From: IN%"reddragn@bossig.com" "Julie Alexander" 31-AUG-2002 19:19:32.94 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: aggression Jennifer, this is forwarded by permission of the author, Kayce Cover. She has worked with many exotics as well as domestic animals. Contact information at the end. She has a training list that has had frequent discussion of dog aggression due to fear, dominance, same sex, small/large animal, territorial etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bridgeandtarget/ I have also been gathering information on aggression, overexcitement and/or anxiety and brain chemistry. We are testing on our own dogs a lower protein, higher carbohydrate diet. It is making significant changes in the behavior of some dogs. Types of exercise or play, frequency and duration also make a difference in excitability levels. From the applied ethology site, i found some references. For one dog in particular, using 5 HTP trypotophan changes him from easily wire up to much more mellow without sluggishness. A high protein diet shoots his energy up the wall. In general, raising serotonin levels decreases aggression. If you would like, I can forward the posts I have written, they include sources and references. Julie Alexander From: "Kayce cover" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 8:38 am Subject: managing emotions - cycles and perception modification ADVERTISEMENT Hi Sophie, Here is one of the key ingredients to teaching the elephants to get along. I wrote it for a dog owner, but if you substitute elephant for dog, it is the same process. This is a process for animals who each are under the control of a trainer. I realize that your zoo's situation is different. I do not know how the process can be adapted for your specific circumstances, but it is very effective, and I have used it extensively with exotics. If the elephants can be separated by a door, I could see opening and closing the door (to allow view/access to the other elephant) as being a way to approach this. Anyway, here is a tool for working on elephant aggression. More about working animals in groups will follow. ********** Hi Judy, There is a method for changing the way an animal looks at an emotionally challenging event, called "perception modification". It works for any event that needs a new outlook, and can be used to change any emotional response, whether - fear, anger, aggression, territoriality. Of course, this is a whole process and I will not do it justice here, but in a nutshell: Condition both animals to relax on cue. Put each with a separate handler. Start with the aggressor sitting, without the other dog in sight. While he is calm and "good" start a chain of intermediate bridging. (See my manual "Introduction to Bridge and Target Training" for specific instructions. The intermediate bridge is an extremely useful training tool.) As long as the dog is sitting calmly, he earns the intermediate bridges. Periodically end a sequence in a terminal bridge, and once in awhile, reinforce him with food. I use scratching and praise more frequently than the food.) The second dog goes through the same process. Now, you can start bringing them together - in a series of progressive cycles, punctuated by rests. The rests are critical - they assist the dog to diffuse his tension and return to relaxation. The steps must start very small - so small that there is no discernible change in the reaction of the sitting dog. These steps will approximately double with each cycle, with occasional easy steps thrown in. So, the first cycle, have aggressor sitting, being praised for being relaxed, and the second dog, also being praised for being relaxed, walks by the open door. The aggressor is praised for remaining calm while the other dog passed, and then allowed to rest. Second cycle, aggressor sits, other dog stops a moment at the door, then continues by. Aggressor intermediate bridged, terminally bridged and fed/praised for no discernible change in his reaction. Third cycle, other dog faces door. Fourth cycle, other dog makes one step into door, one step out, away, rest for both dogs. Fifth cycle, two steps in door, two steps out, rest. etc. Always remove the second dog before letting the aggressor off lead and out of training mode. This process looks so boring, if done correctly, you may think the animals are not seeing one another, or that there is no longer a problem. This is not the case. They are working hard at coping with their emotions, which is