From: IN%"skelligsvet@hotmail.com" "Aoife Ortega O'Sullivan" 4-SEP-2005 19:06:59.42 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: aggression question!!! HI!!! I was wondering if you could help by giving me a definition of asertive when you use it to explain aggression in dogs, because a lot of autors use it "cannine aggresion is an assertive behavior" Thanks a lot for you time!!! Aoife _________________________________________________________________ Acepta el reto MSN Premium: Correos más divertidos con fotos y textos increíbles en MSN Premium. Descárgalo y pruébalo 2 meses gratis. http://join.msn.com?XAPID=1697&DI=1055&HL=Footer_mailsenviados_correosmasdivertidos From: IN%"ceannicrc@yahoo.com" "Cecilia Lambert" 4-SEP-2005 20:08:12.54 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: Fwd: Re: aggression question!!! --Boundary_(ID_pn+AkWxRRnwQPp8njsY7cQ) Content-id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. CeAnn Lambert Indiana Coyote Rescue Center www.coyoterescue.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_pn+AkWxRRnwQPp8njsY7cQ) Content-type: message/rfc822 Received: from [4.224.201.232] by web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cecilia Lambert Subject: Re: aggression question!!! In-reply-to: To: Aoife Ortega O'Sullivan MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-length: 653 Wouldn't those be two different behaviors? Just as in humans, being aggressive and being assertive are different and get different results. I can be assertive with a coyote without getting agression from the coyote, but just let me get even a little bit aggressive and I have a real problem, I will just get an aggressive coyote. CeAnn --- Aoife Ortega O'Sullivan wrote: > HI!!! > I was wondering if you could help by giving me a > definition of asertive when > you use it to explain aggression in dogs, because a > lot of autors use it > "cannine aggresion is an assertive behavior" > Thanks a lot for you time!!! > Aoife > > _________________________________________________________________ > Acepta el reto MSN Premium: Correos más divertidos > con fotos y textos > increíbles en MSN Premium. Descárgalo y pruébalo 2 > meses gratis. > http://join.msn.com?XAPID=1697&DI=1055&HL=Footer_mailsenviados_correosmasdivertidos > > CeAnn Lambert Indiana Coyote Rescue Center www.coyoterescue.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_pn+AkWxRRnwQPp8njsY7cQ)-- From: IN%"Michalchik@aol.com" 4-SEP-2005 22:09:48.94 To: IN%"ceannicrc@yahoo.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: RE: aggression question!!! --Boundary_(ID_Bz49SK8ijHUUP3k/SXbGCg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/4/2005 7:09:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ceannicrc@yahoo.com writes: Wouldn't those be two different behaviors? Just as in humans, being aggressive and being assertive are different and get different results. I can be assertive with a coyote without getting agression from the coyote, but just let me get even a little bit aggressive and I have a real problem, I will just get an aggressive coyote. CeAnn CXan you give concrete examples of the difference? --Boundary_(ID_Bz49SK8ijHUUP3k/SXbGCg) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
In a message dated 9/4/2005 7:09:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ceannicrc@yahoo.com writes:
Wouldn't those be two different behaviors?  Just as in
humans, being aggressive and being assertive are
different and get different results.
I can be assertive with a coyote without getting
agression from the coyote, but just let me get even a
little bit aggressive and I have a real problem, I
will just get an aggressive coyote.
CeAnn
CXan you give concrete examples of the difference?
