From: IN%"rushenj@EM.AGR.CA" "Jeff Rushen" 30-SEP-1996 11:13:53.43 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: calling John Eddison Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA367WTGZM8Y9HK0@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:13:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA367Q2GXC8Y8I7F@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:13:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA29015 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA09600 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:12:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:37:57 -0400 From: Jeff Rushen Subject: calling John Eddison To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA367WUT848Y9HK0@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 11 Text Sorry to trouble the rest of you but..... I need to send something to John Eddison urgently but my email messages keep bouncing back. Does anyone know his fax number, or if his email address is changed. many thanks Jeff Rushen rushenj@em.agr.ca From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 1-OCT-1996 00:46:00.04 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: E-mail address J.Eddison Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA3YKPV2YQ8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 00:45:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from goofy.iafrica.com by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA3YKLL11S8YA0CI@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 00:45:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from 196-7-119-220.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0v7yaA-000AwTC; Tue, 1 Oct 96 08:45 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 06:47:06 +0000 (GMT) From: k9acad@iafrica.com Subject: Re: E-mail address J.Eddison To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca (applied-ethology) Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA3YKQ1IG48Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1AEB1671478@cs_fs18.csd.plym.ac.uk> > John Eddison > ISAE Coomunication Secretary E-mail = J.Eddison@plymouth.ac.uk From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" "Frank Odberg" 1-OCT-1996 06:12:23.08 To: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin E Walker" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Cattle behaviour Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA49YKVYXE8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 06:12:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA49XNIMGW8Y9NOG@sask.usask.ca>; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 06:12:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA24777 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:49:34 +0100 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10400; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:48:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:48:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Odberg Subject: Re: Cattle behaviour In-reply-to: <521@coape.win-uk.net> To: Robin E Walker Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA49YKWI7O8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin E Walker" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT That reminds me the "Quadrupedentest" of Klaus Zeeb in the 50-ties. I still have some funny pictures of him on all four inducing ponies to run away while they don't when approached standing. Prof.K.Zeeb Am Moosweiher 2 D-79108 Freiburg i. Brisgau Regards, Frank From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" "Frank Odberg" 1-OCT-1996 06:14:10.78 To: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin E Walker" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Cattle behaviour Return-path: Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA49XNIMGW8Y9NOG@sask.usask.ca>; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 06:12:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA24777 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:49:34 +0100 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10400; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:48:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:48:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Odberg Subject: Re: Cattle behaviour In-reply-to: <521@coape.win-uk.net> To: Robin E Walker Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT That reminds me the "Quadrupedentest" of Klaus Zeeb in the 50-ties. I still have some funny pictures of him on all four inducing ponies to run away while they don't when approached standing. Prof.K.Zeeb Am Moosweiher 2 D-79108 Freiburg i. Brisgau Regards, Frank From: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" 1-OCT-1996 10:06:39.58 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: dog training Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4I3BKIKY8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:04:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4I36XLPS8YALZH@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:04:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA16251 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA06569 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 11:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:03:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 11:31:25 -0400 From: Chantal Gaboury Subject: dog training To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA4I3BLBIS8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 14 Text Hey there! When my dog was a little younger, I took one of these courses with him to learn how to train him to heel, sit, etc. The instructor insisted over and over again that we should use positive reinforcement when he performs the task correctly. My dog (a Dalmation) is particularly energetic. One might even describe him as "high strung". When I walk him on a leash, and I ask him to heel, he does so immediately. However, as soon as I tell him he is a good dog, he walks ahead and pulls until I tell him to heel again. This cycle continues for the whole walk. Does anybody have any ideas or hypotheses as to why this is so? Chantal Gaboury gabouryc@em.agr.ca From: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" 1-OCT-1996 10:10:41.63 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: catnip Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4I7TBGD88Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:08:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4I71THUO8Y8Y3U@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:07:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA17096 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA09647 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:06:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 11:39:15 -0400 From: Chantal Gaboury Subject: catnip To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA4I7TBQ0E8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 15 Text Hi gang, it's me again! A few years ago I became interested on the effect catnip has on cats. I looked it up, and there didn't seem to be much information on the subject then. I spread some on the floor on the week-end and watched my cats behave in, it what seemed to be, euphoric extasy...if that is possible! Does anybody know what happens physiologically when cats come into contact with this herb? I also noticed that when one of my cats was immature, he was not affected by catnip. But now that he is mature, he behaves in the typical manner. Thank-you in advance... Chantal Gaboury gabouryc@em.agr.ca From: IN%"kckissan@alpha.delta.edu" "Kelly Caithlin Kissane" 1-OCT-1996 11:00:06.03 To: IN%"gabouryc@em.agr.ca" "Chantal Gaboury" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4K16R5OY8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:59:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from alpha.delta.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4K0XTX9C8Y8QC9@sask.usask.ca>; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:59:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by alpha.delta.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/20Dec95-1058AM) id AA04439; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:01:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kelly Caithlin Kissane Subject: Re: dog training In-reply-to: To: Chantal Gaboury Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA4K16TAUS8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"gabouryc@em.agr.ca" "Chantal Gaboury" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Chantal, This is a guess, gathered from my own dog training, but I think your dog, not fearing negative response, is coaxing positive attention. I've seen dogs that were reinforced by using food - and when they see food in any capacity, they will go through the whole gamut of tricks in hopes that their master will give them some. Kelly C. Kissane Grad student Central Michigan University arachnology/animal behavior From: IN%"kckissan@alpha.delta.edu" "Kelly Caithlin Kissane" 1-OCT-1996 11:03:18.00 To: IN%"gabouryc@em.agr.ca" "Chantal Gaboury" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from alpha.delta.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4K0XTX9C8Y8QC9@sask.usask.ca>; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:59:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by alpha.delta.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/20Dec95-1058AM) id AA04439; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:01:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kelly Caithlin Kissane Subject: Re: dog training In-reply-to: To: Chantal Gaboury Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Chantal, This is a guess, gathered from my own dog training, but I think your dog, not fearing negative response, is coaxing positive attention. I've seen dogs that were reinforced by using food - and when they see food in any capacity, they will go through the whole gamut of tricks in hopes that their master will give them some. Kelly C. Kissane Grad student Central Michigan University arachnology/animal behavior From: IN%"TAYLORA@EM.AGR.CA" "Allison Taylor" 1-OCT-1996 12:51:12.15 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: dog training -Reply Return-path: Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4NW33CCW8Y9U74@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:51:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA28565 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA21181 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:04:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:04:49 -0400 From: Allison Taylor Subject: dog training -Reply To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 80 Text Chantal, Quite simply, he pulls because you are also reinforcing that behaviour by allowing him to continue forward when he does it! By repeatedly giving the heel command, you are almost setting up a reinf chain (if I forge, she tells me heel, I heel, I get praise). The courses I took with my most recent dog (Dealing With Dogs, Judy Emmert) had a philosophy on this that I like very much and have adopted wholeheartedly. First, she says that a strict, show-ring heel is a) difficult to maintain on a pleasure/elimination walk; b) often not closely monitored anmd specifically reinforced, because we innately recognize that the dog should be able to sniff, etc and c) unnecessary for most walking. So, she teaches two types of walking on leash. The strict heel is kept for important occasions, such as crossing a rod, passing people, dogs, whatever. However, most walking is what she calls ""Let's go!" walking, where the only rule is that the dog may NOT pull on the leash. Let's Go Walk (teach this first) Sit your dog by your side. Say, "Let's go" in a happy voice, and take one big step, luring your dog with a treat if nec. If he bolts to the end of the leash, stop stock still, say nothing and WAIT. The instant the dog releases leash tension (even to look back at you), take another big step, saying "let's go" and repeat. In this way, the dog learns that it must not bolt, that a tight leash means it NEVER gets to do what it wants (to go forward), and that it must watch you ....The step forward serves as an immediate reward for the release in leash tension. You never jerk the leash back, yell, or punish in any way. Just wait it out. This method is HIGHLY effective - worked with my boisterous 65 lb Lab x within a week, and to this day he will NOT apply leash tension. Ever. Note also that this method completely obviates the need for a choke collar of any kind, because the reinf contingency (negative punishment) allows the dog to control the situation (if I want to go forward, I must keep the leash loose), not on the basis of fear of physical consequences (pain). My dog has never in his life worn a choke collar, and never will. And he is a true pleasure to walk, even for other people. I must add that you need to be entirely consistent with this method (as you know, intermittent reinf schedules are MUCH more resistant to extinction than continuous). Early in Rudy's straining, we went for a walk with other people and dogs. He attempted to forge. Every time the leach tightened, I simply stopped dead and waited. The walk was no fun for my friends, as they ended up just going ahead while I sorted this out - but had I not, Rudy would have learned a dangerous lesson: when in strange places, or with other people/dogs, the old rule doesn't apply. Yikes - would have been a disaster. To this day I am glad I stuck to my guns. Heel, btw it taught in basically the same way - but from a "let's go" type walk, you shorten the leash, give the command to heel, and proceed as above. Start with short bits of heel inserted into longer bouts of "lets' go". Best of luck, Allison Allison Taylor, PhD Centre for Food & Animal Research Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada Ottawa, ON taylora@em.agr.ca >>> 10/01/96 12:43pm >>> Hey there! When my dog was a little younger, I took one of these courses with him to learn how to train him to heel, sit, etc. The instructor insisted over and over again that we should use positive reinforcement when he performs the task correctly. My dog (a Dalmation) is particularly energetic. One might even describe him as "high strung". When I walk him on a leash, and I ask him to heel, he does so immediately. However, as soon as I tell him he is a good dog, he walks ahead and pulls until I tell him to heel again. This cycle continues for the whole walk. Does anybody have any ideas or hypotheses as to why this is so? Chantal Gaboury gabouryc@em.agr.ca From: IN%"STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca" 1-OCT-1996 14:32:04.16 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4RA36AKI8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:28:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA4QZ90RVK8WXGAL@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:27:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) From: STOOKEY@sask.usask.ca Subject: This dog needed more training! To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA4RA37D5G8Y9W69@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <01IA4QZ91UGI8WXGAL@sask.usask.ca> X-VMS-To: IN::"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Following all the interesting discussions on the use of shock collars and the training of dogs, I thought you might be interested in the following story which was forwarded to me by Stephen Easley. You can decide for yourself if the dog needed additional training, if a shock collar would have helped, or if the dog trainer needed help! I have no idea if the story is true, but it is interesting! Enjoy, Joe Stookey --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: ComputerDoctor@wazoo.com (Stephen Easley) > Subject: the most optimistic man in the country > ``We will not have him put down. Lucky is basically a damn good guide > dog,'' Ernst Gerber, a dog trainer from Wuppertal told reporters. ``He just > needs a little brush-up on some elementary skills, that's all.'' Gerber > admitted to the press conference that Lucky, a German shepherd guide-dog > for the blind, had so far been responsible for the deaths of all four of > his previous owners. ``I admit it's not an impressive record on paper. He > led his first owner in front of a bus, and the second off the end of a > pier. He actually pushed his third owner off a railway platform just as > the Cologne to Frankfurt express was approaching, and he walked his fourth > owner into heavy traffic, before abandoning him and running away to > safety. But, apart from epileptic fits, he has a lovely temperament. And > guide dogs are difficult to train these days.'' Asked if Lucky's fifth > owner would be told about his previous record, Gerber replied: ``No. It > would make them nervous, and would make Lucky nervous. And when Lucky > gets nervous he's liable to do something silly.'' [Source: Europa Times, > October, 1993] From: IN%"Heeler@aol.com" 1-OCT-1996 20:45:38.98 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA54HCFG1C8WY522@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 20:45:35 -0600 (CST) Received: by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA04675 for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 22:45:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 22:45:24 -0400 From: Heeler@aol.com Subject: Re: dog training To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <961001224523_322484446@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 96-10-01 12:39:00 EDT, you write: > When I walk him on a leash, and I ask him to heel, >he does so immediately. However, as soon as I tell him he is a good dog, >he walks ahead and pulls until I tell him to heel again. This cycle >continues for the whole walk. Does anybody have any ideas or >hypotheses as to why this is so? Your dog probably interprets your praise as a release from his task. Stop praising him, and see what happens. Cheers, Margie From: IN%"Heeler@aol.com" 1-OCT-1996 22:02:07.35 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA575745G08YAQBI@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 22:02:05 -0600 (CST) Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA07489 for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 00:02:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 00:02:01 -0400 From: Heeler@aol.com Subject: Re: This dog needed more training! To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <961002000200_534951319@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 96-10-01 16:37:20 EDT, you write: >.'' Gerber >> admitted to the press conference that Lucky, a German shepherd guide-dog >> for the blind, had so far been responsible for the deaths of all four of >> his previous owners. AND HIS NAME IS "LUCKY?" Can't be a true story. Guide dogs do make mistakes, but I've never heard of one that was allowed more than one fatal mistake. Cheers, Margie From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" "Frank Odberg" 2-OCT-1996 02:53:43.43 To: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5HBLGBB68YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:53:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5HB7U0U88YAUCD@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:53:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA29660 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:53:08 +0100 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03457; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:52:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:52:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Odberg Subject: Re: dog training In-reply-to: To: Chantal Gaboury Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5HBLGULG8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The first things that comes to my mind are: - You should have included remaining sitting into the rewarded response; i.e. reward only when the dog has stayed quiet 3 sec, then 5 sec, then 10 sec,...up to several minutes (useful for shopping). - Not enough delayed reward. Frank From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" "Frank Odberg" 2-OCT-1996 02:55:16.03 To: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5HB7U0U88YAUCD@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:53:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA29660 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:53:08 +0100 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03457; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:52:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:52:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Odberg Subject: Re: dog training In-reply-to: To: Chantal Gaboury Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The first things that comes to my mind are: - You should have included remaining sitting into the rewarded response; i.e. reward only when the dog has stayed quiet 3 sec, then 5 sec, then 10 sec,...up to several minutes (useful for shopping). - Not enough delayed reward. Frank From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" "Frank Odberg" 2-OCT-1996 02:57:35.04 To: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5HGFRHXU8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:57:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5HFYT6HS8YA3DZ@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:57:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA29782 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:57:01 +0100 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03785; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:56:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:56:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Odberg Subject: Re: dog training In-reply-to: To: Chantal Gaboury Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5HGFS18K8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I forgot: weep and ask yourself why you bought a dalmatian... Here they are considered as difficult to train. However, I remember Andrew Luescher telling me there are sometimes surprising differences between countries (i.e. genetic pools?) within the same breeds. Frank From: IN%"Frank.Odberg@rug.ac.be" "Frank Odberg" 2-OCT-1996 02:59:21.54 To: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: dog training Return-path: Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5HFYT6HS8YA3DZ@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:57:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA29782 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:57:01 +0100 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03785; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:56:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:56:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Odberg Subject: Re: dog training In-reply-to: To: Chantal Gaboury Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I forgot: weep and ask yourself why you bought a dalmatian... Here they are considered as difficult to train. However, I remember Andrew Luescher telling me there are sometimes surprising differences between countries (i.e. genetic pools?) within the same breeds. Frank From: IN%"imiuvezo@imiucca.csi.unimi.it" "Istituto di Zootecnica Veterinaria" 2-OCT-1996 03:47:17.61 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: information about behaviour rand heart rate recording systems Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5J70HFHU8YA0IW@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 03:47:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from imiucca.csi.unimi.it by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5J2HZFKW8YAILX@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 03:47:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from [159.149.252.20] by imiucca.csi.unimi.it (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14172; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:43:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:43:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Istituto di Zootecnica Veterinaria Subject: information about behaviour rand heart rate recording systems X-Sender: imiuvezo@imiucca.csi.unimi.it To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5J70I8FO8YA0IW@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610021143.AA14172@imiucca.csi.unimi.it> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear all, I work at the faculty of veterinary medicine, Milan, Italy. I am interested in recording behavior ( especially stereotypies) and heart rate in horses. I would like to ask anybody some information. In our institute we are planning to buy the Observer 's Video tape analysis system for windows: we would like to know if anybody is already using this system. How useful do you find it? Is it easy to use or does it need a particular training? Regarding heart rate monitoring is anyone using the new Polar Vantage system? We were told that it is not suitable for horses because it is "too sensitive", but we think it might be very useful because of the beat to beat recording. The old polar system seems to work better but without the beat to beat option. Does anyone have suggestions about this problem? Thanks to all! Elisabetta Canali imiuvezo@imiucca.csi.unimi.it From: IN%"zerbe@tzv.fal.de" 2-OCT-1996 04:34:30.28 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: deglutition reflex Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5KUJFCAQ8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:34:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from jupiter.tzv.fal.de (jupiter.tzv.fal.de) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5KO18HHS8YA8NX@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:34:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from helsinki.tzv.fal.de (helsinki [192.108.34.30]) by jupiter.tzv.fal.