a VERY important skill. After no more than ten cycles, end the session and let both dogs rest. At all times, both dogs are praised for remaining in relaxed states, and IGNORING one another. Eventually, you will see both dogs looking away from the other, in order to resist temptation to react. This is an important breakthrough. The instant either dog shows tension, I say "no" and suspend intermediate bridging and the walking dog recedes. A rest is allowed and we try again at a lesser step, building up again. Thoroughness in breaking down the "intrusion" into elements (who the animal is, how close it comes, speed, type of motion, whether there is a second distraction - all should be introduced one at a time) is critical for success. If the dog fails twice in a row, see what you can do to simplify your presentation (e.g., walk more slowly, more predictably, close a second door, etc.). Then try again. By this process, we trained the seals and sea lions at the National Zoo to interact safely with the public, to allow blood collection, to allow one another to work at the same time. I have seen countless other animals learn similar skills. My dogs went from fearing water to opting to take 40 minute swims. All my animals are safe together, play together and have no tension. I have many different kinds of animals, some of which are natural prey to others. Some good news, it does not seem to matter if you understand what caused the aggression, what kind of aggression it is, etc. This process is useful for teaching animals to manage all types of emotion. If you want more details, I can direct you to additional information. Good luck. Kayce Cover Syn Alia Training Systems http://www.synalia.com From: IN%"paulm@vetsci.usyd.edu.au" "Paul McGreevy" 31-AUG-2002 21:16:09.07 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"cretter@rettmark.com" Subj: Introducing kids to pets Dear All At the risk of being accused of shameless self-promotion, I thought you might be interested in a book germane to this topic that was launched yesterday. Handle With Care explains how animals talk to each other, and how children and grown-ups can safely meet and make friends with all kinds of domestic species, from the smallest pets to the biggest farm animals. It is endorsed by both the Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA - Australia) and Kidsafe - the Child Accident Prevention Foundation of Australia. Here are the details: Handle with Care - Making Friends with Animals Paul McGreevy Illustrated by Tom Jellett ISBN 1 875 684 76 X It is hoped that this book will be available in your part of the world very shortly. All the best Paul Paul McGreevy, BVSc, PhD, MRCVS Senior Lecturer Faculty of Veterinary Science Room 206, Gunn Building (B19) Regimental Crescent University of Sydney NSW 2006 Australia Phone: 61 2 9351 2810 Fax: 61 2 9351 3957 email: paulm@vetsci.usyd.edu.au http://www.vetsci.usyd.edu.au/about/staff/pmcgreevy.shtml http://www.library.usyd.edu.au/VEIN/links/behaviour.html ____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail is private and confidential and intended only to be read by the person to whom it is addressed If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This e-mail is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. From: IN%"skelligs@neuroetologia.net" 1-SEP-2002 10:19:55.13 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: question!!!! Hi everyone!!! Are there any tips for introducing a puppy in to a home where i have an adult napolitan mastiff which happens to be very territorial, i'm afraid he might hurt the puppy thanks a lot!! aoife Ortega O'Sullivan From: IN%"margory@dnai.com" "margory cohen" 1-SEP-2002 13:14:16.65 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: aggressive dogs Jennifer Renner, Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 3:12 PM > > I am a PhD student of animal learning and behavior and study numerical > competence in pigeons. Despite this training, I have a rather > embarassing problem with one of my own pets. He's a 2 1/2 year old German > Spitz (also known as American Eskimo in the US) that I acquired as a part > of an adoption just over a year ago. // I've tried positive reinforcement, a shock coller and even just > leaving the room, ignoring his behavior, however, nothing seems to have > worked. Is anyone aware of any literature or training techniques that I > might attempt to apply in order to curb his aggression? Is there a chance > he might "grow out of