 --Boundary_(ID_Bz49SK8ijHUUP3k/SXbGCg)-- From: IN%"CieraCanineServices@shaw.ca" "Christina Le Breton" 4-SEP-2005 22:44:18.10 To: IN%"Michalchik@aol.com" CC: IN%"ceannicrc@yahoo.com", IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: aggression question!!! An assertive dog and an aggressive dog ARE different, however a dog could be assertive and aggressive @ the same time. An assertive dog is one who doesnt take crap (figurely speaking). For example, a bitch who is NOT in heat when a male tries to mate with her, she will snap and growl @ this dog to tell him to back off. Or a dog that shoves other dogs/people out of the way while play, when walking etc. An aggressive dog has certain triggers. When this dog comes across these triggers they will lash out with growls, teeth, bites, etc. (i.e. Dog hates Children, Children are its trigger, dog bites child). Hope this helps Christina ----- Original Message ----- From: Michalchik@aol.com Date: Sunday, September 4, 2005 10:09 pm Subject: Re: aggression question!!! > > In a message dated 9/4/2005 7:09:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ceannicrc@yahoo.com writes: > > Wouldn't those be two different behaviors? Just as in > humans, being aggressive and being assertive are > different and get different results. > I can be assertive with a coyote without getting > agression from the coyote, but just let me get even a > little bit aggressive and I have a real problem, I > will just get an aggressive coyote. > CeAnn > > > > CXan you give concrete examples of the difference? > From: IN%"ceannicrc@yahoo.com" "Cecilia Lambert" 4-SEP-2005 22:53:55.37 To: IN%"Michalchik@aol.com" CC: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" Subj: RE: aggression question!!! I can assert dominace by lightly touching the ingunal area and sometmes going ahead and pushing that area until the coyote rolls onto it's back and then I stand over. I think of that as being assertive. If I tried to do the same thing in a more aggressive manner, such as trying to forcefully roll the coyote onto it's back in a more aggressive manner and attitude on my part, the coyote would become aggressive towards me. Aggression just brings on more aggression, so that the aggressive behavior escalates. Does that make sense? I'm not real good at putting things into words. I never do anything that the coyote could interpret as an aggressive action or reaction from their point of view. CeAnn --- Michalchik@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/4/2005 7:09:54 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > ceannicrc@yahoo.com writes: > > Wouldn't those be two different behaviors? Just as > in > humans, being aggressive and being assertive are > different and get different results. > I can be assertive with a coyote without getting > agression from the coyote, but just let me get even > a > little bit aggressive and I have a real problem, I > will just get an aggressive coyote. > CeAnn > > > > CXan you give concrete examples of the difference? > CeAnn Lambert Indiana Coyote Rescue Center www.coyoterescue.org ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From: IN%"olsson@ibmc.up.pt" "Anna Olsson" 13-SEP-2005 03:06:22.36 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: small-size cameras Dear all, I would appreciate if anybody could direct me to a European vendor of small-size video cameras (for use with a separate recorder) with good optics and IR sensitivity, maybe somebody that you have bought from yourself. I'm unable to track down anything else than the "old-fashioned" CCT-cameras the size of half a shoebox from local vendors. Regards, Anna Olsson Dr Anna Olsson Researcher Animal Behaviour and Welfare - Bioethics Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology - IBMC Rua Campo Alegre 823 4150-180 Porto Phone +351 22 607 4900 Fax +351 22 6099157 From: IN%"g.nijs@clo.fgov.be" "Griet Nijs" 13-SEP-2005 05:28:39.15 To: IN%"applied-ethology@sask.usask.ca" CC: Subj: digital video recording Dear all, After a couple of unsuccessful trials with different systems, we're still looking for a reliable and stable system to record behaviour in a digital format so that it can be used within Observer Video Pro 5.0 (Noldus Information Technology). I wondered if anyone has some experience on the matter and would be so kind to share it with us. The system we are interested in, should be able to record images of at least 4 cameras simultaneously (e.g. record behaviour in 4 different pens at the same time). It would be preferred if images of each camera could be stored in separate files, so that the recordings can be analyzed per camera. We should be able to program the cameras separately for continuous recording (min 25 frames/sec) as well as recording in intervals, if possible. The format in which the files are stored should (of course) be compatible with the Observer Video Pro 5.0. Suggestions on which systems are used, storage capacities and possibilities as well as possible setups are more than welcome! Griet Nijs Ministry of the Flemish Community Agricultural reseach centre (CLO) Department of Mechanics, Labour, Buildings, Animal Welfare and Environmental Protection Burg. van Gansberghelaan 115 9820 Merelbeke Belgium tel: +32 (0) 9 272 27 60 e-mail: g.nijs@clo.fgov.be