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24724 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:31:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hanse.tzv.fal.de (uucp@localhost) by helsinki.tzv.fal.de (8.7.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id LAA15735 for sask.usask.ca!applied-ethology; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:43:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:22 +0100 (MET) From: zerbe@tzv.fal.de (Frank Zerbe) Subject: deglutition reflex X-Sender: zerbe@hanse To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5KUJI0R88YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, in the field of calf rearing more and more automatic feeding stations are used. The supply of milk by the automat is realised in a suckling station, which the calf must visit. In this view the suckling station is part of his technical environment. To get the optimum construction of such suckling station it is necassary to yield information about the act of swallowing, especially the realisation of the reflex of deglutition (so called Schlundrinnenreflex in german). Since the nerval innervation and the act of this reflex is under the role of the nervus vagus, my question is, are there any experience in using nerval circuits (aktivity potentials) from peripher nerves for watching of this reflex. And which systems can be used for this measurment? Thank you in advance Frank Zerbe ****************************************************** Frank Zerbe DVM Institut for animal husbandry and animal behavior Trenthorst mail Tel. +49 (0)4539-201 ****************************************************** From: IN%"Magali.Hay@gstress.u-bordeaux2.fr" "Magali Hay" 2-OCT-1996 04:56:49.05 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: virus on the net Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5LM9A3TE8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:56:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from hippocrate.u-bordeaux2.fr by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5LM4K4LS8WYABF@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:56:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from ratmous.gstress.u-bordeaux2.fr by hippocrate.u-bordeaux2.fr; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:03:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:03:15 +0100 From: Magali Hay Subject: virus on the net X-Sender: mhay@hippocrate.u-bordeaux2.fr To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5LM9AWR88YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610021203.NAA03870@hippocrate.u-bordeaux2.fr> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have just received this warning message about a circulating virus on the NET. Here is it : Dear colleagues: I just received a virus warning from a friend in the USA. Please read it carefully and don't get infected. 1) SUBJECT: [Very Important !!! ] There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages below. Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the Internet. Apparently a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the Internet. Once a Computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly intelligent- it will send copies of itself to everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it" Rest assured that whoever' name was on the "From" line was surely struck by the virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. Could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well? 2) Subject: New and Dangerous Virus For your information ... DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION We work closely with the military and received this message from a very reliable source in DC this morning. A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files. DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one. REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION. please forward this mail to your colleagues. take care From: IN%"/G=Anna/S=Olsson/O=SJV/PRMD=GW/ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/@x400.belnet.be" 2-OCT-1996 06:16:18.91 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: horse bits -Svar Return-path: Received: from mahler.belnet.be by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5ODHCNDC8WYJT9@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 06:16:15 -0600 (CST) X400-Received: by mta mahler.belnet.be in /PRMD=belnet/ADMD=rtt/C=BE/; Relayed; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:14:13 +0200 X400-Received: by /ADMD=RTT/C=BE/; Relayed; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:12:00 +0200 X400-Received: by /ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/; Relayed; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:11:46 +0200 X400-Received: by /ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/; Relayed; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:11:53 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=GW/ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/; Relayed; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:06:17 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=GW/ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/; Relayed; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:10:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:10:13 +0200 From: /G=Anna/S=Olsson/O=SJV/PRMD=GW/ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/@x400.belnet.be Subject: Re: horse bits -Svar To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Message-id: <"41 1002141013-9*"@MHS> Content-identifier: 41 1002141013-9 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Original-encoded-information-types: teletex X400-Content-type: P2-1984 (2) X400-MTS-identifier: [/PRMD=GW/ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/;41 1002141013-9] X400-Originator: /G=Anna/S=Olsson/O=SJV/PRMD=GW/ADMD=ATLAS/C=SE/@x400.belnet.be X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; Dear Professor Odberg, Thanks for the interesting comments on the use of bits in schooling horses!= I h ave forwarded them to my father, who will be more than delighted on having = a pr ofessor of ethology and a high school rider supporting his ideas! (My fathe= r te aches the training of young horses at the equestrian specialization course = at a Swedish agricultural college and has a dedicated interest in methoodology = of t raining) I would like to take this opportunity to ask you a favour. Having a Portugu= ese = fiance, I spend quite some time in Portugal. I know you have good contacts = with classic riding there, and if possible, I would like to get in touch with t= he P ortuguese school of riding. Do you have the name and address of somebody to= con tact in order to get to know more about shows and training possibilities? With kind regards, Anna Olsson Anna Olsson Division for Animal Production and Management Swedish Board of Agriculture S-551 82 Jonkoping Sweden From: IN%"PN026@lamp.ac.uk" 2-OCT-1996 06:36:37.26 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Good Times Virus Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5P3T8U5E8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 06:36:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from merlin.acs.lamp.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5P3PJOJK8Y97BC@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 06:36:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:38:15 +0000 (GMT) From: PN026@lamp.ac.uk Subject: Good Times Virus To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5P3T9N2S8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <961002133815.2264c@lamp.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Is this still going around??!!? In short, it's a hoax. I'm no expert on computers, but apparently there is no way a virus can be downloaded from a mail file. The real virus is the warning message which I must have deleted upwards of 20 times in the last 2 years! Hope this reassures any worried people out there. Amanda From: IN%"maryb@lab0.vet.ed.ac.uk" "Mary Booth" 2-OCT-1996 06:46:51.39 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: hoax virus on the net Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5PGMXOUA8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 06:46:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5PGI9Z0W8Y9DPN@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 06:46:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from lab0.vet.ed.ac.uk (lab0.vet.ed.ac.uk [129.215.196.3]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01570 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:46:31 +0100 Received: from VET-LAB0/SpoolDir by lab0.vet.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:46:32 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by VET-LAB0 (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:46:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:46:23 +0000 From: Mary Booth Subject: Re: hoax virus on the net To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5PGMYHS48YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Dear members, re the message about "Good times":- In case people have not come across this hoax before, it is simply that, THIS IS A HOAX Be assured that YOU CANNOT GET A VIRUS THIS WAY, only an unneccessary fright. Best wishes, Mary Booth. From: IN%"lhenley@MUW.Edu" "Lani Lyman-Henley" 2-OCT-1996 07:20:15.70 To: IN%"Magali.Hay@gstress.u-bordeaux2.fr" "Magali Hay" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: virus on the net Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5QMZBW3M8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 07:20:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from MUW.Edu (SunMUW1.MUW.Edu) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5QMVN05C8YB03V@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 07:19:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by MUW.Edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19254; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:13:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:13:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Lani Lyman-Henley Subject: Re: virus on the net In-reply-to: <199610021203.NAA03870@hippocrate.u-bordeaux2.fr> To: Magali Hay Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5QMZCP1G8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Magali.Hay@gstress.u-bordeaux2.fr" "Magali Hay" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Folks, regarding the current virus-scare notice. The Good Times virus does not exist, it is a long-standing hoax. However, the *2nd* message regards a real virus, the pkunzip one (I forget the full name). *********************************************************************** Lani Lyman-Henley, PhD email: lhenley@sunmuw1.muw.edu Division of Science & Math phone: (601) 329-7245 (office) Mississippi University for Women P.O.Box W 100 Columbus, MS 39701 FAX: (601) 329-7238 WWW: http://www.msstate.edu/Dept/Psychology/lplh.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read." --Groucho Marx *********************************************************************** From: IN%"lhenley@MUW.Edu" "Lani Lyman-Henley" 2-OCT-1996 07:22:18.90 To: IN%"Magali.Hay@gstress.u-bordeaux2.fr" "Magali Hay" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: virus on the net Return-path: Received: from MUW.Edu (SunMUW1.MUW.Edu) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5QMVN05C8YB03V@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 07:19:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by MUW.Edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19254; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:13:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:13:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Lani Lyman-Henley Subject: Re: virus on the net In-reply-to: <199610021203.NAA03870@hippocrate.u-bordeaux2.fr> To: Magali Hay Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Folks, regarding the current virus-scare notice. The Good Times virus does not exist, it is a long-standing hoax. However, the *2nd* message regards a real virus, the pkunzip one (I forget the full name). *********************************************************************** Lani Lyman-Henley, PhD email: lhenley@sunmuw1.muw.edu Division of Science & Math phone: (601) 329-7245 (office) Mississippi University for Women P.O.Box W 100 Columbus, MS 39701 FAX: (601) 329-7238 WWW: http://www.msstate.edu/Dept/Psychology/lplh.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read." --Groucho Marx *********************************************************************** From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 2-OCT-1996 08:51:52.26 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5TTL9ESI8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:51:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from goofy.iafrica.com by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5TT83QBK8YAV26@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:51:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from 196-7-192-149.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0v8Sdl-000B0UC; Wed, 2 Oct 96 16:51 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:52:49 +0000 (GMT) From: k9acad@iafrica.com Subject: Re: This dog needed more training! To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5TTL9Y388YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01IA4QZ91UGI8WXGAL@sask.usask.ca> > > ``We will not have him put down. Lucky is basically a damn good guide > > dog,'' Ernst Gerber, a dog trainer from Wuppertal told reporters. ``He just > > needs a little brush-up on some elementary skills, that's all.'' Gerber > > admitted to the press conference that Lucky, a German shepherd guide-dog > > for the blind, had so far been responsible for the deaths of all four of > > his previous owners. ``I admit it's not an impressive record on paper. He > > led his first owner in front of a bus, and the second off the end of a > > pier. He actually pushed his third owner off a railway platform just as > > the Cologne to Frankfurt express was approaching, and he walked his fourth > > owner into heavy traffic, before abandoning him and running away to > > safety. But, apart from epileptic fits, he has a lovely temperament. And > > guide dogs are difficult to train these days.'' Asked if Lucky's fifth > > owner would be told about his previous record, Gerber replied: ``No. It > > would make them nervous, and would make Lucky nervous. And when Lucky > > gets nervous he's liable to do something silly.'' [Source: Europa Times, > > October, 1993] Hi Joe Without personally interviewing Lucky (perish the thought) two immediate possibilities spring to mind. 1. Lucky is in the wrong profession. It's quite obvious he hates his job with a vengence and his skills lie in a different direction. Everything indicates he is a man of action and would possibly make an excellent police dog or hired assassin. 2. Maybe Lucky is blind himself and needs a guide-dog of his own?! Have fun. GLYNNE ANDERSON k9acad@iafrica.com From: IN%"gabouryc@EM.AGR.CA" "Chantal Gaboury" 2-OCT-1996 08:56:03.24 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: This dog needed more training!-RESPONSE Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5TYGHA4I8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:55:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5TYAMP408YA6N9@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:55:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA11358 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA21025 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:54:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:56:41 -0400 From: Chantal Gaboury Subject: This dog needed more training!-RESPONSE To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5TYGI32C8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 3 Text Dear Joe, I think the owner should be blindfolded and led around Paris by Lucky. (Interesting name for the dog.) From: IN%"MAPPLEBY@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 2-OCT-1996 09:30:28.89 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: The blind leading the blind Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5V6DIRG28YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:30:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5V53APZ48YAM2D@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:30:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk [129.215.136.240]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA19318 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:28:23 +0100 Received: from BIO-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:29:47 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BIO-SRV0 (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:29:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:29:17 +0000 From: Mike Appleby Subject: The blind leading the blind To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5V6DJKDW8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <2E65AE5678D@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Edinburgh University X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal > 2. Maybe Lucky is blind himself and needs a guide-dog of his own?! I did hear of a guide dog which was discovered to be blind. The blind person presumably had fairly limited routes - just to a few shops and so on - and the dog must have coped so well with its own disability, continuing to guide its owner over the familiar routes, that the owner hadn't noticed. Mike From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 2-OCT-1996 10:30:56.56 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5XAH394I8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:30:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from goofy.iafrica.com by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5XA5D0I88Y9QE4@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from 196-7-192-173.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0v8UBi-000AzqC; Wed, 2 Oct 96 18:30 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:31:59 +0000 (GMT) From: k9acad@iafrica.com Subject: Re: This dog needed more training! To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5XAH3SES8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01IA4QZ91UGI8WXGAL@sask.usask.ca> > > ``We will not have him put down. Lucky is basically a damn good guide > > dog,'' Ernst Gerber, a dog trainer from Wuppertal told reporters. ``He just > > needs a little brush-up on some elementary skills, that's all.'' Gerber > > admitted to the press conference that Lucky, a German shepherd guide-dog > > for the blind, had so far been responsible for the deaths of all four of > > his previous owners. ``I admit it's not an impressive record on paper. He > > led his first owner in front of a bus, and the second off the end of a > > pier. He actually pushed his third owner off a railway platform just as > > the Cologne to Frankfurt express was approaching, and he walked his fourth > > owner into heavy traffic, before abandoning him and running away to > > safety. But, apart from epileptic fits, he has a lovely temperament. And > > guide dogs are difficult to train these days.'' Asked if Lucky's fifth > > owner would be told about his previous record, Gerber replied: ``No. It > > would make them nervous, and would make Lucky nervous. And when Lucky > > gets nervous he's liable to do something silly.'' [Source: Europa Times, > > October, 1993] Hi Joe Without personally interviewing Lucky (perish the thought) two immediate possibilities spring to mind. 1. Lucky is in the wrong profession. It's quite obvious he hates his job with a vengence and his skills lie in a different direction. Everything indicates he is a man of action and would possibly make an excellent police dog or hired assassin. 