it," or should I be concerned about the problem > becoming worse? margory cohen replied: Ms. Renner, without delay, I suggest that you check the list of trainers thru the International Association of Canine Professionals, www.dogpro.org and I think Mary Mazzeri is near you. Without passing Go, collectin' $200, call her and make an appointment to work in person with an experienced trainer in this situation. The problem is already "worse." I see American Eskimo dogs all the time, off-lead, completely reliable around mine -- who are large hounds, so my opinions on sound and stable are tested constantly. No reason for your dog to act like this beyond perhaps some confusion about what is appropriate and when. The variety of "method" and "technique" he's been exposed to no doubt have confused. In-person lessons, consistent follow-thru between lessons -- I hope you are close to Mary Mazzeri and if not, and you can't find another name that list close=by, please feel free to contact me privately and I probably can find someone for you. Ignoring behaviour and e-collar work without a proper foundation will not fix this relationship, I think. And working from a book or long-distance -- nope to that as well. You need in-person, hands-on experience. -margory cohen Scottish Deerhounds San Francisco From: IN%"paulm@vetsci.usyd.edu.au" "Paul McGreevy" 1-SEP-2002 20:33:52.25 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: IN%"cretter@rettmark.com" Subj: Fwd: Re: Introducing kids to pets >From: "Retter Marketing" >To: >Cc: "Paul McGreevy" >Subject: Re: Introducing kids to pets >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:58:51 +1000 >X-Priority: 3 > >I am just following up on Paul McGreevy's "shameless self promotion" >for his timely book Handle with Care, on how children can safely >interact with animals. > >I hoped it may be helpful to give you a contact if anyone wants to >obtain a copy/copies. They can contact the publisher direct at >halstead@halsteadpress.com.au >and will supply credit card purchase and mailing information. > >regards, >Catharine Retter, for Halstead Press From: IN%"Nina.Keil@fat.admin.ch" 2-SEP-2002 02:59:45.74 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: job request Dear All, below I am forwarding a message that I received today from Marion who recently worked for us as trainee. She did a very good job here. It would be great if you could help her. In case, please contact her directly (Purzel.MR@gmx.net). Regards Nina --------------------------------------------------------------- Nina Keil Swiss Federal Veterinary Office Centre for proper housing of ruminants and pigs CH-8356 Taenikon - Switzerland SMTP: Nina.Keil@fat.admin.ch X.400: G=Nina;S=Keil;O=fat;A=admin;C=ch FAX: ++41 52 365 11 90 Phone: ++41 52 368 33 76 or 31 31 From: IN%"Beat.Wechsler@fat.admin.ch" "Beat Wechsler" 2-SEP-2002 09:39:47.05 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied Ethology" CC: Subj: Freiburg Conference GERMAN VETERINARY SOCIETY - SECTION OF APPLIED ETHOLOGY, 34th INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS ON APPLIED ETHOLOGY 2002, FREIBURG/GERMANY, 21 - 23 NOVEMBER 2002. Those interested in the programme my have a look at: http://www.dvg.net/PDF/ethol2002.pdf --------------------------------------------------------------- Beat Wechsler Swiss Federal Veterinary Office Centre for proper housing of ruminants and pigs CH-8356 Taenikon - Switzerland SMTP: Beat.Wechsler@fat.admin.ch X.400: G=Beat;S=Wechsler;O=fat;A=admin;C=ch FAX: ++41 52 365 11 90 Phone: ++41 52 368 31 31 From: IN%"Shetts@aol.com" 2-SEP-2002 18:30:12.64 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: introducing pets to kids In a message dated 8/30/02 11:25:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time, msuthers@vt.edu writes: > Hello, I have been asked to put together a talk for the lay public on > introducing pets to new babies. Any ideas/ references out there? > Hi Marie - we do a class on Introducing Your Dog To Your New Baby through St. Anthony Hospital System here in Denver. It's focused on dogs, but we do talk a little bit about cats as well. It's run through the pre-natal program there, and has been fairly successful. Was recently profiled on a local FOX station news show. I will email you privately with the curriculum we use. Best, Suzanne From: IN%"Shetts@aol.com" 2-SEP-2002 18:37:45.52 To: IN%"jcrenner@psych.purdue.edu", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: aggressive dogs In a message dated 