. Dont forget if you REPLY only I get the message. If you have something interesting to say and what to get other peoples reactions, dont hesitate to send the message to APPLIED-ETHOLOGY ============================================================================== From: IN%"AG3260000@NCCCOT2.AGR.CA" "LENNOXVILLE" 25-NOV-1993 10:29:55.01 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: WELFARE LEGISLATION FRANCE I am trying to find out about any animal welfare legislation that exists in France. Does anybody know where I can find out about this? Is there anyone from France on the system? Anne Marie de Passille ============================================================================== From: IN%"GONYOU@sask.usask.ca" 25-NOV-1993 11:41:59.40 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Tail Docking of Cows I believe that Ron Kilgour indicated in a presentation I heard him give that tail docking in New Zealand was related to a human health problem. Records of injuries were analyzed and indicated that dairy farmers were treated more often for eye injuries, often attributed to being swished by tails. In addition, New Zealand cattle are generally on lush grass for longer than those in other countries, making tails dirtier. Perhaps some New Zealander could corroborate this information. I know of no study on the animal welfare implications of tail docking cows. How is the procedure performed? Are elastrators used? Harold Gonyou =============================================================================