2. Maybe Lucky is blind himself and needs a guide-dog of his own?! Have fun. GLYNNE ANDERSON k9acad@iafrica.com From: IN%"SED168@ed.sac.ac.uk" "Van Moeffaert Nathalie" 2-OCT-1996 11:08:26.75 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: rehabilitation centres Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5YLT0ZHU8YA4H3@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:08:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA5YLN7H288Y8TC7@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:08:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from ed.sac.ac.uk (sac005.esa.ed.ac.uk [129.215.130.5]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA28867 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:07:57 +0100 Received: from SAC005/SpoolDir by ed.sac.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:09:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SpoolDir by SAC005 (Mercury 1.30); Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:09:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:09:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Van Moeffaert Nathalie Subject: rehabilitation centres To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA5YLT222S8YA4H3@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <38EAD620CF@ed.sac.ac.uk> Organization: Scottish Agricultural College X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal hello Is there anybody who could help me finding addresses of wildlife rehabilitation centres, especially for primates in Africa? Thank you very much! Nathalie ####################################################### "Man has a great power of speech, which is to a large measure vain and false. The animals have little, but that little is useful and true, and a small and sure thing is better than a great lie." dixit Leonardo da Vinci Nathalie Van Moeffaert MSc Applied Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare School of Agriculture University of Edinburgh West Mains Road Edinburgh ###################################################### From: IN%"bhayes@dsu.deltast.edu" "William A. Hayes" 2-OCT-1996 12:12:45.95 To: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA60UOHA6A8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:12:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from dsu.deltast.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA60TW8SSW8Y8YP2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:12:30 -0600 (CST) Received: by dsu.deltast.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA56815; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:06:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:06:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "William A. Hayes" Subject: Re: This dog needed more training! In-reply-to: To: k9acad@iafrica.com Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA60UOIMEC8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This reminds me of a reward poster sold in Tombstone, Arizona: Dog lost... reward offered. Recognizable by having only 1 eye, three legs, deaf in right ear, and accidentally neutered. Goes by the name of Lucky. If found, return to Wyatt Earp, Sherrif. :) Best wishes, Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- William A. Hayes, II, Ph.D. | If you follow your bliss, you put yourself Professor of Biology | on a kind of a track that has been there P.O.Box 3234 | the whole while, waiting for you, and the Delta State University | life you ought to be living is the one you Cleveland, MS 38733 | are living. --- Joseph Campbell ph: 601-846-4247 \ _____ ____ fax: 601-846-4016 | \_____ _____/ \ email: bhayes@dsu.deltast.edu | __ \^^/ __ | | ////)\(0= =0)/(\\\\ // ^\| / ^^ \ |/^ \\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Website - http://www.deltast.edu/academics/artsci/bio/hayes/wahhome.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IN%"rushenj@EM.AGR.CA" "Jeff Rushen" 2-OCT-1996 12:50:48.15 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Warning: "good times" virus. Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA622QQFA68YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:47:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA621BR6LS8YB17F@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:46:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA11740 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA03780 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:44:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:45:01 -0400 From: Jeff Rushen Subject: Warning: "good times" virus. To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA622QQOXC8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 26 Text I have just been informed by NATO, UNESCO, the Russian military and NASA of a diabolically clever virus called "Good times". This virus is like none so far encountered. It can mutate from an electronic form to a physical form and back again. Unlike other viruses it does not attack the computer itself, but instead attacks the user of the computer. It is transmitted by email messages which, on the surface, appear to contain a warning about the virus, or make the claim that the virus is just a hoax. When someone is foolish enough to read such a message, the virus awakes, burrows up from the bowels of the computer, interacts with the sub-atomic particles on the computer screen, and directs a stream of highly charged virally-coated photons into the visual system of the reader. These in turn alter the electrical functioning of the visual nerves, destroying large parts of the critical intellect. Particularly affected are the parts of the memory that store information about previous attacks of the virus . Victims will either have no recollection of ever having heard about the virus, or will imagine having received dozens of messages about the virus. (Note: these are the warning signs of an infection). After sloshing around in the skull for a few minutes, the virus captures the command centre of the brain and compells the victim, sometimes against their will, to send out more copies of the messages, especially to email discussion groups. These are cleverly disguised as warnings about the virus or claims that the virus is just a hoax. DO NOT BELIEVE THE MESSAGES. They are highly dangerous and can cause irreperable damage to your sanity. If you have read a warning about the virus, or have received a message claiming that the good times virus is a hoax (even if you can't remember having done so), IT IS TOO LATE! From: IN%"rushenj@EM.AGR.CA" "Jeff Rushen" 2-OCT-1996 13:39:46.96 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE Journal survey: the results Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA63SYHP9M8YA4H3@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:37:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA63RD2FYO8Y9EIW@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:36:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA24654 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA04696 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:34:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:34:47 -0400 From: Jeff Rushen Subject: ISAE Journal survey: the results To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA63SYHYWS8YA4H3@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 113 Text Below are the results of the survey done to establish the level of support for an ISAE journal. A total of 211 people responded (56.9% by email), which is over one third of the total ISAE membership. As you can see below there was substantial support for an ISAE journal, with 69% in favour. The most obvious problem is that students are going to have some difficulty paying a 50 pound subscription. At the recent ISAE council meeting and subsequent general assembly of the ISAE in Guelph, it was decided that the council would draw up a list of requirements for an ISAE journal, and send this to a number of potential publishers (including CABI and Elsevier). Our aim will be to choose the publisher which comes closest to meeting our needs. Hopefully, we will have enough detailed information by the next ISAE meeting at Prague in 1997 to make a close-to-final decision as to whether to proceed, and if so, with which publisher. It goes without saying that no final decision will (or indeed can) be taken without getting the final approval at the ISAE General assembly. I hope to circulate a rough draft of these requirements on the applied-ethology network, and these will be included in the next ISAE newsletter, and sent out to publishers early next year. If you have any thoughts on this subject please don't hesitate to communicate these to me or someone on the council. Jeff Rushen ISAE Editor 3. Do you agree that the ISAE should publish its own journal? (please mark one) [agree 69%] [uncertain 23%] [disagree 8%] 4. If you are a member of the ISAE are you willing to pay an annual membership fee of 50 pounds stirling in order to get a copy of the journal or full access to the electronic version? (please mark one) [yes 66%(50%-students)] [uncertain 13%] [no 21%(27%-students)] 5. How much EXTRA (i.e. above the 50 pounds) would you be willing to pay to allow us to give a 50% discount to students, or unemployed? (give a figure in any currency, but indicate which currency you are using) Amount=____67% 5 pounds or more______57%(10 pounds or more) 7. What is the MAXIMUM amount you would be willing to pay in order to stay in or join the ISAE and receive a copy of the journal or full access to the electronic version? (please give a figure in any currency, but indicate which currency you are using) Amount= 24%<50 pounds; 59% >50pounds (Students 34%<50 pounds) 8. What format of journal do you favour for the ISAE? (please mark one) -electronic journal only_______8% -a choice of printed and electronic journals_______78% printed journal only____14% 9. What level of access do you currently have to the Internet? -World Wide Web___65% -Gopher___________35% -FTP______________35% -Telnet_____________39% -Email______________86% -No access__________11% 10. What would you like to see included in the journal? (indicate as many as necessary) -primary research articles_______________96% -critical review articles_________________93% -published peer commentary on articles____60% -ISAE newsletter_________________ 48% -ISAE conference proceedings___________78% -information about other conferences______53% -book reviews________________ 75% 11. What do you definitely NOT want included in the journal? (indicate as many as necessary) -primary research articles_______________3% -critical review articles_________________3% -published peer commentary on articles_____10% -ISAE newsletter_________________ 27% -ISAE conference proceedings___________8% -information about other conferences______13% -book reviews________________ 4% 12. What areas of research would you like to see covered by the journal (mark as many as necessary) -farm animals________________98% -companion animals (pets)________________86% -zoo animals________________81% -laboratory animals________________73% -wild animals________________70% -pest animals________________68% 13. How likely would your institutional library be to subscribe to the journal? (please mark one) [likely 49%] [uncertain 29%] [unlikely 22%] From: IN%"jmorrow@www.ansc.purdue.edu" "Julie Morrow-Tesch" 2-OCT-1996 13:44:01.50 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Job opening Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA640SBZDE8YA4H3@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:43:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA63WBM2N48YARLU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:40:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from www.ansc.purdue.edu (www.ansc.purdue.edu [128.210.21.144]) by dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (8.7.6/3.8.2moyman) with SMTP for delivery to "" id OAA00985; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from morrowj.ansc.purdue.edu by www.ansc.purdue.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16199; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:39:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:23:25 -0500 From: Julie Morrow-Tesch Subject: Job opening X-Sender: jmorrow@www.ansc.purdue.edu To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA640SDBLG8YA4H3@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610021939.AA16199@www.ansc.purdue.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), Agricultural Research Service (ARS), Livestock Behavior Research Unit, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana, has a permanent full-time interdisciplinary position open for either a Research Animal Ethologist or Research Psychologist (Animal). The incumbent will serve as a contributing scientist among a team assigned to conduct research on the well-being of food-producing animals such as beef and dairy cattle and swine. Specifically, the Scientist will establish and direct a research program to elucidate relationships among cognition, animal learning, behavior and well-being in cattle and pigs. Specialized professional research experience which has equipped the candidate with the knowledge of the principles and theoretical concepts of psychology related to food producing animals and skill in formulating treatment plans and making psychological assessment and evaluations is required. Salary is commensurate with experience ($43,658-$67,491 per year). U.S. citizenship required. For additional information about the position, contact Dr. Julie Morrow-Tesch, 317-494-8022. Internet e-mail address, jmorrow@www.ansc.purdue.edu. For information on application procedures/forms, contact Yolanda G. Wilson, 301-344-2831. (Note: A response to the Selective Placement Factors is required for consideration. Failure to provide this information may result in non-consideration. Individuals should request a copy of the vacancy announcement, ARS-D6N-126, which contains these Factors.) Applications must be postmarked by December 30, 1996. USDA/ARS is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Julie Morrow-Tesch USDA-ARS Livestock Behavior Research Unit From: IN%"lhenley@MUW.Edu" "Lani Lyman-Henley" 2-OCT-1996 14:43:04.56 To: IN%"bhayes@dsu.deltast.edu" "William A. Hayes" CC: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA661TL1428YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:41:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from MUW.Edu (SunMUW1.MUW.Edu) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA65YB8MXC8YA9WO@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:39:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by MUW.Edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06537; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:31:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:31:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Lani Lyman-Henley Subject: Re: This dog needed more training! In-reply-to: To: "William A. Hayes" Cc: k9acad@iafrica.com, applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA661TLKEC8YAH8P@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"bhayes@dsu.deltast.edu" "William A. Hayes" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ok, I can't pass this one up. I have a box turtle brought to me by students who has two stub legs and a partially crushed carapace (looks like she survived a car hit), who I couldn't resist naming Lucky. Students love it. :) *********************************************************************** Lani Lyman-Henley, PhD email: lhenley@sunmuw1.muw.edu Division of Science & Math phone: (601) 329-7245 (office) Mississippi University for Women P.O.Box W 100 Columbus, MS 39701 FAX: (601) 329-7238 WWW: http://www.msstate.edu/Dept/Psychology/lplh.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "I put instant coffee in a microwave oven and almost went back in time." *********************************************************************** From: IN%"lhenley@MUW.Edu" "Lani Lyman-Henley" 2-OCT-1996 14:46:03.40 To: IN%"bhayes@dsu.deltast.edu" "William A. Hayes" CC: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: This dog needed more training! Return-path: Received: from MUW.Edu (SunMUW1.MUW.Edu) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA65YB8MXC8YA9WO@sask.usask.ca>; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:39:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by MUW.Edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06537; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:31:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:31:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Lani Lyman-Henley Subject: Re: This dog needed more training! In-reply-to: To: "William A. Hayes" Cc: k9acad@iafrica.com, applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ok, I can't pass this one up. I have a box turtle brought to me by students who has two stub legs and a partially crushed carapace (looks like she survived a car hit), who I couldn't resist naming Lucky. Students love it. :) *********************************************************************** Lani Lyman-Henley, PhD email: lhenley@sunmuw1.muw.edu Division of Science & Math phone: (601) 329-7245 (office) Mississippi University for Women P.O.Box W 100 Columbus, MS 39701 FAX: (601) 329-7238 WWW: http://www.msstate.edu/Dept/Psychology/lplh.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "I put instant coffee in a microwave oven and almost went back in time." *********************************************************************** From: IN%"MAPPLEBY@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 3-OCT-1996 02:40:18.02 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: catnip Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA6V4YAT8Y8Y9546@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 02:40:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA6V49X40W8Y937R@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 02:39:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk [129.215.136.240]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA26017 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:39:07 +0100 Received: from BIO-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:40:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BIO-SRV0 (Mercury 1.21); Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:40:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:40:13 +0000 From: Mike Appleby Subject: catnip To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA6V4YBCJO8Y9546@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <2F78A7122E1@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Edinburgh University X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Someone asked about the physiological basis of cats' reaction to catnip the other day and I then happened to see a reference to Palen & Goddard 1966 Catnip and oestrus behaviour in the cat. Animal Behaviour 14, 372. It seems that 'an unsaturated lactone, trans-cis nepetalone [don't ask me] was identified as the active ingredient', 'that only a proportion of cats reacted' and 'that the predisposition to respond was inherited as a dominant autosomal gene'. The 'reaction consists primarily of a unique combination of body rolling and face rubbing' only otherwise seen in oestrous females, but the conclusion that catnip odour mimics a pheromone is confused by the fact that the response is shown by males as well as females and by neutered animals of both sexes. Good luck! Mike From: IN%"csmith@nal.usda.gov" "Cynthia Smith" 3-OCT-1996 09:00:51.59 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Bridleless Riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA78F0IC3M8Y9546@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:00:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from cliff.nal.usda.gov by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA78EAPZYO8YAFCT@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 08:59:19 -0600 (CST) Received: by cliff.nal.usda.gov (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03652; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 10:59:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Cynthia Smith Subject: Bridleless Riding X-Sender: csmith@cliff To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA78F0P1848Y9546@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes horses can be ridden without bits or anything in their mouths or on their heads! Several years ago I attended a TEAM clinic with Linda Tellington-Jones in which her method of riding the horse without a bridle but with a rope lariat around the neck was demonstrated. I even had the pleasure of hopping on one of the clinic horses and giving it a try. It was such fun that I tried it on the horse that I lease when I got home. I used a "common sense" approach over a period of about 6 months. 1. First I used the lariat with the bridle and saddle on in an enclosed area. 2. Then instead of a bridle I used a halter with a lead lines tied to the sides and the lariat on the horses neck. 3. Then I phased out the halter and rode with just the lariat. I choose a nice calm day for the first time! 4. Gradually over time I have "phased out" all tack and we now ride on the trail or in the dressage ring at a walk, trot, or canter, with just the rope lariat. We also are jumping small courses with the lariat and a jumping saddle. Her gaits are very free and my balance has improved since we started. We do not ride with the lariat each time but use it to add variety and relaxation to our sessions. Please note. This method worked for us, but every horse and rider is different. The horse I ride was sensible to begin with and I have been riding for over 20 years. Safety first! Cynthia P. Smith USDA, ARS, NAL. AWIC Technical Information Specialist Beltsville, MD From: IN%"jon.cooper@zoology.oxford.ac.uk" 3-OCT-1996 09:18:28.33 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA790MXSMA8YA57C@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:17:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA78ZB864W8Y9J4V@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:16:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:16:31 +0100 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.37.155]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23587 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:15:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:15:51 +0100 (BST) From: jon.cooper@zoology.oxford.ac.uk (Jonathan Cooper) Subject: X-Sender: uzdb0064@ermine.ox.ac.uk To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA790N1A0K8YA57C@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610031515.QAA23587@ermine.ox.