8/31/02 4:14:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jcrenner@psych.purdue.edu writes: > I am a PhD student of animal learning and behavior and study numerical > competence in pigeons Despite this training, I have a rather > embarassing problem with one of my own pets. He's a 2 1/2 year old German > Spitz (also known as American Eskimo in the US) > Dr. Andrew Luescher, a certified veterinary behaviorist right there at Purdue would be a good place to start. If you cannot get an appointment with him, we would be happy to schedule a telephone consultation with you, if you can send us some videotape of your dog. This is not ideal, as it would be better if you could work with someone in person, but if this isn't possible, that might be your fallback position. A certified applied animal behaviorist, Dr. Melissa Shyan is in Indianpolis at Butler University. - don't know if that would be an option for you as well. For a list of other CAAB's visit the Animal Behavior Society's website at www.animalbehavior.org Best of luck Suzanne Hetts, Ph.D. CAAB www.animalbehaviorassociates.com From: IN%"kc@synalia.com" "kcover" 3-SEP-2002 00:24:28.24 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: introduction Hi all, My name is Kayce Cover. I am a career exotic and domestic animal trainer and manager. I just finished a master's of science (in education) and am getting ready to start a phd (in curriculum development). My BS is in animal science. I am between programs and am giving seminars this fall (training trainers). My ethology interests include training for optimal adaptation to captive conditions, management of emotions, communication, and cognition. I have worked with many species, currently with horses, monkeys, dogs and CRABS which appear to be highly trainable!! (I am having a lot of fun with them. I am teaching them to jump into my net - going very well so far, but next I want them to learn to hold still for staging their molt. Their default behavior is to pinch the heckaroonies out of my fingers.) My web cv, a list of publications, and a few articles reside at http://www.synalia.com my newly renovated website. I am glad to be here to learn from and with this group. Best, Kayce From: IN%"JLGhmn8532@aol.com" 3-SEP-2002 06:28:16.26 To: IN%"orion1432@juno.com", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: dog and dangerous dog regulations I too agree that some traits are innate, but I know really 'nice' dogs and they can be just as unpredictable. The overwhelmimg majority of behavior influence is environment and it comes from their handlers and everyday interaction. I'm not attempting to group you with a DVM I once worked for who was completely brainless, but you are going down the same road. The DVM pretended to be a behaviorist. He was more concerned with laboratories/dog shows than with the real world and 'hands-on' training. Say it isn't so! From: IN%"mappleby@hsus.org" "Michael Appleby" 3-SEP-2002 07:33:09.32 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: Introducing kids to pets Dear All This thread reminds of a thought I've had for some time. When our second child was born, our first child accepted his arrival very equably, with none of the jealousy that I'd heard of in many other families. My impression was that this was facilitated by the fact that we had cats. So the first child was used to having other small, living creatures around the house and often occupying his parents' attention. For example, often my wife would have a cat on her lap, and be stroking it, and he was affectionate to the cat too. If a child is living only with the parents, it's not surprising if they find it difficult when there is suddenly another young creature around, taking up their hitherto-devoted parents' time. This would be very easy to consider in a survey. Question 1: how did your first child react to the arrival of your second? Question 2: do you have a pet? Or has someone done this already? Mike Michael C. Appleby (Dr) Vice-President Farm Animals and Sustainable Agriculture The Humane Society of the United States 2100 L Street, NW Washington, DC 20037, USA Switchboard 1 202 452 1100 Direct 1 301 258 3111 Fax 1 301 258 3081 Email mappleby@hsus.org -----Original Message----- From: Paul McGreevy [mailto:paulm@vetsci.usyd.edu.au] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:17 PM To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Cc: cretter@rettmark.com Subject: Introducing kids to pets Dear All At the risk of