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hiya If anyone is still worried by the annoying but not particularly nasty Good Times virus, or the potentially devestating pkzip300 virus and you have access to the World Wide Web, then look up the page below which has info on viruses and how to avoid them. Check out the stuff on Word6 Concept virus as that has been doing the rounds. http://info.ox.ac.uk/OUCS/micros/virus/v-alert.html Jonathan Cooper Animal Behaviour Research Group Department of Zoology South Parks Rd. Oxford OX1 3PS U.K. Tel 01865 271217 Fax 01865 310447 From: IN%"NWARAN@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Natalie Waran" 3-OCT-1996 09:35:56.96 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"csmith@nal.usda.gov" "Cynthia Smith" CC: Subj: RE: Bridleless Riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA79M30P4Y8Y9546@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:34:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA79KY2VNK8Y9JJ3@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:33:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk [129.215.136.240]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA13867; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:33:15 +0100 Received: from BIO-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:34:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BIO-SRV0 (Mercury 1.21); Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:34:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:34:07 +0000 From: Natalie Waran Subject: Re: Bridleless Riding To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, Cynthia Smith Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA79M321D08Y9546@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <2FE70CB76DB@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Edinburgh University X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"csmith@nal.usda.gov" "Cynthia Smith" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Hi Its great to see horses and riding featuring as a topic on the applied ethology net. I had given up and started to look elsewhere (horsesci net for example) for my fix of equine tails.... Bridleless riding is one of the skills demonstrated by Monty Roberts. Mr Roberts (for the unhorsey people amongst you ) sees himself as a modern day horse whisperer....he talks Equus. He claims that he and his steed can cut cattle etc without the horse ever being forced to perform. Has anyone seen his 'joining up' method of backing horses? Dr Natalie Waran Edinburgh University From: IN%"lvcjn@ssa.bristol.ac.uk" "C.J.Nicol" 4-OCT-1996 02:53:05.64 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Monty Roberts Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA89VGHEDE8YA5AW@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 02:52:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk (dira.bris.ac.uk) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA89VDLPQ88Y9KLJ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 02:52:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from ssa.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:52:02 +0100 Received: by ssa.bris.ac.uk (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA23336; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:51:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:51:58 +0000 (BST) From: "C.J.Nicol" Subject: Monty Roberts To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA89VGHXO48YA5AW@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610040851.AA23336@ssa.bris.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Monty Roberts is currently touring the UK. I saw him at Exeter Riding centre last night and he will be giving displays around the country until October 22 - I have dates and venues if anyone is interested. The show comprised a half hour demonstration of his 'join-up' technique with a previously unsaddled 3 year old gelding, and a further 45 minute display of his Western riding horse, Duelly. Duelly was trained with a form of bit that automatically resulted in less pressure when he lowered his head to 'accept' the rider's hands. Generally he was ridden with little or no rein contact, but stopped and pirouetted on command (voice commands, shifts of body weight as signals). For the final act his bridle was removed completely and he demonstrated cutting out cattle using only a neck strap. Duelly had clearly been well-trained with controlled and gentle use of the bit in combination with other signals. In the absence of the bit the other signals were sufficient to produce the same response. I am sure the bit is a useful initial training aid that could be dispensed with at a later stage for many horses/purposes. Anyone who sees me galloping across the M5 motorway will appreciate I might have got this wrong... but I'm going to give it a go. N.B. The remaining 90minutes of the Monty Roberts show consisted of him signing books and videos. An unsigned copy will obviously be a rare collectors item. Christine Nicol Department of Clinical Veterinary Science University of Bristol From: IN%"heath@vetethol.demon.co.uk" 4-OCT-1996 03:42:37.36 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: 1997 International Behaviour meeting Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8BLTVITU8YA5AW@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 03:42:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8BLGB3VK8Y97OY@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 03:42:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ap27989; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:19 -0300 (BST) Received: from vetethol.demon.co.uk ([158.152.251.101]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa01344; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:03 -0300 (BST) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 19:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: heath@vetethol.demon.co.uk Subject: 1997 International Behaviour meeting To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: heath@vetethol.demon.co.uk Resent-message-id: <01IA8BLTWBRO8YA5AW@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS INTERNATIONAL VETERINARY BEHAVIOUR MEETING APRIL 1 AND 2 1997 BIRMINGHAM, UK The Companion Animal Behaviour Therapy Study Group in association with the European Society of Veterinary Clinical Ethology and a number of national veterinary behaviour groups around the world would like to call for papers to be delivered at the above conference. Presentations concerning any aspect of companion animal (including equine) behaviour therapy will take the form of : Full spoken papers (30 minutes duration) Short communications (10 minutes duration) Posters. Each of these may take the form of : Research presentations Case reports Critical review articles In all instances a 500 word printed abstract should be submitted in English by December 1st 1996 to the address below for consideration by the scientific panel. Assistance with English format will be provided if requested. Please remember to indicate the type of presentation you would prefer to deliver and whether you would consider delivering it in any other form. Presenters of spoken papers will be entitled to a discounted conference registration fee and awards will be made for the best case reports submitted by a student and by a practitioner. All papers and registrations of interest should be submitted in the first instance to: Daniel Mills BVSc MRCVS, De Montfort University Lincoln, School of Agriculture and Horticulture, Caythorpe Court, Caythorpe. Lincs NG32 3EP U.K. EDmail dmills@dmu.ac.uk Phone 44 (0) 1400 272060 Fax 44 (0) 1400 273708 It is to be hoped that this will be a truly international meeting of ideas. There will be workshops on the approaches to establishing a diagnosis ( which varies greatly between countries and individuals) as well as the welfare implications of behaviour problems and their management. The conference runs for the two days immediately preceding the WSAVA/BSAVA Conference in Birmingham and so foreign veterinary delegates can have a really worthwhile trip! Depending on the level of sponsorship we may be able to assist with travel expenses for speakers not supported by their own national behaviour society or work institution. Offers of sponsorship should be sent in writing to the address above. INTERNATIONAL VETERINARY BEHAVIOUR MEETING APRIL 1 AND 2 1997 BIRMINGHAM, UK NOTIFICATION OF INTEREST TO ATTEND/PRESENT PLEASE PRINT CLEARLY IN CAPITAL LETTERS: Last Name:----------------------------------------------- Initial-------- First Name:------------------------- Address:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- City:---------------------------------------- Country------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone-----------------------------------------------------Fax------------------------------------------------- ----- E-mail----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- * I would like to attend the CABTSG/ESVCE International Behaviour Meeting 1997, please send a registration form when available. * I would like to present a full paper/short communication/poster * at the CABTSG/ESVCE International Behaviour Meeting 1997 and will send an abstract by 1/12/96. Please send a registration form and further details regarding submission of abstracts. * Please delete as appropriate Send completed form to: Daniel Mills BVSc MRCVS, De Montfort University Lincoln, School of Agriculture and Horticulture, Caythorpe Court, Caythorpe. Lincs NG32 3EP U.K. E-mail dmills@dmu.ac.uk Phone 44 (0) 1400 272060 Fax 44 (0) 1400 273708 INTERNATIONAL VETERINARY BEHAVIOUR MEETING APRIL 1 AND 2 1997 BIRMINGHAM, UK Guidelines for Abstracts Please read all instructions carefully before submitting your abstract(s). Abstracts that are not submitted according to the guidelines will not be considered. One original and three blind copies (authors names and addresses omitted) must be received by : Daniel Mills BVSc MRCVS, De Montfort University Lincoln, School of Agriculture and Horticulture, Caythorpe Court, Caythorpe. Lincs NG32 3EP U.K. EDmail dmills@dmu.ac.uk Phone 44 (0) 1400 272060 Fax 44 (0) 1400 273708 no later than December 1st 1996. Letters of acceptance will be sent during January 1997. Abstract description Data papers Abstracts must include the following components: 1. An introduction (short paragraph introducing the study and its objective) 2. A description of the subjects in the study such as number, type, age, gender and species. 3. A description of the experimental method, including design type, data collection, data analysis and apparatus used. 4. Results including test value and level of significance where appropriate. 5. Discussion and conclusions Review and non data papers and case reports 1. An introduction (short paragraph introducing the topic) 2. Outline of the main points to be made 3. Discussion All submissions will also be evaluated in terms of the originality of the topic. Abstracts should be based on work completed by the time the abstract is submitted. Reviewers may suggest that a paper may be more appropriately presented in a different format and the authors will be offered that option. Proceedings will be published by Universities Federation for Animal Welfare in an ISBN publication. INTERNATIONAL VETERINARY BEHAVIOUR MEETING APRIL 1 AND 2 1997 Abstract Application This application with the original abstract and three (3) blind copies must arrive by DECEMBER 1st 1996 Please print clearly and in CAPITAL letters Title: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Authors: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Last name, First name) Please indicate the presenting author with an asterisk * Postal address: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phone: Home: -----------------------------------------Work: --------------------------- Fax:-----------------------------------E-mail:-------------------------------------------------- Indicate presentation format preference (tick as appropriate): Full spoken paper (30 minutes duration) --------- Short communication (10 minutes duration) --------- Poster ---------- If your work is not accepted for the preferred format would you be willing to present in a different one (delete as appropriate): Yes / No Signed: ----------------------------------------------------- Date------------------------------- Return to: Daniel Mills BVSc MRCVS, De Montfort University Lincoln, School of Agriculture and Horticulture, Caythorpe Court, Caythorpe. Lincs NG32 3EP U.K. EDmail dmills@dmu.ac.uk Phone 44 (0) 1400 272060 Fax 44 (0) 1400 273708 INTERNATIONAL VETERINARY BEHAVIOUR MEETING APRIL 1 AND 2 1997 BIRMINGHAM, UK ABSTRACT FORMAT 1. The entire abstract, including title, author(s), address, text and acknowledgements must fit on one side of a sheet of A4 (297 x 210 mm) or US letter (279 x 216 mm) paper (approximately 500 words). 2. The size of font used should be 10 or 12 point. 3. Title should be in CAPITAL letters and bold type. 4. List all authors (first name, last name) directly underneath the title on the original abstract only. 5. Author(s) names should be followed by the location where the research was conducted (institution, city, country). 6. The three (3) blind copies must not contain author(s) names or institutional affiliation. 7. Leave a one line gap after the title before typing the text of the abstract. 8. The text should be one and a half or double spaced. 9. Do not indent for paragraphs but leave a one line gap between paragraphs. 10. When using abbreviations spell out in full when first mentioned, followed by the abbreviation in parentheses. Do not abbreviate in the title of the abstract. 11. Tables are not permitted in the abstract. From: IN%"G.Scott@au.sac.ac.uk" "Graham Scott" 4-OCT-1996 05:54:47.67 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Job Advert Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8G8PFV1E8YA4A2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:54:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from au.sac.ac.uk (kyle.au.sac.ac.uk) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8G8KD53K8YB7ZJ@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:54:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from sac2035 by au.sac.ac.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07795; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:01:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:53:35 +0000 From: Graham Scott Subject: Job Advert To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA8G8PGNZ88YA4A2@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610041101.AA07795@kyle.au.sac.ac.uk> Organization: SAC X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is A position is probably going to become available early in 1997. (The current staff member has moved to another project.) The post is for a post-graduate research assistant for a period of 2.5 years in the first instance. It is based at SAC Auchincruive, Ayr, Scotland. The work is concerned with the development of a "high-welfare" perchery system for laying hens. Experiments in applied ethology (and human ergonomics) enable us to establish design criteria and engineering specifications for the new design. The perchery is at the prototype stage in preparation for commercial development. Some systems require further investigation, using bird behaviour to measure "success". Candidates should have a biological degree. Numeracy and good communication skills are essential. Candidates should be able to design experiments and be able to collect data accurately. The candidate will also be responsible for the day-to-day control of the project. The successful candidate will have the opportunity to expand his/her responsibility , assisting in directing the course of the research and to publish the results. Please contact me for further information. From: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin E Walker" 4-OCT-1996 06:35:20.08 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Bridleless Riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8HMYIX0I8YA4A2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 06:35:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from nora.pcug.co.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8HMUBT748YB8A7@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 06:35:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from helen.pcug.co.uk by nora.pcug.co.uk id aa00164; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:21 -0300 (BST) Received: from coape by helen.pcug.co.uk id aa25663; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:21 -0300 (BST) Received: by win-uk.net!coape; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:19:10 -0300 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:19:10 +0000 From: Robin E Walker Subject: Bridleless Riding To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: Robin E Walker Resent-message-id: <01IA8HMYJGAS8YA4A2@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <530@coape.win-uk.net> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.60 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Hi > >Its great to see horses and riding featuring as a topic on the applied ethology >net. I had given up and started to look elsewhere (horsesci net for >example) for my fix of equine tails.... > >Bridleless riding is one of the skills demonstrated by Monty Roberts. >Mr Roberts (for the unhorsey people amongst you ) sees himself as a >modern day horse whisperer....he talks Equus. He claims that he and his steed can >cut cattle etc without the horse ever being forced to perform. > >Has anyone seen his 'joining up' method of backing horses? > >Dr Natalie Waran >Edinburgh University > > > Yes! Saw it on the TV and also "live" at the National Dog Wardens Symposium last year. It was particularly interesting on that occasion to see a young protegee of Mr. Roberts who has a complete mastery of the technique, fail to "succeed" with a particularly feisty mare. The mare brought its owner in alternately dangling her from the head collar and shoulder barging her hither and thither. A lady proponent of the method took a turn on the second day and improved the "manners" of the mare by being "more feisty". She seemed to assume a much more aggressive stance (like a top mare!") and chivvied the horse by noise and occasional "nips" with a can of stones. Whilst us "cookie pushers" on the "wet" wing of the dog behaviour world clung swooning to our seats, the lady pushed the mare until it seemed to relish the opportunity to "come in" and be sociable. Odd business. But impressive. [This was of course remedial work not backing a raw horse] I suppose a horse herd in flight (resembling a shoal of half-ton minnows!) can only avoid a catastrophic "pile-up" or head on collisions if all the members have some sort of social subordination to leaders? The upshot of the demo was a mare which was lead out by the same owner in control, armed with a hand signal, and a "rattly" right hand behind her back. All in the space of a half-hour! In the main Mr. Robert's method is absolutely co-ercion free and conducted in a very gentle manner. The semiology of authority (equine) seems to do the trick, allied with a horsey craving for companionship. PS The ancient "horsey" nations seemed to manage very well without bits and furthermore rode without stirrups. I have come to wonder whether the art of "stirrup balancing" ought to be differentiated from "real riding" ? :) From: IN%"rushenj@EM.AGR.CA" "Jeff Rushen" 4-OCT-1996 07:13:35.87 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: identification Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8IZFRBTU8YA5AW@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 07:13:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8IZBR4V48WYLQ3@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 07:13:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA27571 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10961 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:11:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:12:50 -0400 From: Jeff Rushen Subject: identification To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA8IZFRV4K8YA5AW@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 24 Text ** PRIVATE ** >>> 04/10/ 08h59 >>> A position is probably going to become available early in 1997. ..... (snip) Please contact me for further information.>>> How? By telepathy? My mail package rips off all header information, and the messages come from applied-ethology-error, so I can't reply automatically. Even if I wanted to apply for this job, it would be a lengthy process to find out where the message comes from. Even then, I usually end up with an unfathomable, cryptic address. I know that there are other people in a similar or worse situation than me. Therefore, PLEASE, when you send a message to A-E, PLEASE identify yourself (unless, like me, you really want to remain anonymous) yours, IRATE, Lennoxville. (irate@lennoxville.centre-of-world.universe) From: IN%"J.T.N.VANDERWERF@id.dlo.nl" "J.T.N.vanderWerf@id.dlo.nl" 4-OCT-1996 09:17:07.41 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Reply on Behaviour and heart rate recording systems Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8NAGLI1E8YAVN0@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:16:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from gatekeeper.agro.nl by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8NA9XZCW8YAZBU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:16:44 -0600 (CST) Received: by gatekeeper.agro.nl; id AA27832; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 17:16:35 +0200 Received: from ASTRIX (ASTRIX) by AGRO.NL (PMDF V5.0-7 #12026) id <01IA920DULYO00ZZ2V@AGRO.NL> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:17:53 +0000 (MED) Received: from MENHIR by ID.DLO.NL (PMDF V4.3-7 #7536) id <01IA944IX55C000RFK@ID.DLO.NL>; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 17:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MENHIR.ID.DLO.NL by MENHIR.ID.DLO.NL (PMDF V4.3-7 #7536) id <01IA92B1XDF40005UN@MENHIR.ID.DLO.NL>; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:26:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "J.T.N.vanderWerf@id.dlo.nl" Subject: Reply on Behaviour and heart rate recording systems To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA8NAGMAZ88YAVN0@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <01IA92B1XECY0005UN@MENHIR.ID.DLO.NL> X-VMS-To: in%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear all, We, from the Institute of Animal Science and Health (ID-dlo) in The Netherlands, found the request by Elisabetta Canali for information on behaviour and heart rate recording systems. Indeed we do use The Observer version 3.0 Windows together with it's Video Tape Analysis (VTA) system for some few weeks now. Compared to The Observer and VTA version 3.0 Dos, with which we had been working for a few years, the Windows-version essentially does not give anything new in the field of behaviour-recording, however the general Windows advantages clearly make us prefer the latter. One pleasant thing is the option to have the video-image displayed in a sizeable window on the PC-monitor, which brings the monitor and the datasheet (score-time + event) right next to each other in one screen for easy reference. This option requires a video-overlay-board plugged into your computer. For those readers to whom The Observer (base package) is new, basically this is what it allows you to do: 1) Define an ethogram (actors, behavi- ours) 2) Define keys of your keyboard as actors and behaviours 3) Run the programme for doing actual observations. The result will be a datafile in ascii-format holding your key-presses (as in the ethogram) together with the score-time 4) Run some basic analysis to produce frequencies, laten- cies, averages, graphical views etc. 5) Export the basic results per observation (spreadsheet or database format) to allow for further statis- tical analysis with other software programmes. If you are not aquainted with the VTA-system, essentially this links your score-time with the videotape-time no matter which speed or direction you play your tape (normal/reverse, pause, wind/rewind, fast/slow motion; whatever options your videoplayer has). Also with time-lapse tapes your score-time jumps in time-lapse speed. This connection allows you to pau- se/review/edit your event-recording, or split-up your recording in multip- le sessions if your ethogram is very complex. For the VTA you will need a videoplayer with a time-code-generator which stamps/reads an invisible time-code on every single videoframe of your tape. Besides on-site observations, we make use of video recordings a lot in our research, and we find the VTA-system very practical and useful. As we shifted from 3.0 Dos to 3.0 Windows it took one of us a day or two to have the programme and video-overlay-board installed and to fool around throug- hout the programme. We had no further training. With proper instructions and our own hand-out it will take future users here a few hours to be working with it on their own. Personnel that will assist with the actual event-recording only will be sufficiently instructed in less than an hour. Also we do have experience with the Polar heart rate recording system. The 'old' Polar Sport Tester was validated by our Department earlier (Hop- ster,H and Blokhuis,H.J. 1994. Validation of a heart-rate monitor for measuring a stress response in dairy cows. Can.J.Anim.Sci., 74:465-474) and we are now well ahead doing a comparable study with the new Polar Vantage NV (Kees van Reenen et al.). The software of the Polar Vantage NV (version 5.00 windows) has 2 compo- nents: 1) Heart Rate Analyses 2) Sports Diary. We did not explore the latter as it seems for training scedules, trainers and atletes. The Heart Rate Analyses part has become a bit more complex as compared to the very straight forward software of the earlier release. Compared to the Polar Sport Tester (software version 3.20) one advantage is the beat-to-beat recording indeed (stored as inter-beat time in msec.). Another advantage is the non-interference of multiple monitors close to each other, e.g. in one pen. With calves either resting or exercising on a treadmill our recordings went well. The beat-to-beat system seems more sensitive than the 5 sec. method as we have less trouble of 'flat lines' and 'blank periods' in our recordings, presumably because of the absence of the 5 sec. averaging algoritm. Whereas the Sport Tester produces smooth curves, the beat-to-beat system produces very whimsical curves. The Polar Vantage NV can be set to data-storage every 5, 10, 60 seconds as was the case with the Polar Sport Tester and it's storage capacity has increased 4 times. In beat-to-beat mode, storage capacity is 4000 beats (approx. 40 min. depending on heartrate). We do not have experience with heart rate recordings on horses. We hope that this information will be of much use to you. Sincerely, Joop van der Werf Department of Behaviour, StressPhysiology and Management Institute of Animal Science and Health (ID-dlo) P.O.Box 65 8200 AB Lelystad The Netherlands E-mail: j.t.n.vanderwerf@id.dlo.nl From: IN%"G.Scott@au.sac.ac.uk" "Graham Scott" 4-OCT-1996 09:31:55.67 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: job advert Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8NSX4ERM8YAVN0@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:31:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from au.sac.ac.uk (kyle.au.sac.ac.uk) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8NSOE5408YBAY7@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:31:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from sac2035 by au.sac.ac.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12426; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:30:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:23:02 +0000 From: Graham Scott Subject: job advert To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA8NSX4Y2C8YAVN0@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610041530.AA12426@kyle.au.sac.ac.uk> Organization: SAC X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is Hi everyone I have been asked to remail this and include my snail mail address at the bottom, so here goes! A position is probably going to become available early in 1997. (The current staff member has moved to another project.) The post is for a post-graduate research assistant for a period of 2.5 years in the first instance. It is based at SAC Auchincruive, Ayr, Scotland. The work is concerned with the development of a "high-welfare" perchery system for laying hens. Experiments in applied ethology (and human ergonomics) enable us to establish design criteria and engineering specifications for the new design. The perchery is at the prototype stage in preparation for commercial development. Some systems require further investigation, using bird behaviour to measure "success". Candidates should have a biological degree. Numeracy and good communication skills are essential. Candidates should be able to design experiments and be able to collect data accurately. The candidate will also be responsible for the day-to-day control of the project. The successful candidate will have the opportunity to expand his/her responsibility , assisting in directing the course of the research and to publish the results. Please contact me for further information. My address is Graham Scott SAC Poultry Science Department Auchincruive Ayr Scotland KA6 5HW Tel: 01292 525099/525100 fax: 01292 525098 e-mail g.scott@au.sac.ac.uk From: IN%"BSteele64@aol.com" 4-OCT-1996 10:45:52.32 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: kennel behavior in dogs Return-path: Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8QEOQ3JK8Y9DF4@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:45:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29651 for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:45:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:45:40 -0400 From: BSteele64@aol.com Subject: kennel behavior in dogs To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <961004124539_202009465@emout10.mail.aol.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I was wondering if anyone had any information about any studies that have been done regarding dogs in boarding kennels. I am doing a project on the behavior of dogs in boarding facilities by observing them in this setting but I would like to know about any previous studies. Thank You Shana Kinsley From: IN%"rundle@rpi.edu" "Erika D. Rundle" 4-OCT-1996 14:10:23.93 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Primate Centers Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8XJ2ZQTE8YAVN0@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:10:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA8XITL3GG8Y9IJQ@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:10:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from sage3101-04.its.rpi.edu (sage3101-04.its.rpi.edu [128.113.71.23]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA14768 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:09:35 -0400 Received: (rundle@localhost) by sage3101-04.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id QAA13542 for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:09:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:09:32 -0400 From: "Erika D. Rundle" Subject: Primate Centers To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA8XJ30TEC8YAVN0@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610041609.ZM19940@sage3101-04.its.rpi.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi. This note is in response to Nathalie from Edinburgh who wanted information on wildlife rehabilitation centers and primate centers in Africa. There is an excellent website called the Primate Info Network. It has many links and includes information on rehabilitation centers, job information, primate study centers, newsgroups and more. Its address is: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/pin/. I am very interested in this area myself and signed up for this newsgroup hoping to hear some discussion on the subject. Nathalie--I loved the quote from Leonardo da Vinci that you have appended to the end of your email message. It really expresses something I have always felt but have never been able to put into words. Erika Rundle M.S. Communication and Rhetoric Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York rundle@rpi.edu From: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "David Appleby" 5-OCT-1996 03:36:34.23 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Bridleless Riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA9PNR9KLE8YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 03:36:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA9PNC55TS8YAPSZ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 03:35:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab00632; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 08:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from petbcent.demon.co.uk ([158.152.134.95]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa08951; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 09:03 -0300 (BST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 08:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: David Appleby Subject: RE: Bridleless Riding To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA9PNSROW48YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:19:10 +0000 Robin E Walker wrote: > >>Hi >> > >The ancient "horsey" nations seemed to manage very well without bits >and furthermore rode without stirrups. I have come to wonder whether >the art of "stirrup balancing" ought to be differentiated from "real >riding" ? :) > Was it not the invention of the stirrup that allowed the rise of the heavily armoured horseman. Without the stability the stirrup provided they did not have the ability to dominate the battle field and without it we would not have had the medieval knight. Speak to you soon. David ============================================ Name:David Appleby Address:The Pet Behaviour Centre, Upper street, Defford, Worcestershire. WR8 9AB.England. Phone and fax:+44(0)1386 750615 E-mail:appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk WWW: http://webzone1.co.uk/www/apbc/pbc.htm ============================================ From: IN%"Birgitte.I.Damm@ihh.kvl.dk" "Birgitte Iversen Damm" 5-OCT-1996 06:16:04.94 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Wildlife research in Africa. Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA9V9C03OY8YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 06:16:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from kvl.dk (130.225.43.254) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IA9V98OLZK8YAQLF@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 06:15:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from KVL3-Message_Server by kvl.dk with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 14:20:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 13:14:41 +0100 From: Birgitte Iversen Damm Subject: Wildlife research in Africa. To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IA9V9C1PK48YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To Nathalie from Edinburgh who was interested in wildlife and primate rehab./research centers in Africa: I have heard of The Baboon Research Camp Pouote Bay 13 Mann Botswana I was told about it on a trip to Indonesia by an Indian couple ! They knew Ryne Palombit, who does research there. I actually don't know anything else about it, but maybe you can make use of the adress. Good luck from Birgitte Damm Div. of Ethology and Health The Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University B#lowsvej 13 DK-1870 Frederiksberg C Denmark e-mail bid@kvl.dk From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 5-OCT-1996 09:19:48.32 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: rehabilitation centres reply Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAA1OC6RXE8YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 09:19:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from goofy.iafrica.com by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAA1O7N2SG8Y70G3@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 09:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from 196-7-192-81.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0v9YVj-000B1lC; Sat, 5 Oct 96 17:19 GMT+0200 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 15:21:04 +0000 (GMT) From: k9acad@iafrica.com Subject: Re: rehabilitation centres reply To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAA1OC7B848YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <38EAD620CF@ed.sac.ac.uk> > Is there anybody who could help me finding addresses of wildlife > rehabilitation centres, especially for primates in Africa? Hi Natalie I have put out feelers for you but so far have'nt had any feedback. Off the top of my head we have a rehab. centre here in Durban (KwaZulu Natal. South Africa) called C.R.O.W. There is also one in Zimbabwe run by Viv. Wilson called Chipingali. Both the above rehabilitate most types of wild animals and not specifically primates though. Are you wanting a primate only rehab.centre? GLYNNE ANDERSON k9acad@iafrica.com From: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin E Walker" 5-OCT-1996 10:56:43.33 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Bridleless riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAA52FTDJ68YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 10:56:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from nora.pcug.co.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAA4WN8YOG8YBZ8A@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 10:56:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from helen.pcug.co.uk by nora.pcug.co.uk id aa16421; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 17:51 -0300 (BST) Received: from coape by helen.pcug.co.uk id aa17063; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 17:51 -0300 (BST) Received: by win-uk.net!coape; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:47:24 -0300 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:47:24 +0000 From: Robin E Walker Subject: Bridleless riding To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: Robin E Walker Resent-message-id: <01IAA52FU6H08YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <534@coape.win-uk.net> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.60 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Sat 04 Oct David wrote:- >Was it not the invention of the stirrup that allowed the rise of >provided they did not have the ability to dominate the battle field >and without it we would not have had the medieval knight. Sir Charles Oman's ideas were attractive at first sight but the idea does not fit the facts. Horsemen everybit as heavily armoured as any up to the 14th century were in existance from ancient greek and persian times. The cataphracts (covered in mail) and clibanarii (metal ovens :) ..that must have been what it was like to wear) were met and overthrown by Greek and Roman infantry and light cavalry for century after century. This idea turns aside from historical ethology into the realms of sociology. If you look closely ,the wearing of armour by the ruling classes is directly proportional to the type of weapon born by the toiling, gumbling lower class infantry. The "toff" leaders of bowmen tended to wear a great deal of protection. They also had sleeping quarters with a private drawbridge!! The Norman "Keep" wasn't just an inner redoubt in time of seige. It was the nightly redoubt of the filthy rich! The Parthian aristocracy ruled a mass of Saka bowmen, asiatic cousins of the Scythians, the Normans led muttering ranks of grumpy Welsh bowman. etc.etc. The support of an mail clad, shield bearing, lance wielding Roman cavalry man was achieved by a "cheating" saddle. The saddle had a raised curved seat back and two long curving horns that came up off the pommel and snugged over the thighs. [The lady's side saddle is a twisted over evolution from this] I suspect that the stirrup was originally the resort of peoples who rode as a national neccessity (irrespective of individual aptitudes) and furthermore in prodigious migrations and military advances which entailed sleeping in the saddle. The historians describe horsemen who had up to 20 horses in a string which they mounted in rotation. At the halt they drew blood from a leg vein of one of the mounts and drank it. Meat was tenderized under the saddle blanket.bundles of fodder hung from the saddle. Incredible distances were covered by the horde to the utter dismay and destruction of settled communities and central governments disposing of limited forces! Historical ethology interests itself in such matters as the forage requirements of several thousand Huns or Mongols, their horse strings, their family ox-wagons and teams and their attendant flocks. The survival of our civilization owed much to the ability to hold a walled city until the horde and its livestock ate and drank itself into "forward flight" and was obliged to leave! [A steady foot soldier with a pointed stake, pike or a bayonet has always seen "off" the horseman. People ran from horses if they believe the myth!] From: IN%"robin@coape.win-uk.net" "Robin E Walker" 5-OCT-1996 10:58:43.99 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Bridleless riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAA54X8OLE8YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 10:58:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from nora.pcug.co.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAA54JOQ1C8WZCKX@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 10:58:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from helen.pcug.co.uk by nora.pcug.co.uk id aa16421; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 17:51 -0300 (BST) Received: from coape by helen.pcug.co.uk id aa17063; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 17:51 -0300 (BST) Received: by win-uk.net!coape; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:47:24 -0300 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:47:24 +0000 From: Robin E Walker Subject: Bridleless riding To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: Robin E Walker Resent-message-id: <01IAA54X97W48YBSGL@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <534@coape.win-uk.net> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.60 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Sat 04 Oct David wrote:- >Was it not the invention of the stirrup that allowed the rise of >provided they did not have the ability to dominate the battle field >and without it we would not have had the medieval knight. Sir Charles Oman's ideas were attractive at first sight but the idea does not fit the facts. Horsemen everybit as heavily armoured as any up to the 14th century were in existance from ancient greek and persian times. The cataphracts (covered in mail) and clibanarii (metal ovens :) ..that must have been what it was like to wear) were met and overthrown by Greek and Roman infantry and light cavalry for century after century. This idea turns aside from historical ethology into the realms of sociology. If you look closely ,the wearing of armour by the ruling classes is directly proportional to the type of weapon born by the toiling, gumbling lower class infantry. The "toff" leaders of bowmen tended to wear a great deal of protection. They also had sleeping quarters with a private drawbridge!! The Norman "Keep" wasn't just an inner redoubt in time of seige. It was the nightly redoubt of the filthy rich! The Parthian aristocracy ruled a mass of Saka bowmen, asiatic cousins of the Scythians, the Normans led muttering ranks of grumpy Welsh bowman. etc.etc. The support of an mail clad, shield bearing, lance wielding Roman cavalry man was achieved by a "cheating" saddle. The saddle had a raised curved seat back and two long curving horns that came up off the pommel and snugged over the thighs. [The lady's side saddle is a twisted over evolution from this] I suspect that the stirrup was originally the resort of peoples who rode as a national neccessity (irrespective of individual aptitudes) and furthermore in prodigious migrations and military advances which entailed sleeping in the saddle. The historians describe horsemen who had up to 20 horses in a string which they mounted in rotation. At the halt they drew blood from a leg vein of one of the mounts and drank it. Meat was tenderized under the saddle blanket.bundles of fodder hung from the saddle. Incredible distances were covered by the horde to the utter dismay and destruction of settled communities and central governments disposing of limited forces! Historical ethology interests itself in such matters as the forage requirements of several thousand Huns or Mongols, their horse strings, their family ox-wagons and teams and their attendant flocks. The survival of our civilization owed much to the ability to hold a walled city until the horde and its livestock ate and drank itself into "forward flight" and was obliged to leave! [A steady foot soldier with a pointed stake, pike or a bayonet has always seen "off" the horseman. People ran from horses if they believe the myth!] From: IN%"appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk" "David Appleby" 6-OCT-1996 03:57:29.62 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Bridleless riding Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAB4PZN9QA8YC7C4@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 03:57:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAB4PNU30W8YBZ2D@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 03:57:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ai22370; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 09:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from petbcent.demon.co.uk ([158.152.134.95]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa24381; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 10:38 -0300 (BST) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: David Appleby Subject: RE: Bridleless riding To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAB4PZOCB88YC7C4@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:47:24 +0000 Robin E Walker wrote: >On Sat 04 Oct David wrote:- > >>Was it not the invention of the stirrup that allowed the rise of >>provided they did not have the ability to dominate the battle field >>and without it we would not have had the medieval knight. > >Sir Charles Oman's ideas were attractive at first sight but the >idea does not fit the facts. > >Horsemen everybit as heavily armoured as any up to the 14th century >were in existance from ancient greek and persian times. The >cataphracts (covered in mail) and clibanarii (metal ovens :) >..that must have been what it was like to wear) were met and >overthrown by Greek and Roman infantry and light cavalry for >century after century. > >etc.. Thanks for this reply. The points you raise make interesting reading and support the argument. Where then did the stirrup first emerge and why did the *cheating* saddle fall out of favor? If the stirrup arrived early enough did the ancients not use horsemen who might require its use for lack of skill? As for the foot soldier with his pointed stick seeing off the horseman (not all of whom were toffs, there were professional men-at-arms). It seems that it took our medieval forbears a few hundred years to work it out or relearn what had been lost in the dark ages. Even than it required the massed ranks of English and Welsh bowmen (after the powerful Welsh longbow supper seeded the slower crossbow) in Britain and advances in the length, use and efficiency of pole weapons in Scotland and mainland Europe. Finally rounded off by gunpowder. Perhaps this had something to do with the efficiency of armour rather than its weight ie. smaller links and plate. Speak to you soon. David ============================================ Name:David Appleby Address:The Pet Behaviour Centre, Upper street, Defford, Worcestershire. WR8 9AB.England. Phone and fax:+44(0)1386 750615 E-mail:appleby@petbcent.demon.co.uk WWW: http://webzone1.co.uk/www/apbc/pbc.htm ============================================ From: IN%"Heeler@aol.com" 6-OCT-1996 16:43:15.48 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Bridleless riding Return-path: Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IABVGIRCFK8YAFLZ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 16:43:11 -0600 (CST) Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08160 for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 18:43:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 18:43:05 -0400 From: Heeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Bridleless riding To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <961006184304_120042921@emout15.mail.aol.