being accused of shameless self-promotion, I thought you might be interested in a book germane to this topic that was launched yesterday. Handle With Care explains how animals talk to each other, and how children and grown-ups can safely meet and make friends with all kinds of domestic species, from the smallest pets to the biggest farm animals. It is endorsed by both the Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA - Australia) and Kidsafe - the Child Accident Prevention Foundation of Australia. Here are the details: Handle with Care - Making Friends with Animals Paul McGreevy Illustrated by Tom Jellett ISBN 1 875 684 76 X It is hoped that this book will be available in your part of the world very shortly. All the best Paul Paul McGreevy, BVSc, PhD, MRCVS Senior Lecturer Faculty of Veterinary Science Room 206, Gunn Building (B19) Regimental Crescent University of Sydney NSW 2006 Australia Phone: 61 2 9351 2810 Fax: 61 2 9351 3957 email: paulm@vetsci.usyd.edu.au http://www.vetsci.usyd.edu.au/about/staff/pmcgreevy.shtml http://www.library.usyd.edu.au/VEIN/links/behaviour.html ____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail is private and confidential and intended only to be read by the person to whom it is addressed If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This e-mail is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. From: IN%"jcrenner@psych.purdue.edu" "Jennifer C. Renner" 3-SEP-2002 12:27:33.15 To: IN%"Shetts@aol.com" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: aggressive dogs Thank you very much for your reply and the resources that you've offered. You and many others have recommended that I contact Dr. Andrew Luescher here at Purdue. Let me say that I am pleased to be informed of such local resources. I will be contacting his department as soon as possible. Others such as Margory Cohen and Julie Alexander, have also suggested avenues for training that I will also try. I am also particularly interested in the lower protein, higher carbohydrate diet that has been brought to my attention. It seems, not surprisingly, that a combined strategy that integrates all of the advice you and others have conveyed to me will be the most effective. Let me extend thanks to you and all of the others who've been so helpful in this matter. Sincerely, Jennifer Renner From: IN%"EKathyMeyer@comcast.net" "Kathy Meyer" 3-SEP-2002 19:27:54.85 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: dog and dangerous dog regulations I am disappointed to see "flaming" posts of little scholarly or practical merit on this listserv. It has, up to this point, provided very informative and thought provoking exchanges. To refer to anyone as "brainless" (as a fellow veterinarian I am quite offended) often says more about the person making the statement than the person whom it is purported to describe. E. Kathryn Meyer, VMD ----- Original Message ----- From: JLGhmn8532@aol.com To: orion1432@juno.com ; Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Re: dog and dangerous dog regulations I too agree that some traits are innate, but I know really 'nice' dogs and they can be just as unpredictable. The overwhelmimg majority of behavior influence is environment and it comes from their handlers and everyday interaction. I'm not attempting to group you with a DVM I once worked for who was completely brainless, but you are going down the same road. The DVM pretended to be a behaviorist. He was more concerned with laboratories/dog shows than with the real world and 'hands-on' training. Say it isn't so! From: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "Anna Olsson" 9-SEP-2002 11:41:09.79 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca", IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" CC: Subj: bald patches in mice Dear lab mice experts and others, Reasonably often, mice with bald patches are observed in our animal facility. Calling myself a researcher of animal behaviour and welfare, I'm of course the one being asked for the background of this, and have to admit my ignorance. Does any of you know of, or have even performed, any scientific studies of this phenomenon? It seems to me to be something different than barbering, because the 'bald' mice usually have intact whiskers. I would guess the bald patches appear after excessive self-grooming, but that is only speculation. Best wishes Anna Anna Olsson MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto, Portugal Phone +351-22 607 4900 Fax +351-22 609 9157 From: IN%"csermely@biol.unipr.it" "Davide Csermely" 9-SEP-2002 11:54:55.26 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: bald patches in mice At 17:59 09-09-02 +0100, Anna Olsson wrote: >Dear lab mice experts and others, > >Reasonably often, mice with bald patches are observed in our animal >facility. Calling myself a researcher of animal behaviour and welfare, I'm >of course the one being asked for the background of this, and have to >admit my ignorance. Does any of you know of, or have even performed, any >scientific studies of this phenomenon? It seems to me to be something >different than barbering, because the 'bald' mice usually have intact >whiskers. I would guess the bald patches appear after excessive >self-grooming, but that is only speculation. > >Best wishes >Anna > > >Anna Olsson >MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) > >Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) >Rua Campo Alegre 823 >4150-180 Porto, Portugal >Phone +351-22 607 4900 >Fax +351-22 609 9157 Dear Anna, (Almost) always the bald patches recorded among the mice of my Dept. animal facility were due to mycosis and were also contagious between cage mates. Best regards, Davide ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dip. di Biologia Evolutiva e Funzionale Tel.: +39-0521 90 5632 Universita` di Parma Fax: +39-0521 90 5657 Parco Area delle Scienze 11A 43100 Parma Italy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: IN%"coria75@neuroetologia.net" 9-SEP-2002 21:57:02.99 To: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "Anna Olsson", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca", IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" CC: Subj: RE: bald patches in mice I agree! The most common problems are mycosis, is easy to see the animal's = improvement after several applications of iodine, at the bold spots.=20 We place them in quarantine, it might take a bit more than two weeks for th= em to become healty. Genaro Coria, MVZ M en C Laboratorio de Fisiolog=EDa Instituto de Neuroetolog=EDa Universidad Veracruzana A.P. 566 C.P. 91000 phone/Fax 52 2288 125748 http://www.neuroetologia.net --- Anna Olsson wrote: >Dear lab mice experts and others, > >Reasonably often, mice with bald patches are observed in our animal=20 >facility. Calling myself a researcher of animal behaviour and welfare, I'm= =20 >of course the one being asked for the background of this, and have to admi= t=20 >my ignorance. Does any of you know of, or have even performed, any=20 >scientific studies of this phenomenon? It seems to me to be something=20 >different than barbering, because the 'bald' mice usually have intact=20 >whiskers. I would guess the bald patches appear after excessive=20 >self-grooming, but that is only speculation. > >Best wishes >Anna > > >Anna Olsson >MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) > >Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) >Rua Campo Alegre 823 >4150-180 Porto, Portugal >Phone +351-22 607 4900 >Fax +351-22 609 9157 From: IN%"rattitude@angelfire.com" 10-SEP-2002 02:52:41.98 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: bald patches in mice Also consider excessive allogrooming or 'barbering'. Emily Patterson-Kane >From: Genaro Coria >Reply-To: coria75@neuroetologia.net >To: Anna Olsson , "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca" >, JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu >Subject: Re: bald patches in mice >Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I agree! The most common problems are mycosis, is easy to see the animal's >improvement after several applications of iodine, at the bold spots. >We place them in quarantine, it might take a bit more than two weeks for >them to become healty. > >Genaro Coria, MVZ M en C >Laboratorio de Fisiología >Instituto de Neuroetología >Universidad Veracruzana >A.P. 566 C.P. 91000 >phone/Fax 52 2288 125748 >http://www.neuroetologia.net > > >--- Anna Olsson wrote: > >Dear lab mice experts and others, > > > >Reasonably often, mice with bald patches are observed in our animal > >facility. Calling myself a researcher of animal behaviour and welfare, >I'm > >of course the one being asked for the background of this, and have to >admit > >my ignorance. Does any of you know of, or have even performed, any > >scientific studies of this phenomenon? It seems to me to be something > >different than barbering, because the 'bald' mice usually have intact > >whiskers. I would guess the