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 96-10-06 07:19:01 EDT, you write: > >Where then did the stirrup first emerge and why did the *cheating* saddle >fall out of favor? If the stirrup arrived early enough did the ancients not >use >horsemen who might require its use for lack of skill? This is just a guess, but it might be related to whenever humans began riding trotting horses as opposed to gaited horses. You can sit on a gaited horse doing his gait, but if you're going to last long on a trotting horse if you try to sit to it You need to post. For that you need stirrups and a saddle that doesn't fasten you to the seat. After that, stirrups caught on with everybody. It's just a guess. Cheers, Margie From: IN%"imiuvezo@imiucca.csi.unimi.it" "Istituto di Zootecnica Veterinaria" 7-OCT-1996 02:10:15.84 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: many thanks from Elisabetta Canali Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IACF9FK56A8YB0B2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 02:10:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from imiucca.csi.unimi.it by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IACF97RMSG8YCBB6@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 02:10:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from [159.149.252.20] by imiucca.csi.unimi.it (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08542; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 10:09:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 10:09:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Istituto di Zootecnica Veterinaria Subject: many thanks from Elisabetta Canali X-Sender: imiuvezo@imiucca.csi.unimi.it To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IACF9FKOGK8YB0B2@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610071009.AA08542@imiucca.csi.unimi.it> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Many thanks to anybody who sent information and suggestions about behaviour and heart rate recording systems! Elisabetta Canali From: IN%"olsen@virgil.ruc.dk" 7-OCT-1996 05:55:32.35 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Cat-cat communication, does paper exist? Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IACN4OPGG28YB0B2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 05:55:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from emma.ruc.dk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IACN4K3VSW8YCFDN@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 05:55:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from virgil.ruc.dk by emma.ruc.dk (4.1/JBA-1.18) id AA18490; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:59:19 +0100 Received: from VIRGIL/MAILQUEUE by virgil.ruc.dk (Mercury 1.21); Mon, 07 Oct 1996 13:52:16 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by VIRGIL (Mercury 1.21); Mon, 07 Oct 1996 13:52:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 13:52:02 +0100 From: Lars Meyer Olsen Subject: Cat-cat communication, does paper exist? To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Reply-to: olsen@virgil.ruc.dk Resent-message-id: <01IACN4OPZQS8YB0B2@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <2C99D031B4@virgil.ruc.dk> Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Confirm-Reading-To: olsen@virgil.ruc.dk Hello everyone, I was hoping to learn from you if a paper by Prof. Paul Leyhausen (Germany) regarding domestic cats 'talking' with each other about mice, their owner etc., exist. This is all the information I have on the paper, since it was only very briefly mentioned in a radio programme 3 weeks ago. Net and research library searches has not produced anything yet. If any of you have info on this, would you please email me? Thanks in advance sorry for the inconvenience Lars Olsen -----The_Scratching_Post---------- Lars M. Olsen, Stud. Env. Science Roskilde University, Life Sciences http://virgil.ruc.dk/~olsen/ __http://emil.ruc.dk/~lmo132______ From: IN%"PWALSH@CLEMSON.EDU" 7-OCT-1996 20:52:35.35 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: I need help! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADIGNO71U8Y4WPU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 20:52:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADIGGQ8748Y4XMC@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 20:52:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from CLEMSON.BITNET by CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU (IBM MVS SMTP V3R1) with BSMTP id 2113; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 22:52:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: PWALSH@CLEMSON.EDU Subject: I need help! To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IADIGNOQC48Y4WPU@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <01IADIGHN6JM8Y4XMC@sask.usask.ca> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am in desperate need of an idea of a small research paper that I have to do. I need an experiment working with very small animals or insects that shows basic principles of animal behavior. I don't even know where to start. If anyone has any idea or could help me out I would greatly appreciate it. E-mail me at PWALSH@CLEMSON.EDU The experiment could be anything, so I am open for all ideas. Thanks alot Phil Walsh From: IN%"Per.Jensen@hhyg.slu.se" 8-OCT-1996 01:42:12.60 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Anything on animal behaviour Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADSKTU7YQ8Y4ZAF@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 01:42:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from sluger.slu.se by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADSKQRU748Y4ZHV@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 01:41:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from [130.238.118.15] (cs2-port13.slu.se [130.238.118.15]) by sluger.slu.se (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA08157 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:41:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:41:29 +0100 From: Per.Jensen@hhyg.slu.se (Per Jensen) Subject: Anything on animal behaviour X-Sender: pelle@hygieia.hhyg.slu.se To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IADSKTVTTW8Y4ZAF@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610080741.IAA08157@sluger.slu.se> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Responding on the very broad reguest from Phil Walsh for help with a study on anything in small animals: For all who are not familiar with it, I would put in a small commercial for the ASAB booklet "Animal behaviour - practical work and data response exercises for sixth form students" by Michael Dockery and Michael Reiss. An excellent source of practicals, to a large extent on small evertebrates. Can be ordered from Michael Dockery, Dept of Biological Sciences, John Dalton Building, Manchester Metropolitan University, Chester Street, Manchester M1 5GD, UK. Don't know if it will help you, Phil, but it is a useful book for anyone involved in teaching. Regards, Per Jensen ******************************************************************* Per Jensen, Professor of Ethology Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences Dept of Animal Hygiene, Section of Ethology POB 345 S-532 24 Skara, Sweden Phone: +46 (0)511 67219 Fax: +46 (0)511 67204 ******************************************************************* From: IN%"J.M.Benge@liverpool.ac.uk" "Jon Benge" 8-OCT-1996 03:20:27.68 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: New graduate seeks experience Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADW0MZNXU8Y4WPU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 03:20:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.liverpool.ac.uk (mail.liv.ac.uk) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADVXL99J48Y4XLV@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 03:20:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from pop.liv.ac.uk by mail.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:17:46 +0100 Received: from pc131143.pctc.liv.ac.uk (pc131143.pctc.liv.ac.uk [138.253.131.143]) by pop.liv.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.6-ajt-2) with SMTP id KAA29385 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:17:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:17:33 -0300 (BST) From: Jon Benge Subject: New graduate seeks experience To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IADW0N07848Y4WPU@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: Normal Hi I've just graduated from the University of Southampton, UK, with an upper second class BSc(Hons) in zoology. I am currently attempting to gain experience in the fields of applied ethology and behavioural ecology. If anyone feels they can help, please email me direct at jbenge620@aol.com I will even offer my services free of charge if necessary! Jon Benge From: IN%"SED168@ed.sac.ac.uk" "Van Moeffaert Nathalie" 8-OCT-1996 03:20:39.20 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: rehabilitation replies! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADW0X38AA8Y4ZS9@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 03:20:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IADW0NPDV48Y4ZHJ@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 03:20:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from ed.sac.ac.uk (sac005.esa.ed.ac.uk [129.215.130.5]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA21531 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:20:06 +0100 Received: from SAC005/SpoolDir by ed.sac.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:21:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SpoolDir by SAC005 (Mercury 1.30); Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:21:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:21:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Van Moeffaert Nathalie Subject: rehabilitation replies! To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IADW0X4AV88Y4ZS9@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: Organization: Scottish Agricultural College X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal dear people who responded to me For some bizarre reason my re-subscription to the network failed last week, so please, if you had sent any replies to the network, instead to me personally, could you please send me another reply? Thank you very much! Nathalie ####################################################### "Man has a great power of speech, which is to a large measure vain and false. The animals have little, but that little is useful and true, and a small and sure thing is better than a great lie." dixit Leonardo da Vinci Nathalie Van Moeffaert MSc Applied Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare School of Agriculture University of Edinburgh West Mains Road Edinburgh ###################################################### From: IN%"mrenner@wcupa.edu" "Renner, Michael" 8-OCT-1996 06:29:24.78 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied Ethology List'" CC: Subj: RE: I need help! Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAE2M1KJIQ8Y4WPU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 06:29:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from palette.wcupa.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAE2LYIP1C8Y50EZ@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 06:29:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by palette.wcupa.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AB10516; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:41:34 -0400 Received: by spectrum.wcupa.edu with Microsoft Mail id <325A7354@spectrum.wcupa.edu>; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 05:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Renner, Michael" Subject: RE: I need help! To: 'Applied Ethology List' Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAE2M1L2T08Y4WPU@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <325A7354@spectrum.wcupa.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied Ethology List'" X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 38 TEXT Try the "bugs in a jar" trick. 1) Have each student supply a clean glass jar with a lid, in the range of .5 - 2 liters. Pinholes in the lid are a good idea, but not required. 2) Cut a piece of cardboard (or stiff paper) so that it roughly bisects the jar with a vertical wall, but allowing passage from one side to the other. 3) Have each student catch a bug (using the term colloquially, not in the strict entomological sense), preferably something with legs or wings. They are to put the critter into the jar and put the lid on it. 4) Place the jar in a bright light, such as the sun or a bright lamp. Turn the jar so that the cardboard is perpendicular to the light source, making a bright side or shaded side. After a few minutes, record which side the bug is on. 5) Every few minutes, record the location of the bug relative to the light. Then turn the jar 180 degrees, reversing bright and dark sides. Most creatures will display a phototaxis, either positive (toward the light) or negative (away from the light). If you want a reference, look around the turn of the century for the work of Jacques Loeb or H.S. Jennings. Sometimes, simple principles are enough to explain behavior. After the exercise, let the bug go into the administrative wing of the department or institution. Just kidding. Maybe... ---------- To: applied-ethology Subject: I need help! Date: Monday, October 07, 1996 10:52PM I am in desperate need of an idea of a small research paper that I have to do. I need an experiment working with very small animals or insects that shows basic principles of animal behavior. I don't even know where to start. If anyone has any idea or could help me out I would greatly appreciate it. E-mail me at PWALSH@CLEMSON.EDU The experiment could be anything, so I am open for all ideas. Thanks alot Phil Walsh From: IN%"TAYLORA@EM.AGR.CA" "Allison Taylor" 8-OCT-1996 07:52:54.08 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: I need help! -Reply Return-path: Received: from gw.agr.ca (gw.agr.ca) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAE5IQDSAO8Y5161@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:52:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ncr.agr.ca (agc6.agr.ca [192.197.71.68]) by agc3.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA18312 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EM.AGR.CA ([142.61.33.4]) by gateway.ncr.agr.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA18073 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AGCAN-Message_Server by EM.AGR.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:51:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:43:48 -0400 From: Allison Taylor Subject: I need help! -Reply To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 27 Text How about: Hyden, H., Egyhazi, E., John, R., & Bartlett, F. RNA base ratio changes in planaria during conditioning. Journal of Neurochemistry 1969, 16:813-821. Shows classical conditioning in planaria ... Allison Allison Taylor, PhD Centre for Food & Animal Research Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada Ottawa, ON taylora@em.agr.ca >>> 10/07/96 11:03pm >>> I am in desperate need of an idea of a small research paper that I have to do. I need an experiment working with very small animals or insects that shows basic principles of animal behavior. I don't even know where to start. If anyone has any idea or could help me out I would greatly appreciate it. E-mail me at PWALSH@CLEMSON.EDU The experiment could be anything, so I am open for all ideas. Thanks alot Phil Walsh From: IN%"p1008@cis.co.za" 8-OCT-1996 10:58:11.00 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Veterinarian Colleges: Australia Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAEBZ133028Y50DR@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:57:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from MailMunch.cis.co.za (MailMunch.cis.co.za) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAEBYDKQ8W8Y53Z4@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:57:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from falcon.cis.co.za (falcon.cis.co.za [196.2.16.3]) by MailMunch.cis.co.za (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA06241 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:05:44 +0200 Received: (from p1008@localhost) by falcon.cis.co.za (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08539; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:55:03 +0200 (CAT GMT) Date: 8 Oct 96 18:31:07 GMT-2 From: p1008@cis.co.za Subject: Veterinarian Colleges: Australia To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAEC0003LW8Y50DR@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610081655.SAA08539@falcon.cis.co.za> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: SecMail v1.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 7 TEXT Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of the author, ____"_____: and not neccesarily those of WNA and/or it's employees. X-smuue: 5 X-smtln: 224 Hi I would be grateful if anyone could please forward the addresses of any veterinarian colleges or universities in Australia to me at the above e-mail address. I need the snail mail addresses. many thanks Philip. From: IN%"ir10000@hermes.cam.ac.uk" 8-OCT-1996 11:44:20.29 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ternary diagrams Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAEDLHXITE8Y50DR@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 11:44:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAEDL9I8LS8Y54O2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 11:44:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from [131.111.51.36] [131.111.51.36] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0vAgBt-0002nE-00; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:43:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:43:37 +0100 From: ir10000@hermes.cam.ac.uk (Irene Rochlitz) Subject: ternary diagrams X-Sender: ir10000@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAEDLHYLEC8Y50DR@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Does anybody have any experience with the use of ternary diagrams in behavioural studies, or can point me to any useful references? Ternary diagrams are commonly used the analysis of compositional data in e.g.geology. Thanks in advance, I. Rochlitz BVSc MSc MRCVS,Animal Welfare Group,Department of Clinical Veterinary Medicine, University of Cambridge, Madingley Road, Cambridge CB3 0ES, UK. From: IN%"MAPPLEBY@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk" "Mike Appleby" 9-OCT-1996 05:20:20.53 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Message for UK/Ireland writers Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAFEHQBHBM8Y5A6M@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 05:20:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAFEHIAXLC8Y5DCI@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 05:20:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk [129.215.136.240]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28164 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:19:51 +0100 Received: from BIO-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:21:05 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BIO-SRV0 (Mercury 1.21); Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:20:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:20:28 +0000 From: Mike Appleby Subject: Message for UK/Ireland writers To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAFEHQC0LW8Y5A6M@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <38A3A875B0B@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Edinburgh University X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Anybody keen to write a book might be interested to know of a competition for Life Sceintists from the Wellcome Trust, with a prize of stlg25,000 to enable the winner to take a break and write a book about the work to which they are devoting their career. It is limited to residents of the UK or Ireland. Harper Collins/Flamingo will be publishing and promoting the winning book proposal. Further details from Marketing Officer, Wellcome Centre for Medical Science, 210 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE, Tel 0171 611 8351, Fax 0171 611 8526, Email marketing@wellcome.ac.uk Closing date for submissions is 7th March 1997. On the other hand I always remember Screwtape saying (in The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis): 'You say your man is thinking too much. Have him write a book. That will stop him thinking altogether.' Mike mappleby@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk From: IN%"TWIDOWSKI@APS.UoGuelph.CA" "TINA WIDOWSKI" 10-OCT-1996 12:43:02.61 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE Proceedings Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAH88MZ1FM8Y5RC9@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:42:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from wright.aps.uoguelph.