bald patches appear after excessive > >self-grooming, but that is only speculation. > > > >Best wishes > >Anna > > > > > >Anna Olsson > >MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) > > > >Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) > >Rua Campo Alegre 823 > >4150-180 Porto, Portugal > >Phone +351-22 607 4900 > >Fax +351-22 609 9157 Dr E. G. Patterson-Kane Scottish Agricultural College Edinburgh _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: IN%"rattitude@angelfire.com" 10-SEP-2002 07:37:48.10 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: rat shelters Sorry Alison, I read the reply before your message where you eliminated barbering. On another rodent question. Is anyone aware of a source of rat nest boxes suitable for use in laboratory now that Shepherd shack have discontued their product. It must be disposable or sterilisable and large enough for groups of rats. Thanks. Emily P-K _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: IN%"salaun@st-gilles.rennes.inra.fr" "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marie-Christine_Sala=FCn?=" 10-SEP-2002 08:17:24.99 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "appliedethology" CC: Subj: Dear all, Does anyone have informations or experience measuring paradoxical sleep (or REM sleep) in pigs ? A colleague working in heat production measured in pigs, maintained in a respiration chamber, found a peak in heat production during the night without motor activity performed by the animal. One hypothesis to explain this peak should be the signal of the paradoxical sleep, but this peak diseappears when the animal is fasted. So he's interessed to have information about the methods to record this cerebral activity and if the nutritional state can modify the REM sleep. Thanks a lot for your reply M.C. Meunier-Salaün INRA-UMRVP Saint-Gilles From: IN%"elywolf@purdue.edu" "elywolf" 10-SEP-2002 12:58:00.01 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "ISAE" CC: Subj: Poultry Mortality Hi, I am trying to find mortality figures for broilers within in the first few weeks after hatch, and have not been successful thus far. Does anyone have suggestions? Thank you. Mark From: IN%"rsilva@cpap.embrapa.br" "Roberto Aguilar M. S. Silva" 11-SEP-2002 05:31:08.43 To: IN%"info@smallfarm.org", IN%"graze-l@taranaki.ac.nz" CC: Subj: Organic Production Dear Friends , The 1st Virtual Global Conference on Organic Beef Cattle Production , has as the main objective the interchange of informations and the integration of research centers recognized by theirs experiences in the area. In addition to that, it has the objective to promote the development of the international scientific community in the area of Sustainable development and food organic production. 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Silva EMBRAPA-Agricultural Research Center for the Pantanal Rua 21 de Setembro, 1880 CEP:79320-900 Phone::+55 67 233-2430 - Fax:+55 67 233-1011=20 Corumba, MS, Brazil Site of Global Virtual Conference on Organic Beef Cattle Production: (Site da Confer=EAncia Virtual Global sobre Produ=E7=E3o Org=E2nica de=20 Bovinos de Corte) http://www.conferencia.uncnet.br/pantanal/organica.en.html From: IN%"chris.sherwin@bristol.ac.uk" "Chris Sherwin" 11-SEP-2002 07:48:51.75 To: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "Anna Olsson" CC: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology-sask.usask.ca", IN%"JPGarner@UCDavis.Edu" Subj: RE: bald patches in mice Hi Anna, I too sometimes see bald patches on my mice. I have only seen this on one mouse per cage, which suggests it is unlikely to be a contagious disease. In addition, their whiskers are intact, suggesting it is not barbering. The bald patches can spread over the animal's body until it is almost entirely bald, but sometimes the fur grows back, apparently normal. It seems to me that these mice are often the smallest in the cage (although that observation might simply be due to their appearance after losing their fur), possibly indicating some social hierarchy involvement and/or a heightened response to the stresses of laboratory cage life....just ideas! Hope this helps, Chris ............................................................. Dr C.M. Sherwin UFAW Research Fellow (Animal Behaviour and Welfare) Centre for Behavioural Biology, Department of Clinical Veterinary Science, University of Bristol, Langford House, Langford, BS40 5DU, U.K. Tel: [44] (0)117 928 9486 Fax: [44] (0)117 928 9582 email: Chris.Sherwin@bristol.ac.uk On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:59:08 +0100 Anna Olsson wrote: > Dear lab mice experts and others, > > Reasonably often, mice with bald patches are observed in our animal > facility. Calling myself a researcher of animal behaviour and welfare, I'm > of course the one being asked for the background of this, and have to admit > my ignorance. Does any of you know of, or have even performed, any > scientific studies of this phenomenon? It seems to me to be something > different than barbering, because the 'bald' mice usually have intact > whiskers. I would guess the bald patches appear after excessive > self-grooming, but that is only speculation. > > Best wishes > Anna > > > Anna Olsson > MSc (animal science) PhD (ethology) > > Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology (IBMC) > Rua Campo Alegre 823 > 4150-180 Porto, Portugal > Phone +351-22 607 4900 > Fax +351-22 609 9157 > > > From: IN%"haleyderek@hotmail.com" "Derek Haley" 11-SEP-2002 14:30:17.58 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: ISAE Canada Home Page Dear All, Happy to announce the Canadian Regional ISAE Home Page is now on-line! http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/isaecanada/ (I have also created a link to the website from the Applied Ethology site, which is also maintained here at the University of Saskatchewan: http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/) 1) Please add us to your hyperlinks if you happen to have a related web site. 2) Feel free to send me your comments, questions or suggestions for changes or improvements to the website. 3) If you are a Canadian ISAE member and want your own personal or professional home page to be linked with the CDN ISAE page, send me your URL. 4) If you are grammatically fluent in French and English and would be kindly willing to volunteer your time and help translate the text for les pages en francais please contact me! Regards, Derek Haley ISAE Regional Secretary - Canada Western College of Veterinary Medicine University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, SK - S7N 5B4 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: IN%"haussman@uni-hohenheim.de" "Hans Haussmann" 12-SEP-2002 08:05:00.46 To: IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: activity of horses Hi, are there any instruments for automatic recording of the movements of horses on paddocks? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Regards ___________________ Prof. Dr. Hans Haußmann (Haussmann) ,--¬_ Institut für Tierhaltung und Tierzüchtung ,;;,_ ____/ /|/ Universität Hohenheim ;; ( )___, ) ' Deutschland / Germany ,' // V\__ Briefadresse: _ / \ / \ Institut 470, Uni Hohenheim, 70593 Stuttgart ¬ ¬ ' Tel. Büro 0711/459-3011(-3006), Fax -4239 ___________________ Tel. priv. 07022/95 95 86, Fax 95 95 87 www.uni-hohenheim.de/aw From: IN%"dbailey@montana.edu" "Bailey, Derek" 12-SEP-2002 08:12:09.45 To: IN%"haussman@uni-hohenheim.de" "'Hans Haussmann'", IN%"Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" "'Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca'" CC: Subj: RE: activity of horses Lotek Engineering in Newmarket, Ontario has GPS tracking collars (GPS = 2200) that could be readily adapted for tracking horses. They are accurate = within a few meters and can record positions as often as every 5 minutes, = every 10 minutes, ... , every 4 hours. Their web site is http://www.lotek.com. = We use these collars for tracking cattle. Good luck! Derek W. Bailey Northern Agricultural Research Center Montana State University Star Route 36 Box 43 Havre, MT 59501 (406) 265-6115 voice (406) 265-8288 fax e-mail: dbailey@montana.edu -----Original Message----- From: Hans Haussmann [mailto:haussman@uni-hohenheim.de] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:04 AM To: Applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca Subject: activity of horses Hi, are there any instruments for automatic recording of the movements of horses on paddocks? --=20 Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen / Regards ___________________ Prof. Dr. Hans Hau=DFmann (Haussmann) ,--=AC_ Institut f=FCr Tierhaltung und Tierz=FCchtung ,;;,_ ____/ /|/ Universit=E4t Hohenheim ;; ( )___, ) ' Deutschland / Germany ,' // V\__ Briefadresse: _ / \ / \ Institut 470, Uni Hohenheim, 70593 Stuttgart =AC =AC ' Tel. B=FCro 0711/459-3011(-3006), Fax -4239 ___________________ Tel. priv. 07022/95 95 86, Fax 95 95 87 www.uni-hohenheim.de/aw