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAH88FKGLC8Y5QLF@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:42:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from ansci.nw.uoguelph.ca by wright.aps.uoguelph.ca with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13473; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:42:21 -0400 Received: from ANSCI/MAILQ by ansci.nw.uoguelph.ca (Mercury 1.21) ; 10 Oct 96 14:42:20 GMT-5 Received: from MAILQ by ANSCI (Mercury 1.21); 10 Oct 96 14:42:16 GMT-5 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: TINA WIDOWSKI Subject: ISAE Proceedings To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAH88MZUDG8Y5RC9@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <48D0A42F6A@ansci.nw.uoguelph.ca> Organization: Animal & Poultry Science X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal A limited supply of Proceedings of the 30th Congress of the International Society for Applied Ethology, Guelph '96 are available @ $20.00 (Cad) (including shipping). To purchase a copy please write to: ISAE Proceedings c/o Tina Widowski Centre for the Study of Animal Welfare 226 ANNU University of Guelph Guelph, ON N1G 2W1 Canada Please enclose a bank draft in Canadian dollars made payable to "University of Guelph". You may also pay by credit card by sending the following information: Number of copies: Total amount in Canadian dollars: Bankcard name: Visa/Mastercard/American Express Bank name: Card number: Expiry date: Signature: From: IN%"ALund@ZI.KU.DK" "Lund, Anders {ZI}" 11-OCT-1996 03:36:34.23 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ISAE-net" CC: Subj: RE: Insemination in wild animals Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAI3FTW3O28Y5MOU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:36:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from vale.adm.ku.dk (vale.adm.ku.dk) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAI3FPZ6DC8Y61CT@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:36:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from garm.adm.ku.dk (garm.adm.ku.dk [130.225.127.34]) by vale.adm.ku.dk (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA21976 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:36:15 +0200 (METDST) Received: from AKI.KU.DK (aki.ku.dk [130.225.206.2]) by garm.adm.ku.dk (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA25187 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:36:13 +0200 (METDST) Received: by AKI.KU.DK with Microsoft Mail id <325E30EB@AKI.KU.DK>; Fri, 11 Oct 96 11:35:07 DST Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 15:08:00 DST From: "Lund, Anders {ZI}" Subject: Re: Insemination in wild animals To: ISAE-net Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAI3FTWMYS8Y5MOU@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <325E30EB@AKI.KU.DK> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ISAE-net" X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 14 TEXT Dear Net-members! Does anyone have any information on use of insemination in breeding (programs) in wild animals /zoo's? Yours Anders Lund e-mail: ALund@ZI.KU.DK University of Copenhagen Phone: (+45) 35321306 Zoological Institute Fax: (+45) 35321299 Tagensvej 16 DK-2200 Copenhagen DENMARK From: IN%"marithe@mandic.com.br" "maria thereza" 11-OCT-1996 07:26:58.57 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAIBHFE6HE8Y66WY@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:26:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from merlim.mandic.com.br by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAIBHBONRK8WWHEJ@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:26:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME by merlim.mandic.com.br (8.6.12/SMI-SVR4) id LAA19593; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:26:32 -0300 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:26:32 -0300 From: maria thereza Subject: X-Sender: marithe@pop-gw.mandic.com.br (Unverified) To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAIBHFEZF88Y66WY@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610111426.LAA19593@merlim.mandic.com.br> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Please : I am a brasilian veterinarian and I would like to want more information about '1997 International Veterinary Behaviour Meeting ' . Thanks for your attention . maria thereza cera galvao do amaral maria.thereza@mandic.com.br marithe@mandic.com.br ( POP ) maria.thereza@odonto.com.br Sao Paulo - Brasil From: IN%"haussman@rs4703.ansc1.uni-hohenheim.de" "HANS HAUSSMANN" 11-OCT-1996 11:14:35.00 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: cattle herd with natural social structure Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAIJFL3X1U8Y66WY@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:14:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from rs4703.ansc1.uni-hohenheim.de by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAIJFCI7CW8Y5MXR@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:14:14 -0600 (CST) Received: by rs4703.ansc1.uni-hohenheim.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13317; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:58:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:58:37 +0000 From: HANS HAUSSMANN Subject: cattle herd with natural social structure To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAIJFL4GCK8Y66WY@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610111758.AA13317@rs4703.ansc1.uni-hohenheim.de> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Dear ethologists, as I posted earlier this year there is a herd of 170 heads here managed with minimal human interference since about 8 years. The animals are very calm and very familiar with the owner, his son and his daughter, but most of them do not allow direct touching. There are about 20 adult bulls and therefore handling of the herd (changing pasture sites and veterinary treatment) is very different from normal ways and needs special sensitivity and patience. The animals are never forced to anything. As far as I know there is not a second herd like this in the world. I think this herd offers the possibility to do long range studies on the natural behaviour of a domesticated and now free living bos taurus breed (Simmental). There is a great danger that the herd must be subjected now to compulsory measures (identification with ear tags, regular collection of blood samples, regular catching of a slaughter animal) because of the veterinary regulations. I would need help to convince the veterinary authorities that this herd is needed for research purposes and that investigation of the innate and natural behaviour of cattle is still needed. I know of only one series of publications on a zebu herd under similar conditions which were done by Reinhardt in the early 80s on a farm in Kenia. All other cattle have no chance to develop and show their natural behavioural inventory. There is really no need for all these compulsory measures because desease control can be achieved by blood samples taken from slaughtered animals and slaughtering can be done by a new procedure on the pasture without any disturbance and any stress. Even veterinarians say this, but there are the regulations ... Dr. Stephen Hall in Cambridge has already sent me a wonderful letter to be presented to my veterinarians. I would need a few letters more of this kind! Is anybody there who could give support? Regards ___________________ ,--¬_ Hans Haussmann haussman@hh.as.uni-hohenheim.de ,;;,_ ____/ /|/ Institute for Animal Husbandry and Animal Breeding ;; ( )___, ) ' (Institut fuer Tierhaltung und Tierzuechtung) ,' // V\__ University of Hohenheim, Germany _ / \ / \ Fax + 49 711 459 4239 ¬ ¬ ' Fon + 49 711 459 2476 (3006) ___________________ Mail 470/HG, Uni Hohenheim, D-70593 Stuttgart For those who don't know me: I am professor for animal genetics (born 38) but now more interested in animal behaviour/husbandry/welfare. From: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" 11-OCT-1996 18:31:22.93 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAIYN5S4SY8Y6E03@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:30:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAIYMJISFK8Y5U5B@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:29:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from ppp-11.it.ki.se by ki.se with SMTP id AA29000 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:07:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:07:01 +0100 From: Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se (Marianne de Loes) Subject: X-Sender: mardel@mbox.ki.se To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAIYN755US8Y6E03@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610120007.AA29000@ki.se> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear netmembers, I am wondering about the behaviour of my pet dog, 2 years (bichon petit chien lion) who's forelegs are itching an bothering her. I suppose it is a lack of something, or an allergy. Could it be protein allergy, due to an abundance? I have cut out all milk products and feed her with rice and boiled minced meat, mostly mixed beef and pork. I was told to give her lamb, but they don't have that on the island I live on. There are no signs or eczema on her legs. My other dog, a labrador, 6 years, drives me crazy outdoors when she finds dog dung, or other dung (she does not care for horse apples though). Apart from that she is a very obedient and wanting-to-please-dog, but she will even try to eat dung when I am close; that is the lust is bigger than the wish to obey. I know labradors don't have a "saturation center", but my hope is that she is lacking of something, minerals or ? and could be helped. I would be very glad if anybody could give me an idea on what to do. Marianne de Loes Marianne de Lo=EBs Dr med.sc. Karolinska Institute Dept of Public Health Sciences Division of Social Medicine S-172 83 Sundbyberg Sweden Phone +46 8 629 0500 Fax + 46 8 989 367 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=20 From: IN%"kckissan@alpha.delta.edu" "Kelly Caithlin Kissane" 11-OCT-1996 20:01:11.07 To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "Marianne de Loes" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: your mail Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJ1S2P2QA8Y59EP@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:00:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from alpha.delta.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJ1RP8ETC8Y6BI4@sask.usask.ca>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:59:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by alpha.delta.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/20Dec95-1058AM) id AA17946; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:02:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kelly Caithlin Kissane Subject: Re: your mail In-reply-to: <199610120007.AA29000@ki.se> To: Marianne de Loes Cc: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAJ1S2RR6C8Y59EP@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "Marianne de Loes" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Marianne, dung-eating is very common in dogs. Unfortunately, I don't know of a cure. A healthy diet helps, but it may be that you're fighting instinct. I know that female dogs clean up after their offspring, presumably to prevent predators from finding the den. Allergies are also common - and a dog trainer told me that a common reaction to *any* allergy - hayfever, dust, etc. is to bite and suck on their paws. If she is making her forelegs sore, the best advice is to take her to a vet and see what type of allergy she has. Kelly C. Kissane Grad student Central Michigan University arachnology/animal behavior From: IN%"kckissan@alpha.delta.edu" "Kelly Caithlin Kissane" 11-OCT-1996 20:04:22.34 To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "Marianne de Loes" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca", IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: your mail Return-path: Received: from alpha.delta.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJ1RP8ETC8Y6BI4@sask.usask.ca>; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:59:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by alpha.delta.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/20Dec95-1058AM) id AA17946; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:02:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kelly Caithlin Kissane Subject: Re: your mail In-reply-to: <199610120007.AA29000@ki.se> To: Marianne de Loes Cc: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Marianne, dung-eating is very common in dogs. Unfortunately, I don't know of a cure. A healthy diet helps, but it may be that you're fighting instinct. I know that female dogs clean up after their offspring, presumably to prevent predators from finding the den. Allergies are also common - and a dog trainer told me that a common reaction to *any* allergy - hayfever, dust, etc. is to bite and suck on their paws. If she is making her forelegs sore, the best advice is to take her to a vet and see what type of allergy she has. Kelly C. Kissane Grad student Central Michigan University arachnology/animal behavior From: IN%"mike@m-tay.demon.co.uk" "Mike Taylor" 12-OCT-1996 06:22:30.83 To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "Marianne de Loes" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: Sacrophagia & Itching Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJNIUP8PU8Y6G88@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 06:22:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJNIR6SFK8WWHV9@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 06:22:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ae22098; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from m-tay.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.23]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa18127; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:12 -0300 (BST) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 10:04:48 +0100 From: Mike Taylor Subject: Sacrophagia & Itching In-reply-to: <199610120007.AA29000@ki.se> To: Marianne de Loes Cc: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAJNIUPS048Y6G88@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "Marianne de Loes" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 <8CRpnYBhCGNUbpSIVXkuoeRVkd> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Marrianne, I would agree with Kelly, dung eating in dogs especially labradors I have found to be very common, it is possibly something to do with the strong odour, being originally scavengers and attracted to strong smells, in the main it doesnt do them any harm although it looks disgusting. One way we have found of stopping dogs eating their own is to feed them a diet that produces smaller less smelly stools, we use Eukanuba, I dont know if that is available in Sweden or not. Otherwise it is just a matter of training. With our own dogs in the garden we sometimes spray the dung with bitter apple or sprinkle with pepper to make it less appetising, it is important the dogs dont see you doing this. However that is not so easy when you are out exercising the dog, then the only real answer is training. training discs or some form of aversion treatment might work. With regard to the itching, I have Newfoundlands that seem to be prone to skin problems, probably because we keep them too warm. They have little red itchy spots come up on their tummies and in " hot spots " inside thighs and in armpits. I use camomile tea on these, it doesnt cure it but it dramatically reduces the irritation, I know I have used it on myself as well. Two camomile tea bags to a mug of water, bring to boil slowly and once boiling leave tea bags in and allow to cool,when cool squeeze out bags and apply slightly warmed to the affected area, if using cotton wool use fresh piece for each area, this brew will keep for three days in the refrigerator. good luck, -- Mike Taylor -- From: IN%"Wilsson@aol.com" 12-OCT-1996 09:34:31.16 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Re:Coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJU8VBK6A8Y6G88@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:34:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAJU8SKP5C8Y6572@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:34:13 -0600 (CST) Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03408 for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:34:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:34:11 -0400 From: Wilsson@aol.com Subject: Re:Coprophagic dogs To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAJU8VCD448Y6G88@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <961012113409_208765716@emout08.mail.aol.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 96-10-11 21:06:59 EDT, applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca writes: >My other dog, a labrador, 6 years, drives me crazy outdoors when she finds dog dung, or other dung (she does not care for horse apples though). Apart from that she is a very obedient and wanting-to-please-dog, but she will even try to eat dung when I am close; that is the lust is bigger than the wish to obey. I know labradors don't have a "saturation center", but my hope is that she is lacking of something, minerals or ? and could be helped. I would be very glad if anybody could give me an idea on what to do. Marianne de Loes Marianne Coprophagia is a common problem in Labrador retrievers. I cant see any other explanation than Labradors are more orally oriented than dogs from other breeds. According my own experience from the Swedish dog Training Center (Hundskolan i Solleftea) it is mainly formed as a bad habit. Correcting the dogs by voice may give som results if the dog is obedient. However, in most cases it will only lead to that the dog is coprophagic when out of sight. Feaces from dogs fed highly digestible diet seems to be less attractive. Therefor, if the dog is eating its own feaces one possible solution would be to feed it high energy food (Royal canin ST-35 or another comercial dog food designed for hard working dogs) The most effective way to get rid of the problem is by using electric collar. The correction needed is most often mild and no voice command in connection with the correction from the collar should be used.Othervice the dog is associatiing the correction with the presence of the owner. Erik Wilsson > From: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" 13-OCT-1996 08:29:22.73 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Re:dog problems Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL69CKWFM8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:29:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL699ERN48Y6HJA@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:29:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from ppp-16.it.ki.se by ki.se with SMTP id AA11625 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:14:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:14:56 +0100 From: Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se (Marianne de Loes) Subject: Re:dog problems X-Sender: mardel@mbox.ki.se (Unverified) To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAL69CMIB88Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610131414.AA11625@ki.se> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To the persons who answered the questions about my dogs Thank you so much for answering. Yes, I believe I am fighting instinct, but I was hoping there might be some new theories or findings on deficiency of minerals etc. So, I suppose I will have to continue to try with training... Yes, we have Eukanuba in Sweden, but I have not tried it sofar.Concerning dog food I have made an interesting observation. The Labrador had typical and very disturbing symptoms of nose mites, which disappeared completely after substituting the fabricated dog food with home-maid food. I have repeated the test three times, with the same result. Are there any studies on the contenance of mite in dog food? Marianne de Loes From: IN%"mike@m-tay.demon.co.uk" "Mike Taylor" 13-OCT-1996 08:59:18.44 To: IN%"Wilsson@aol.com" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL7ANY1LE8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:59:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL7A6VNJK8WWNCD@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:59:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id ab27443; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:25 -0300 (BST) Received: from m-tay.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.23]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20340; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:22 -0300 (BST) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:45:19 +0100 From: Mike Taylor Subject: Re: Coprophagic dogs In-reply-to: <961012113409_208765716@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Wilsson@aol.com Cc: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAL7ANYKW48Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Wilsson@aol.com" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 <8CRpnYBhCGNUbpSIVXkuoeRVkd> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In message <961012113409_208765716@emout08.mail.aol.com>, Wilsson@aol.com writes >The most effective way to get rid of the problem is by using electric collar. Dont you think this might just be a bit overkill? >The correction needed is most often mild I trust you have tried this on yourself and can attest to the MILDNESS and never mind all the recent discussion there has been here regarding the use and misuse of this device. Ooops did I get the term wrong? I knew it was something phagic! -- Mike Taylor From: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" 13-OCT-1996 09:04:52.10 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: dog problems Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL7HJV4QQ8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:04:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL7HGLS748Y6LSZ@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:04:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from ppp-9.it.ki.se by ki.se with SMTP id AA02231 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:05:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:05:34 +0100 From: Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se (Marianne de Loes) Subject: Re: dog problems X-Sender: mardel@mbox.ki.se (Unverified) To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAL7HJVO108Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610131505.AA02231@ki.se> X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Again to the persons answering about my dogs, I meant to also mention something about the other advices, concerning the little dog. Thank you, Mike, I will try the camomille tea bags. And thank you, Irene, yes I have checked already with a vet, he was the one suggesting a food allergy. But I find your comments about pruritus and atopy very interesting. As a matter fact, the little dog is licking and nibbling her legs when we get indoors. (She also does it after greeting me in the morning, though.) And she does rub her face and has "tears" which would be a sign of a light conjunctivitis, I suppose. So I shall now start by serving her the same food as before she went on a diet, she will get noodles/rice and meat, home-cooked, and I will see if it gets any worse. If it is an atopy due to inhaled allergens, the crude Swedish winter would make it disappear momentarily, I gather. Concerning a balanced food, I wonder if a dog, which is not on ready-made food does get a very balanced food, unless you supplement with vitamins? Is rice, noodles and meat a balanced nourishment for originally scavengers. (The little one does eat a lot of grass now). And what about antioxidants for dogs? And one last thing about sufficient fibres. Irene, you say that is important, and then Eukanuba was suggested by Mike, as it produces smaller less smelly stools. But if you get smaller stools, you also have administered less fibres, I would think? At least that is the way it functions in human. The intestinal system being shorter in dogs, does that affect the necessity or the utility of fibres? Several civilization diseases in human are supposed to be connected with fibre deficiency, such as colon cancer.=20 Finally, I suppose I never introduced myself, the letter doing so was one asking about permission to stay with your network for a while and was sent only to Joseph Stookey. Here is a cut-out: ------ Thank you for the message and welcome letter. I think I have landed in the wrong forum. I am a researcher, yes, but unfortunately, (I do mean that, were I to restart life I would become an ethologist) not in your field. I am in the field of sports injury epidemiology. My Ph D thesis was on estimation of risks of sustaining sports injuries, calculating the time-at-risk. So, that is very far. How did I land here? Well, yesterday I tried through Yahoo to find a discussion group about dogs. I got so frustrated by the difficulty, living on an island on the Swedish west-coast, to find answers to some questions about the nourishment of my dogs.=20 ------ I should add, that I am not a physician, but initially a sports teacher. Your network was the only answer in Yahoo to the search for 'dog discussion groups'! And this was a very nice start. Marianne Marianne de Lo=EBs Dr med.sc. Karolinska Institute Dept of Public Health Sciences Division of Social Medicine S-172 83 Sundbyberg Sweden Phone +46 8 629 0500 Fax + 46 8 989 367 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=20 From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 13-OCT-1996 10:01:05.26 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: e-mail Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL9G8RWQA8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 10:00:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from goofy.iafrica.com by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAL9G3S4WG8Y6TMT@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 10:00:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from 196-7-192-79.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0vCSxx-000CDnC; Sun, 13 Oct 96 18:00 GMT+0200 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:02:13 +0000 (GMT) From: k9acad@iafrica.com Subject: Re: e-mail To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAL9G8SZB88Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <199610131414.AA11625@ki.se> > To the persons who answered the questions about my dogs > > Thank you so much for answering. Yes, I believe I am fighting instinct, but > I was hoping there might be some new theories or findings on deficiency of > minerals etc. So, I suppose I will have to continue to try with training... Does anyone know Marianne's e-mail address in Sweeden? Thanks GLYNNE ANDERSON k9acad@iafrica.com From: IN%"mplonsky@uwsp.edu" "Plonsky, Mark" 13-OCT-1996 12:04:43.54 To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "'Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se'" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" Subj: RE: dog problems Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IALDRD8QQQ8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:04:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from ems1.uwsp.edu by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IALDRAI5CW8Y6EIQ@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:04:21 -0600 (CST) Received: by ems1.uwsp.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BBB904.DFC814A0@ems1.uwsp.edu>; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:48:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:48:44 -0500 From: "Plonsky, Mark" Subject: RE: dog problems To: "'Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se'" Cc: "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IALDRDA2YS8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se" "'Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se'" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >From: Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se[SMTP:Marianne.de.Loes@socmed.ki.se] >Sent: Sunday, October 13, 1996 10:05 AM >To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca >Subject: Re: dog problems > >Your network was the only answer in Yahoo to the search for 'dog discussion >groups'! And this was a very nice start. > If you are interested in dog discussion groups, there are many that deal specifically with this issue. See for example, http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/dogs-faq/top.html lists usenet groups related to dogs. http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/dogs-faq/email-lists /faq.html is a complete list of all dog related email lists. http://www.ntn-survivor.com/ranger/IH/lists.html is not as comprehensive but is in a nicer format. Lastly, personally I am interested in dog training and maintain a site dealing with this issue at: http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dog/dog.htm Take care, >----- Mark Plonsky, Ph.D. 715-346-3961 wk ----- >----- Psychology Dept. 715-346-2778 fx ----- >----- University of Wisconsin 715-344-0023 hm ----- >----- Stevens Point, WI 54481 mplonsky@uwsp.edu ----- ----- http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/mphome.htm ----- From: IN%"marithe@mandic.com.br" "maria thereza" 13-OCT-1996 18:33:05.28 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Re:Coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IALRBYPD2A8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:32:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from merlim.mandic.com.br by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IALRBMOEN48Y6P1S@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:32:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME by merlim.mandic.com.br (8.6.12/SMI-SVR4) id WAA27755; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:32:34 -0300 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:32:34 -0300 From: maria thereza Subject: Re:Coprophagic dogs X-Sender: marithe@pop-gw.mandic.com.br To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IALRBYPWD08Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610140132.WAA27755@merlim.mandic.com.br> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:09:26 >To: Wilsson@aol.com >From: maria thereza >Subject: Re:Coprophagic dogs > >At 11:34 12/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >>In a message dated 96-10-11 21:06:59 EDT, >>applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca writes: >> >> >> >>Marianne >>Coprophagia is a common problem in Labrador retrievers. I cant see any other >>explanation than Labradors are more orally oriented than dogs from other >>breeds. According my own experience from the Swedish dog Training Center >>(Hundskolan i Solleftea) it is mainly formed as a bad habit. Correcting the >>dogs by voice may give som results if the dog is obedient. However, in most >>cases it will only lead to that the dog is coprophagic when out of sight. >>Feaces from dogs fed highly digestible diet seems to be less attractive. >>Therefor, if the dog is eating its own feaces one possible solution would be >>to feed it high energy food (Royal canin ST-35 or another comercial dog food >>designed for hard working dogs) >>The most effective way to get rid of the problem is by using electric collar. >>The correction needed is most often mild and no voice command in connection >>with the correction from the collar should be used.Othervice the dog is >>associatiing the correction with the presence of the owner. >> >> Erik Wilsson >>> >> It is not possible that the dog has any deficience of somethig in its diet ? Or more , > these breed have ? > maria thereza cera galvao do amaral maria.thereza@mandic.com.br marithe@mandic.com.br ( POP ) maria.thereza@odonto.com.br Sao Paulo - Brasil From: IN%"faure@tours.tours.inra.fr" 14-OCT-1996 00:56:11.44 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Phone numbers Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAM4PTDKVM8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:56:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from tours.inra.fr (tours.inra.fr) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAM4PQ3YPC8Y6KV6@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:55:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from sra007 (sra007 [192.93.81.108]) by tours.tours.inra.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06377 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:00:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:00:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: faure@tours.tours.inra.fr (Faure J.M) Subject: Phone numbers X-Sender: faure@tours.inra.fr To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAM4PTFGEC8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <199610140700.JAA06377@tours.tours.inra.fr> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear all, We are changing phone numbers in France. For me and all my collegues in Nouzilly you have, starting on october the 18th, to dial a 2 before the old phone number. Best regards Jean J.M. FAURE INRA Station de Recherches Avicoles Centre de Recherches de Tours/Nouzilly 37380 NOUZILLY Tel : 33 (0)2 47 42 78 28 Telecopie/Fax : 33 (0)2 47 42 77 78 From: IN%"schilder@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl" 14-OCT-1996 05:05:46.09 To: IN%"mike@m-tay.demon.co.uk" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAMDFF5MEQ8Y6WNG@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 05:05:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay.cc.ruu.nl (relay.cc.ruu.nl) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAMDF9XJKW8Y6T3C@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 05:05:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by relay.cc.ruu.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28012; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:04:19 +0200 Received: from neuretp.biol.ruu.nl(131.211.50.151) by relay via smap (V1.3) id sma027996; Mon Oct 14 13:03:52 1996 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:12:09 +0100 From: schilder@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl Subject: Re: Coprophagic dogs To: mike@m-tay.demon.co.uk Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAMDFF65PG8Y6WNG@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <961014.131209.8636@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl> X-VMS-To: IN%"mike@m-tay.demon.co.uk" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:45:19 +0100 >From: Mike Taylor >Subject: Re: Coprophagic dogs >To: Wilsson@aol.com >Cc: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca > >In message <961012113409_208765716@emout08.mail.aol.com>, >Wilsson@aol.com writes >>The most effective way to get rid of the problem is by using electric collar. > >Dont you think this might just be a bit overkill? > >>The correction needed is most often mild > >I trust you have tried this on yourself and can attest to the MILDNESS >and never mind all the recent discussion there has been here regarding >the use and misuse of this device. > >Ooops did I get the term wrong? I knew it was something phagic! > >-- >Mike Taylor Dear Mike, do not make the mistake to compare your sensitive skin with the coat of a dog. This is not a valid argument in the discussion on the use of the electric collare, As I have stated in an earlier contribution ot the discussion, dogs do not react at all to low intensity shocks (1-4 on a scale of 1-15) The term overkill may be justified, but not if no other method has worked! Regards, dr Matthijs Schilder Utrecht University, Utrecht, The Netherlands From: IN%"CROWELL-DAVIS.S@calc.vet.uga.edu" "Sharon Crowell-Davis" 14-OCT-1996 07:51:16.38 To: IN%"schilder@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: Coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAMJ7EMBOY8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:51:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from dns1.uga.edu (dns1.uga.edu) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAMJ7ART748Y6VO3@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:50:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from calc.vet.uga.edu (calc.vet.uga.edu [128.192.20.80]) by dns1.uga.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20258; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:50:38 -0400 Received: from CALC_SERVER/TEMPQ by calc.vet.uga.edu (Mercury 1.21); Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from TEMPQ by CALC_SERVER (Mercury 1.21); Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:50:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: Sharon Crowell-Davis Subject: Re: Coprophagic dogs To: schilder@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl Cc: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAMJ7EN4MS8Y6ABA@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <8395FF512DA@calc.vet.uga.edu> Organization: College of Vet. Med X-VMS-To: IN%"schilder@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Dr. Schilder Exactly what do you mean by react? Do you mean does not twitch, jump or scream? or something else? I have tested shock collars on my own palm. At the lower levels I did not twitch, jump or cry out, or otherwise engage in overt behaviors that an observer could have recorded but I definately felt pain. I would not automatically assume that an absence of overt behavioral change when a stimulus is administered means the dog does not feel pain. A correctly fitted collar directly contacts the dog's skin, not its hair coat. I am unaware of any data that indicates objectively that humans are more "sensitive" than dogs, e.g. have more nerve endings for pain in their skin than does a dog and/or have a greater proportion of their CNS devoted to the sensation of pain. Is there any such data? Sharon Crowell-Davis > > >In message <961012113409_208765716@emout08.mail.aol.com>, > >Wilsson@aol.com writes > >>The most effective way to get rid of the problem is by using electric collar. > > > >Dont you think this might just be a bit overkill? > > > >>The correction needed is most often mild > > > >I trust you have tried this on yourself and can attest to the MILDNESS > >and never mind all the recent discussion there has been here regarding > >the use and misuse of this device. > > > >Ooops did I get the term wrong? I knew it was something phagic! > > > >-- > >Mike Taylor > > > Dear Mike, > > do not make the mistake to compare your sensitive skin with the coat of a dog. > This is not a valid argument in the discussion on the use of the electric > collare, As I have stated in an earlier contribution ot the discussion, dogs do > not react at all to low intensity shocks (1-4 on a scale of 1-15) > The term overkill may be justified, but not if no other method has worked! > > Regards, > dr Matthijs Schilder > Utrecht University, > Utrecht, The Netherlands > ********************************************** Sharon L. Crowell-Davis DVM, PhD Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Behaviorists College of Veterinary Medicine University of Georgia Athens, Georgia 30602 706-542-8343 FAX 706-542-0051 Email crowell-davis.s@calc.vet.uga.edu From: IN%"k9acad@iafrica.com" 14-OCT-1996 10:48:18.79 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Reply coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAMPE2YQKI8Y6XUE@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:48:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from goofy.iafrica.com by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAMPDLH4O08Y6YT7@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:48:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from 196-7-192-75.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0vCqAq-000AtJC; Mon, 14 Oct 96 18:47 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:49:05 +0000 (GMT) From: k9acad@iafrica.com Subject: Re: Reply coprophagic dogs To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca (applied-ethology) Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IAMPE2ZT5G8Y6XUE@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <961014.131209.8636@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl> > >>The most effective way to get rid of the problem is by using electric > collar. > The term overkill may be justified, but not if no other method has worked! > dr Matthijs Schilder > Utrecht University, > Utrecht, The Netherlands How do you know no other method works? And does the 'offence' justify the punishment? I really don't want to dredge up the electric collar saga all over again but I believe the glib advice given, by e-mail to use a shock collar inorder to stop coprophagia, is not only dangerous but quite frankly belongs in the dark ages! Instead of recommending old fashioned training methods and/or harsh deterrents for the symptom - has anyone thought of trying to find the root cause? I think that route would be much kinder, safer and more likely to solve the problem. GLYNNE ANDERSON k9acad@iafrica.com From: IN%"Heeler@aol.com" 14-OCT-1996 18:10:06.72 To: IN%"applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Coprophagic dogs Return-path: Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com) by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IAN4U12CZ48Y6WF0@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:10:04 -0600 (CST) Received: by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA23807 for applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:10:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:10:00 -0400 From: Heeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Coprophagic dogs To: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Message-id: <961014200959_333807716@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you can't stand it, scoop it up before the dog can get it. Otherwise turn your back. Dogs love all kinds of disgusting things that usually don't do them any harm. Cheers, Margie From: IN%"tenderly@ltk.unizh.ch" "Matthias Duerschlag" 15-OCT-1996 03:31:38.28 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Urgent ! e-mail adress Helen van de Weerd Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IANOFYPFLE8Y6MXU@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 03:31:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from rzusuntk.unizh.ch by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IANOFTHMEO8Y74C2@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 03:31:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from btb3d8.bio.uni-bayreuth.de by rzusuntk.unizh.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1.9) id AA09698; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:31:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:31:06 +0200 From: Matthias Duerschlag Subject: Urgent ! e-mail adress Helen van de Weerd X-Sender: tenderly@rzu-mailhost.unizh.ch (Unverified) To: applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IANOFYPYVO8Y6MXU@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: <9610150931.AA09698@rzusuntk.unizh.ch> X-VMS-To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear all, Desperately seeking for the e-mail adress of Helen van de Weerd, Utrecht University. Can anybody help me? Thanks a lot. Matthias ___________________________________________________________________ Matthias Duerschlag Department of Animal-Physiology University of Bayreuth / NW 1 95440 Bayreuth / FRGermany phone: x49-921-55.24.04 Fax: x49-921-55.27.94 Email: tenderly@ltk.unizh.ch ___________________________________________________________________ From: IN%"F.Toates@open.ac.uk" "F.Toates (Fred Toates)" 15-OCT-1996 07:17:58.06 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: search for Scandanavian e-mail Return-path: Received: from sask.usask.ca by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IANWCJJB9U8Y739S@sask.usask.ca> for applied-ethology-xpnd@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:17:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by sask.usask.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #15020) id <01IANWCCLCF48Y7904@sask.usask.ca> for Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:17:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from macmailgate.open.ac.uk by venus.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP) id <08959-0@venus.open.ac.uk>; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:07:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:06:04 +0000 From: "F.Toates (Fred Toates)" Subject: search for Scandanavian e-mail To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Errors-to: applied-ethology-error@sask.usask.ca Resent-message-id: <01IANWCJKX508Y739S@sask.usask.ca> Message-id: X-VMS-To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear All, Would anyone know the e-mail of either Karl-Erik Andersson, Lund University Hospital, Sweden, or Gorm Wagner, Department of Medical Physiology, Panum Institute, University of Copenhagen. Many thanks, Fred